Oh. My. God.

[Rawra]

Did you guys hear about that woman who stomped a kitten in its eye to death?
She just stepped with her heel on the poor baby cat's eye! On purpose! I was like :wtf: ! I heard about it from HemiJeep19 on Youtube. I didn't have the guts to watch the video itself though (she even TAPED the execution of the kitten!!!). It already haunts me, and seeing it won't do any better.

I'd personally take the woman and do the same thing she did to the kitty. Stomp her to death. I may be a little radical, but I'm an animal freak! It's f*cking preposterous! How could you kill a creature so damn cold blooded!!!

What's your opinion?

[jooxis]

Do you mean that Chinese woman from some years ago?

Yes I know it (I didn't watch any of the videos). It's a type of pornography called "crush porn" as some people get aroused by watching a woman crush small animals (puppies, kittens, rodents) with her heels.

Uhm, it's absolutely sick of course. I think that all people who actively contribute to such kinds of animal cruelty should be punished and locked up.

[Rawra]

No, it was a Japanese one this time. OMG, aroused by... OK, this'll give me nightmares for the rest of my life!

[dutch]

Owww. Just reading your description of "crush porn" gives me goosebumps all over.

I can't debate well on this topic I guess, because I'll be absolutely one-sided and absolutely against such monstrous monstrosity.

[Rawra]

Anyone should be. Any mind-healthy individual should be against... "crush porn"!!!

[el_flel]

^ Tbh I think this will end up being a one-sided debate anyway, because I can't really see anybody arguing that it's ok to kill a kitten for sexual arousal!

I've heard of some odd paraphilias, but not this one. Do they kill the animal, or is it already dead? Because if the animal was dead already due to natural causes or something, and not killed just for this purpose, then that's different. Still ... gross and weird, but not as bad as the former.

[jooxis]

I've heard of some odd paraphilias, but not this one. Do they kill the animal, or is it already dead? Because if the animal was dead already due to natural causes or something, and not killed just for this purpose, then that's different. Still ... gross and weird, but not as bad as the former.

Unfortunately, the animal is very much alive when being crushed. From what I've read it is often being held and cuddled beforehand by the same person who would then go on and kill it. I've accidentally stumbled upon some screencap thumbnails and it is much worse than you could even imagine. I'd never sleep again if I were to view a whole video.

I think this kind of stuff is illegal everywhere, so there's no real "crush porn industry"- I think it's just been a few cases worldwide that I've read about.

[TopNotch]

That's just sick.

Why would anyone get turned on by someone killing another life form just by crushing it? That's just gross and disturbing. If anyone gets aroused by that, something is severely messed up in their head and they need help.

That's just terrible, and just ew.
It's one thing to be just a messed up person who murders, but it's another thing to get turned on by that. Ew.

[unalisaa]

That's just sick.

Why would anyone get turned on by someone killing another life form just by crushing it? That's just gross and disturbing. If anyone gets aroused by that, something is severely messed up in their head and they need help.

That's just terrible, and just ew.
It's one thing to be just a messed up person who murders, but it's another thing to get turned on by that. Ew.

I don't know. I assume it's some sort of helplessness/control thing going on, which is basically just an extension of "mainstream" powerplay and corruption of innocence. It's one thing to find the porn morally reprehensible -- I agree. Live-action crushing porn, that is the kind with real animals, is ethically wrong. Just as actual, real life crushing is wrong. Animals are unable to consent, and even if they could consent, it's still not very ethical to go killing someone for a fetish.
But I don't think it's fair to go labelling other people's kinks and fetishes as sick or to paint those who hold them as somehow bad human beings. No one can help whatever fetish they happen to be stuck with, and being turned on by something doesn't necessarily mean acting on it or even wanting to act on it.

Sometimes, when a kid runs past me on the street, I feel like shoving it out of my way. I've never done so, though. Am I a horrible child-shover now?
I also regularly feel a sudden urge to knock down store displays. Fear me, mall employees, for I have an Appetite for Destruction.
Or is that different because those aren't acts I consider sexual in nature?

Anyone should be. Any mind-healthy individual should be against... "crush porn"!!!
Sure, as long as we differentiate between the live-action and the simulated kind.

[el_flel]

Thanks jooxis :) Normally I would just google the answer but I was a bit concerned as to what that search might turn up!

And I agree with unalisaa that it's probably a (more extreme) form of dominance over something. I'm too scared to google this, but it seems that it's something which seems to occur primarily in Eastern Asia. Now, there are forms of pornography, such as hentai, in Japan that centre around rape fantasies. Purely from my personal observations, sexual fantasies and paraphiliars surrounding dominance seem to be more popular in Eastern Asian countries than Western countries.

[geallach]

I wouldn't say that sexual fantasies involving dominance are more popular in East Asia, just that more of them are produced there. Hentai is very, very popular in the West, and yes, many of these do involve rape and torture. One could argue that someone could not help being aroused by "crush porn", but the women (or perhaps men, I don't know) in the videos are certainly reprehensible. Slaughtering anything for sexual pleasure, or because it might give someone else sexual pleasure...well, there is not really a word strong enough. It is sadism carried out to an insane level. From the description TheCreeper gave of that video, I do not think I could stand watching it, not for a second. And to think of actually doing it...Why? What on earth would make you do this?

Are these videos seriously on Youtube as we speak?! Then again, that is not really surprising. I have heard of some disgusting "happy slap" videos posted on Youtube, so why would they care about animals, when they don't care about people?

[el_flel]

I wouldn't say that sexual fantasies involving dominance are more popular in East Asia, just that more of them are produced there. Aye you could be right, I guess my line of thinking was that people produce things due to demand, so a place with a higher production rates are doing it because that area has higher demand for it. I could be totally wrong, and probably am!

[TheGuySim]

Oh. My. Mother. Fucking. God

I watched (some) of the video.... I mean I could NOT watch any more!!! How can some get freaking aroused by that!!?? That has got to be the most disgusting videos I ever watched. I mean I though I was watching the wrong video because at the start she is only cuddling it, then she starts putting pressure on it using her heels!!

[geallach]

Aye you could be right, I guess my line of thinking was that people produce things due to demand, so a place with a higher production rates are doing it because that area has higher demand for it. I could be totally wrong, and probably am!

Perhaps, but the supply may also be -at least in part- in response to international demand. You could very well be right, however.

When you think about the graphic nature of these videos, as well as the amount of suffering within them on a real-live being, it does make you wonder at the mentality that would find this arousing. While someone may not be able to control this arousal, that does not mean that this kind of arousal is okay. But then that might lead into all kinds of questions about what 'is' okay to be aroused by. I don't know. I just find the whole thing a bit scary. A life is, after all, being lost for pleasure.

[crocobaura]

Eww. That's sick. In China they eat dogs for dinner, and they beat the dog for a few hours before they actually kill it and cook it. And I read an article a few years ago that they just throw away unwanted kids because of that one kid per family law they have, and nobody asks any questions. Anyway, people shouldn't be watching that kind of nasty videos.

[vhanster]

And the Asians eat monkeys' brains! They smash their skull while they're still alive and eat their damn brain!!! Or at least, so I've heard.

They DO NOT! Well, at least very few Asians I know does that anyway...

As for smashing cats on its eye to death... maybe cats are considered pests there and the people are trying to eradicate it...

I don't really know the reason this violence is done- and I'm not saying I approve it. I just don't want this debate to be too one-sided (which, if so, could not be called a debate at all)

[Rawra]

No, there are restaurants where people eat such things :here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5237462334704426156#
I didn't watch the clip, my stomach is not so healthy anyways, but to give an example. If you have a strong stomach...

[unalisaa]

Creeper, do you have more evidence to your claims? It's difficult to debate based on "so I heard"; no one's going to go "oh, hey, I approve of inhumane killing of animals!"

[Rawra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat
Whew, those photos are going to be stuck in my head forever!

[pinketamine]

Well, I guess in some countries they see dogs as we see pigs in other cultures. Not that I agree with it, but really... a cat and a rabbit are not THAT different.

About this crush porn thing... I find it totally disgusting. Plus I have always thought that ending a life just for pleasure is just plain wrong and sick.

[el_flel]

There are plenty of countries whose residents eat animals that other countries' residents don't. Just because it's not the norm where you (general "you") live doesn't mean it's weird or wrong, it's just not what you're used to.

[whiterider]

We keep chickens in tiny cages in which they can't even stretch their wings. Their feet don't touch the ground because there are several chickens crammed into one cage; as such they often injure each other by accident. Then we eat their eggs. I'm not saying that abusing any animal is ok - it's not - and I, too, find the practise of eating dogs and cats quite repulsive because of the way I view those animals (and of course mistreating or killing any animal for "fun" is utterly foul). However, the attitude of "OMG look at what they do to animals in these fucked up foreign countries" is, well, justified, but only if you append "...and so do we".

[dutch]

Croco, I've heard that only in Vietnam, or in certain parts of China. I mean, not in Beijing or other big cities. It's still sick.

And the Asians eat monkeys' brains! They smash their skull while they're still alive and eat their damn brain!!! Or at least, so I've heard.
I'm a Vietnamese and yes, they do eat dog meat in Vietnam. However, it's not a "new thing" like this whole "crush porn" deal, but rather a long-standing cultural tradition dated way back who knows when. It's a little bit like how the trends of eating chicken, or beef, or fish, started somewhere in the past. However, I guess not everyone accepts this because dogs have grown understood to be "man's best friend", it's a preconceived idea thing. I'm not saying eating dog meat, or monkeys brains, is sick or otherwise, I'm just saying it could be looked at in a more balanced light.

[vhanster]

No, there are restaurants where people eat such things.
I didn't watch the clip, my stomach is not so healthy anyways, but to give an example. If you have a strong stomach...

Though I don't eat such things, I might point out that just because some animals/parts of animals aren't usually eaten by most people, doesn't mean no-one else should.

[Tempscire]

Though I don't eat such things, I might point out that just because some animals/parts of animals aren't usually eaten by most people, doesn't mean no-one else should.
In the case of that video (the 1970sish-seeming documentary, heh) I think the objection was more to "still-alive monkey being eaten" rather than "eew monkey brain."

[Miko09]

"Crush porn" is really disgusting, but if that's really the only thing someone can get aroused by, I would hope that they would find alternatives other than hurting innocent animals. What about stuffed animals with the squeak thingamabob in it? Add a fake blood packet and let your dirty pervert mind go wild. You should be able to let your sexual "groove" flow as long as you are not physically harming another living thing. Once it crosses that line, it's no longer safe nor sane.

edit: scratch that. even fantasizing about squashing animals while squashing a stuffed one filled with realistic blood is a little out there

[pinketamine]

"Crush porn" is really disgusting, but if that's really the only thing someone can get aroused by, I would hope that they would find alternatives other than hurting innocent animals. What about stuffed animals with the squeak thingamabob in it? Add a fake blood packet and let your dirty pervert mind go wild. You should be able to let your sexual "groove" flow as long as you are not physically harming another living thing. Once it crosses that line, it's no longer safe nor sane.


There are people that "need" to know that the hurt is real to get aroused. In my opinion, those people suffer some kind of mental disorder... or are psychopaths (which is a mental disorder anyway), I'm not really sure about it.

[xJOFLx]

Wow. Just.. I don't know. I read this thread and thought it would be rude to leave without commenting for some reason. I'm South Korean, and yes they do eat dog meat there. Not everyone, mind. In my mind the typical person would be a slightly ignorant middle-aged man. It's supposed to be beneficial for your health or something. I very strongly disagree, and I don't even eat duck, which many 'Western' people seem to find less offensive to eat, but I'm not sure about beating and stuff. Maybe in some extremely unethical places, but then again, you find that with any animal's meat in any country. Oh, and they don't use dogs like pet dogs, either, I think they are 'farmed' somewhat like other animals like chickens or cows, etc. Still, I'm much too scared to even google this, but I have learnt something today! Something very horrific in my opinion, but still something learned.

[yadarya]

All I can say is... Wow. I didn't watch the video or look at the pictures. There are some things in this world that I would rather remain blissfully unaware of. This will disturb me for days.

When I hear of such perversities (I don't just mean sexual) it makes me wonder how much of mans' evolution is really a devolution. The intelligence that we hold as our claim to superiority on this planet has some really fudged up consequences.

I believe that there is a higher value in innocence (whether animal or child) than "intelligence." This kind of thing only reaffirms my feelings, and destroys what little faith I have in mankind. Referring to another recent post, and after reading this one, if I were to consider saving "the drowning man or the drowning dog," today, I would save the dog... :(

[SuicidiaParasidia]

there is just so much wrong with this that i dont know where to start....


so lets just go with psychoanalysis! :D

killing a pet (cat, dog, pig) isnt just an animal cruelty concern, but one of the first steps most often observed in those who later commit human murder.
of course there are all sorts of bells and whistles attached to the scenario, like feeling remorse or not, and why someone might find observing such acts as pleasurable (power play, sadism, it goes on and on).

lets just hope for the sake of the people around these twisted nutjobs that they arent also pyromaniacs or bed wetters.

[ElementMK]

I believe that there is a higher value in innocence (whether animal or child) than "intelligence."This statement doesn't make sense to me. Innocence is ignorance, and the only way to discern what is innocent and what isn't is through knowledge. A child who thinks punching other children is okay doesn't realize there's something wrong with it until their parents or another child tell them otherwise. Not knowing what is right and wrong by society's standards may make someone innocent, but isn't having the knowledge to avoid these sorts of things more important?

[gabrielorie]

I feel so sorry for that kitty :( She should be jailed! (Where's PETA when you need em :rolleyes: )

[yadarya]

This statement doesn't make sense to me. Innocence is ignorance, and the only way to discern what is innocent and what isn't is through knowledge. A child who thinks punching other children is okay doesn't realize there's something wrong with it until their parents or another child tell them otherwise. Not knowing what is right and wrong by society's standards may make someone innocent, but isn't having the knowledge to avoid these sorts of things more important?

I am not referring to knowledge, exactly. Of course knowledge is a good thing.

But my post was merely a gut reaction to the horrors of this topic, and my continued disappointment in human adults. I was sarcastically referring to the intelligence we possess that makes us feel so superior to the rest of the beings on this planet, and yet, WE are the ones that destroy everything around us. A feeling of superiority, and a complexity of mind, that leads a minority of people to take pleasure in such kind of behavior. I find it incredibly disturbing, and I often wonder if we would be better off if people did not have such ease of access to this type of self-gratification.

The "innocence" I was referring to was more an idea of an existence without corruption, and not a state of ignorance. It was an abstract feeling on my part, and perhaps I should been more precise to say babies. Of course you can define innocence as you want, but my feeling behind it when I wrote the post wasn't so literal.

Thank you, Elemental Leaf, for helping me consider my post from a new perspective.

As far as my comment on the saving the dog, in this case, the cat, over the man. I did not respond to the original thread on this matter, because the reality is I could never know how I would respond in that situation. In all honesty, I would probably save neither, because I am not a good swimmer, but who knows. So my comment here was not serious, it was just to emphasize my immediate disgust in humanity upon reading this thread.

[jooxis]

I don't necessarily believe children are somehow superior to adults in terms of morality. Like Element Leaf said, telling right from wrong comes with age. I did lots of naughty stuff as a kid, because it was "fun" and "hilarious" - but I'd never do those things today. I wouldn't slingshot fruit into people's open windows or make prank calls (all that stuff that used to be funny when you were a kid). Because now, as an adult, I am able to realize that it's annoying.

[apv301]

Thank god this isn't about "composting" I have never heard of a sicker fetish in my entire life.. this doesn't even compare...

The question is, how did this get started? I mean the hell... who first thought "I wonder if I'll get turned on if I kill that innocent puppy"...

[Deeney]

Humans suck

[apv301]

Humans suck
It's a shame that I agree, but we really do at times

[dutch]

Humans suck
You've just successfully showed an example of irony. Congratulations.

Humans are a lot of things, and they do suck too, no doubt. But in a debate forum, if you've decided to post, maybe it's better for everyone if you also provide your thoughts on what humans should do to suck less, instead of just trolling.

[apv301]

You've just successfully showed an example of irony. Congratulations.

Humans are a lot of things, and they do suck too, no doubt. But in a debate forum, if you've decided to post, maybe it's better for everyone if you also provide your thoughts on what humans should do to suck less, instead of just trolling.

Irony
The use of words expressing something other than their literally intentions.

I do know see how what they said qualifies as irony.

[dutch]

Well, I meant to say the fact that she posted that seemed ironic.

[Rawra]

Humans suck
Amen. :P

[el_flel]

The question is, how did this get started? I mean the hell... who first thought "I wonder if I'll get turned on if I kill that innocent puppy"...I'm sure that someone didn't just think it up one day out of nowhere. It was probably more of an evolutional process motivated by a need for higher levels of stimulation. Person knows they like power and are turned on by being in control so get into domination; this then progresses into something more hardcore, like S&M; this eventually then turns into crush porn.

If you look at the paths that some murderers go through to get to the stage where they actually kill someone - that also gradually evolves. It starts with hurting and killing small animals and then moves on to larger animals and eventually humans.

I'm not likening crush porn with murder, nor am I saying that all people who like domination will like crush porn.

[jooxis]

Thank god this isn't about "composting" I have never heard of a sicker fetish in my entire life.. this doesn't even compare...


So... what's "composting" then? Google only gives me the one definition we're all familiar with...

[twilightgarden0]

I saw screen shots of something to that effect quite a few years ago. Asian woman, looked like she was on a bridge or highway of some sort. Cuddled a kitten. Then killed it. It was extremely disturbing and I immediately stopped speaking to the person who told me to look at it. I still think about it sometimes. Some people had said that it was fake, but it didn't look fake to me at all. (Keeping in mind, I was not even 16, had no experience with fake imaging, and owned a kitten.) It was really horrific. I literally cried myself to sleep that night.