Amy Winehouse?

[christmas fear]

Surprisingly, nobody has made her for this website yet. First I want to say that I don't want to read any negative comments about her looks or her talent, I think she's really lovely and I'm a big fan. I really would appreciate feedback for this sim of her I'm trying to make. It's almost even like a personal tribute to her. I have some reference pictures I'll attach.
I don't have many other facial sliders besides the ones already in the game, so if there are any you could suggest I'd appreciate it. :)

http://i44.tinypic.com/b61p28.jpg

The eyebrows are probably wrong but for now I'm not too worried. I'm focused on all the other parts of her face. Her nose is rather hard to get right.

http://i44.tinypic.com/wmmpo3.jpg

I'm definitely planning on uploading this time if I can get the sim right. Hair suggestions would be appreciated as well.

http://i41.tinypic.com/1osk21.jpg


update//

I fixed her eyes/nose/eyebrows and her jaw a bit. I made her head a little smaller too.

http://i39.tinypic.com/xoea01.jpg

Please refer to this picture when posting feedback. :)

[heaven]

First off, it would be helpful to have a neutral comparison shot and a sim shot of her side by side to help with the comparison.

From the profile shot, it looks like her jaw needs to come back some. Also, instead of her chin jutting forward, pull that back as well. Also her nose bridge needs to be rotated some to make it curve some. It's too sloped right now. I think it's a good start though.

[christmas fear]

Will do, I changed the sim a bit before you posted but I'll work on the comparison shot and edit this post with it.

[willmurray]

You pick an extremely amazing lady to sim. She is looking good. I think she's an amazing artist and you've done a good job so far.

Some things that I've picked up on are:
~The bottom eye lid needs to come up.
~Her jaw need to be more narrow.
~Make her chin more square.
~Amy's eyes need to be more closed than open.
~Rotate her nose up just a little bit.
~Increase the thickness of her bottom lip.
~The tips of her top lip needs to be more apart than close together.
~She needs a new skin tone, try Ladyfrontbum's (http://www.ladyfrontbum.com/) blog.
~Try adding some freckles, also at Ladyfrontbum's blog.
~Rotate the corners of her lips down.
~Increase the scale of her nostrils a bit.
~Her face seems a bit too long, it may just be the length of her nose.
~Her chin depth needs to be further in than out.
~On the side view her nose needs to buldge out a bit more.
~Also on the side view her chin needs to flat, it's too round.
~Decrease the length of her nose.
~I don't like the hair your using it's distorting the face a bit.
~The nose septum needs to be thinner, you can do this by using #aWT's septum sliders.
~Add a bit more definition to her nose.
~Her cheek bones seem a bit too high.
~Your sim needs new eyebrows, yours aren't working try this (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=367255) one, although you'll probably have to thicken it with this (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=413903) slider.
~Her face needs to be pulled back a bit.

She is lookin very good at the moment, well done. I hope that I have helped you and I can't wait to see your next update.

[christmas fear]

updated profile shot.

http://i42.tinypic.com/34gx7ao.jpg


comparson shot:

http://i44.tinypic.com/68sb6f.jpg


edit/ thank you, willmurray I am going to work on those edits next.

[willmurray]

I can't really say what needs to be changed at the moment, because we don't have that right pics that we need. We need a side shot, frontal shot and a split shot. I've uploaded an attached image file which shows what images we need of her (Please ignore no.3 I duplicated it by accident). Also we need ingame pictures of her, in a room with white walls and floors and loads of ceiling lights. This will help us see what really needs changing.

[willmurray]

Oh ok, I didn't realise that you hadn't seen it. I hope that you see my comment about all the angles we need because it would really help. Thanks!

[christmas fear]

I made most of the changes you suggested, besides the ones I didn't understand too well why they were needed. I made her jaw a tad bit wider, too and lightened her eyes. I'm just gonna keep the hair until I find something better. I changed the eyebrows though too. As for in game pictures I'm holding off for now.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qn2rkw.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2mq7o5s.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/xko9zs.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/25yx0kl.jpg

I really appreciate the help. Thanks again.

[willmurray]

Glad that you've updated, she's looking better. Although we really do need the ingame pictures too.

From what I can see, the things that need to be changed are:
~Add a bit more scale to her nostrils.
~Move her nostrils down a tad.
~Bring her bottom eye lid up.
~Move her inner eye corner down.
~Make her chin and jaw a bit more rounder.
~Her chin needs to be a bit more long.
~Bring her eyes a little bit closer together.
~Make her bottom lip a bit more square.
~Thicken the bottom lip.
~Her head needs to be a bit thinner.
~Bring her eyes down a little bit.
~Rotate her brows.
~The tips of her top lip need to be further apart.
~Her skin tone needs to be a bit more tanned and a bit less pink.
~(Only if you have the slider) her neck seems too long.
~She needs a CC contact, because the iris seem to be too big.

She is looking a bit better, although I think that there is quite alot more to do, no offence ment.

[christmas fear]

Oh, I haven't managed to find the septum slider. Where can I get the neck and septums sliders?

No offense taken, because I agree there's a lot more to be done haha. I'm prepared to do a lot more because I want her to look as close as possible. I've seen countless numbers of her pictures but she's harder to do than I thought.

As for eyes, I need new replacements anyway so are there any you can recommend?

[van Dorn]

Look it up. They are on aWt's site.And the eyes need to be...shorter? Also, the eye replacements I would recommend are these: http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=459942
And go with a green eye, not brown.

[christmas fear]

Thanks, but their blog is protected. I found a neck slider so it will be fine though. I'll edit this post with an update.

[Esmeralda]

Great idea for a sim, it will be a nice tribute to her. As well as what above posters have said, her nose needs quite a bit of work from the side view. To get that 'Roman nose' effect with a curved bridge and a bump on top, you need to play around with the Bridge settings, such as Rotate.

Can we see full front-view pics of both Amy and the sim, instead of (or in addition to) the split pic? It's hard to judge from a split pic, as people's faces are asymmetrical, plus it's confusing to the eye, so it's much more helpful to see both faces in full. She's a good start!

[willmurray]

I would also recommend Shady's Lively eyes, they are very realistic and I think will work very well on your sim. At the moment I think that you should just remove the hair all together so that we could just try and help you work on the facial structure of Amy, because sometimee when the hair is on the sim it may be quite hard to see what needs changing. So just give her the bald hari style. I'm so sorry I told you to use sliders that are no longer available, it was a bit stupid of me. Do you have awesome mod installed? it may help with some of the things that need to be changed. Ladyfrontbum also has some useful sliders and hacks available that may help you too, I'm also glad that you did take my comment to offence. I think that #aWT's blog is only going to be disabled for a short period of time, he may just be trying to fix his download links because I know that he's said he's having trouble with people not being downloaded. Anyway she's making very good progress and I'm looking forward to your next update.

[Rennara]

It would help if you take off the make up so we can see her actual eye shape....even with make up on we should still be able to see her eyelids. Looking really good so far:)

[willmurray]

I'd agree thatyou definatley need to take off her eyeliner, it's distracting and we can't se her correct eye shape. Also you ened to pick another eyeliner alltogether, Amy has a very distinct eyeliner style it needs to have the flicks at the sides. Well done so far!

[christmas fear]

I do have awesomemod. I haven't been able to find the right eyeliner for her unfortunately but I plan to keep looking. I removed her hair and eyeliner. Her eyes looked kinda horrible when I took it off but I fixed them a bit. I still feel like the eyes are wrong. I fixed her mouth and her nose bridge as well. And I used dark green eyes again.
I didn't touch the eyebrows because they're not my top priority right now, they will probably be one of the last fixes.

I really want the sim to do her undeniable beauty justice.

http://i42.tinypic.com/i3v21x.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/x418bl.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/o7v7so.jpg

[Esmeralda]

Can we see her in-game rather than in CAS? Sims look completely different in-game than they do in CAS, and it's only what they look like in-game that matters - there's no need to take CAS pics. Also really need a front view comparison photo as well, but scrolling up and down to your first post to see the front view pics there:

Her head is too narrow - try widening her head and giving her just a touch more cheek fullness. Nostrils are a bit too narrow too. Top lip needs to be a bit more shaped like ^^ than it currently is.

From the profile, the new nose is a big improvement, it just looks like her nostrils need to be a little higher and more flared. Her jaw is jutting too far forward, needs to be moved back a little. Her Face Profile may need to be pulled forward a little. Her eyebrows are a bit too high, she looks permanently surprised. Good progress!

[christmas fear]

Okay, in game pictures require more work for me because I'm still making changes. Every time I edit I'm saving a new sim and not deleting the other ones in case I have to go back or something. When I get further I'll show her in the game but for now this is all I can do. I'll update tomorrow and thank you.

[Esmeralda]

Okay, in game pictures require more work for me because I'm still making changes. Every time I edit I'm saving a new sim and not deleting the other ones in case I have to go back or something.

If you use Twallan's Master Controller (http://www.the-isz.com/nraas/index.php?/topic/2029-the-mastercontroller-phase-five-version-73-updated-2011-dec-02/), you can easily edit the sim while it's in-game. Just click on the sim, choose 'Nraas' from the pie menu, then 'Advanced', then 'Edit sim in CAS'. You'll go into CAS and can make your tweaks, then exit CAS and you're back in-game. Or else if you have Awesomemod, click on the sim, press Ctrl-Shift-C and type 'editsim', for the same result. Really quick and easy - just straight into CAS, straight back into the game, and vice versa. I'd never go back to making sims without one of those mods! Hope that will help you!

The problem with relying on just CAS pics is that the sims do look completely different in-game than they do in CAS - CAS and the game use two different rendering engines (unlike TS2 where they both use the same engine so your sim looks much the same as in CAS), so in-game your sim can look really dramatically unlike what you were expecting when you were working on it in CAS.

[Redhead Creations]

Didn't EA include this option in their "testingcheats" suite as well? If you have testing cheats on, can't you CTRL+SHIFT click on a Sim and choose Edit in CAS? (I swear I've read about that - but since I have Twallen's, I've never needed to use it). This could be handy for those who don't want to download mods.

[Esmeralda]

Didn't EA include this option in their "testingcheats" suite as well? If you have testing cheats on, can't you CTRL+SHIFT click on a Sim and choose Edit in CAS? (I swear I've read about that - but since I have Twallen's, I've never needed to use it). This could be handy for those who don't want to download mods.

Yes, forgot about that, that cheat was very recently added with some patch or expansion (I think it was around 'Generations' time) so you can now do that too if you're patched up to date, but it's useful to mention the mods just in case someone hasn't patched or bought Generations. If you are patched up, you can press Ctrl-Shift-C, type in 'testingcheatsenabled true', then Shift-Click on the sim, then choose 'Edit in CAS'. As I use Master Controller anyway, I find it easier to just use their version.

[omegastarr82]

Love the sim so far, but CAS pics are kinda worthless, the sim will look very different in game. Put all your "detail" values on high and stick her in the game for the next round of pics.

[MzzUnvrz]

For her eyes, try rotating them outwards. Her apex also needs to be in the other direction, as in, to the outer corner of her eye. In RL, her eyes are smaller on the inner corner than the outer corner, and your sim is opposite. You also need to funkify her nostril, though, I'm unsure how to do that. On her profile, they're rather flared (the RL Amy, that is).
Furthermore, the real Amy has a rather large chin. Perhaps you should try increasing the scale then narrowing it, so it matches the profile shot.

[christmas fear]

this project is going to be delayed until i can get y computer working right again. Sorry. :(

[willmurray]

No problem, there's no rush.
I really hope that when you get your computer working again that you'll continue to work on Amy!