Grouchy Vs. Nice

[JDacapo]

Do you ever deliberately make extremely grouchy sims - and I mean grouchy enough to crank call? I started playing around with that option while playing the Beaker household because all three of the initial occupants had no nice points. It was quite an interesting experience because even though they grumbled a lot, all three(including Nervous) turned out to be good parents. Poor Nervous had a rough pregnancy though, and went into aspiration failure twice. And Don Lothario also had a baby(I got him abducted by force to punish him for being a playboy, though he didn't cry afterward, surprisingly enough), Juanita, who has almost no nice points. She made a friend by crank-calling - they seem to have a lot of common interests - and the townie friend she made grew up with her.

With the Curiouses, the first two alien kids have full nice points, and while they love to hug, they don't seem to really want to defend themselves. I do understand that it is rather pointless to fight, and it doesn't make the offending sim go away, it's also pointless to cry after being poked or pranked, and maybe sometimes you do need to have a rumble or two and then talk things over.

Also, I've heard about this 'fight club' mod - with that mod, do fights still hurt relationships? I hope this isn't a silly question... it's just that I would like one where a fight could be friendly - like wrestling. There are some people who will bond over a good rassle.

[Peni Griffin]

I like to have a wide variety of sims, and a lot of my sims aren't ones I've made to a plan anyway - many of my CAS sims have randomized points, and I have a number of townies-turned-playable, premades, and in-game-borns, too. My lowest number of nice points is 0 (Estebanico Casa) and my highest number is 10 (Harris Hawkins and a couple of borns).

Nice sims will fight if sufficiently provoked. Harris has had exactly one fight in his lifetime - and the overweight businessman kicked the pro athlete's butt. It was a matter of his sister's honor, you see. If you want your nice sims to fight, give them Romance relatives! And Kitty Hawkins (8 or 9 nice points) has come to blows with her son-in-law Ezekial (1 nice point); they can't seem to agree on what color the sky is. I think that's a matter of constant chafing in close proximity, and honestly I expect it's as much Kitty's fault as Zeke's - she's a terror to all her in-laws, because she does in fact know everything about how to run a family and if you don't believe me, ask her! Zeke himself is a bit of a trouble magnet, but displays an interesting behavior pattern, in that he only picks fights with two kinds of people - those he has reason to believe have done his friends wrong, and those who compete with him for his wife's attention and affection!

Estebanico, on the other hand, has been in lots of altercations but few all-out battles. The record for that goes to his father Esteban, at 1 nice point. A lot of his opponents are Estebanico's discarded girlfriends who aren't content to sit around waiting for him to come back, but a lot of them are just townies he thinks dissed him in some way.

As for crank calling, that's such a teen-age thing I don't have adults do it even when the option comes up; however, Naomi Gavigan (1 nice point, like Ezekial) regularly crank-called the Wicked Witch in response to her proclivity for showing up at the park to throw hail and bugs at little kids.

Generally speaking, life circumstances have more to do with how combative a sim is than nice points in isolation. I don't think Oliver Onions has ever been in a fight, and he's got the same number of nice points as Ezekial. Ezekial's wife Pigeon only has three nice points, but most of her early socialization was done by pie-sweet Harris, and you seldom see her in a negative interaction; when she does, it is clearly the other sim's fault. She won't push, but she will push back - hard, and definitively. Nobody ever, anywhere, no matter how cranky, has ever tried to pick a fight with Harris, because he's just that sweet.

You certainly can have people make friends after fights. Ashley Pitts-Upsnott got into a fistfight with an old girlfriend who came around, and now she's spontaneously calling him up trying to rekindle stuff. And under Pigeon's watchful eye Zeke and Kitty are working on getting along, and might make friends if she lives long enough and he keeps Pigeon producing grandchildren. All of Castor Nova's old girlfriends are friends with at least one other of them. Romance sims tend to get into fight-and-make-up loops with their long strings of lovers. Ginger Newson attacked Cooper Hawkins in an aspiration-failure rage once, and he basically stood there and took it; they are now happily married and her aspiration problems are a thing of the past because he knows just how to deal with them, IYKWIM&ITYD.

Whether it happens without your encouragement is another matter.

[Clashfan]

I don't have anybody on the full grouchy scale in my game. I think 3 points or perhaps 2 is the lowest any of my playables might have, I do however have several that have 10 points and these would be born in game Sims. I don't have very much fighting in my game certainly not of the spontaneous variety. Mostly there is some pushy shovey that goes on at community lots as there are several of the townies that like to tease. I've seen a bit of spontaneous arguing and one of my playables seems to exhibit bully type of behavior when he shows up at a community lot, although he's pretty good natured on his own. Perhaps ventrilofarting everyone you meet is not exactly being a bully but it's not very nice either.

Since you have to build up some animosity between your Sims to even get the "fight" option I don't see how your fun wrestling would be possible. I think that would fall under the pranking being a plus when they have a high enough relationship. Fighting at any time seems to build animosity and all the fight mod does is give your Sim a body score so the more fights he's in the higher his chance of winning them. You can also use the play option of "punch you punch me" as an alternative for that wrestling match. Grouchy Sims always see to end up punching too hard at some point in that game.

I do wish at times that some of my nice Sims could be a bit more assertive and not just stand there and whimper when some mean townie picks on them.

[lizard49]

I had a Sim who was born in game with 0 nice points. But he came from a loving family, was happy & had lots of friends. The only odd thing about him was, his hair went prematurely gray as soon as he started college!

[Mew1210]

Sometimes I purposely make grouchy Sims, but that's only if I have a certain story planned for them. For example, I have a Sim based off of this Pokemon character (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silver_(game_character)). His character is very mean and likes to push others around. I like it when he picks fights with other Sims---he's acting just like the character I based him off of. :)
Although, I haven't seen any fights in my game for a while. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :lol:

My only Sims that are completely nice are the ones born in-game. My legacy founder's daughter has 10 nice points, while her brothers and sister only have between 1 and 3 points. :/

[mangaroo]

I randomize by star sign rather than individual personality traits when I create Sims. I believe that means the fewest "nice" points one of my CAS-generated Sims will have is 3. However, my game-born Sims do run all the way down to zero nice points. Sometimes I get the feeling that my whole neighborhood is grouchy, based on the number of Sims who take joy in clobbering others while playing catch, but it turns out that the average across all Sims for whom I have data (395 Sims) is 5.2. Average, indeed.

[McChoclatey]

I had two Sims who were both brothers that shared the exact same personality points (they're in-game born). Both had zero nice points, but one of them seemed to be more like a nice sim trapped inside a mean sim's body. He always hated it when I'd make him terrorize his family members, while his brother would be like the exact opposite and be all-too-delighted to serve his bro a knuckle sandwich.

[simsaretheone]

I had Sims that i were using as the cast of a teenage pregnancy show so i had to move my main characters boyfriend's mom and him into the main characters house admittedly after they moved in her my characters mom didn't except a friendly hug and started poking and arguing with my characters boyfriends mom and they cried in every scene it really messed my show up :faceslap:

[Twilight13girly]

I never done tha :anime: t but I might have to try that! 3 i think has been the most for me.

[Saturnfly]

Lately it seems most of my sims are able to crank call, I rarely bother to check what they are lol, I didn't realise it was a result of grouchiness. xD

[JDacapo]

Crank calling might seem kinda juvenile but in this case, Juanita Lothario is playful enough to have the 'childish' trait if this were The Sims 3. Besides that, crank calling just opens up some opportunities for developing relationships during the night, rather than waiting for the other sim to wake up. So far, Juanita's made two friends by crank-calling.

[Yazoo]

I like to have more nice Sims than Grouchy. Because my goodness, they are like...Mean. But I have to admit I do like when you are making your Sim, and you make him or her on the Grouchy side, I like when they punch the teddy bear, and honestly...I don't know why. But if you don't like your Sim being SUPA grouchy, have his or her's parents encourage niceness.

>.> ^.^

But yeah, nice Sims, I like. I mean I suppose I've had Grouchy ones...But my goodness..They were honestly...No fun -.-"

[JDacapo]

Don can't really encourage any niceness in Juanita... she may hafta drink magically spiced sugar for the rest of her life ^^; but she does have the popularity aspiration and fast friendship benefit so she's doing pretty well socially despite her antisocial tendencies like noogieing.

[Aegagropilon]

I've got a lot of Grouchy sims in my Strangetown. Some came with the neighborhood, others were born into it, and some were created by me. I've also got a lot of Nice sims that came in through the same means. Those sims have coexisted (relatively) peacefully, and you can't throw a rock without hitting a Grouchy/Nice pair (and if you do, run). I don't have simparents encourage niceness or grouchiness in any of their children. What they come out as is what they are, though I have been known to let them encourage traits such as neatness/sloppiness or activity in some cases if it "fits" the simkid's behavior better (like with Difficult Subject: her 3 neat points were just getting in her way of joining her dad at the curbside garbage buffet).

I'm a pretty hands-off player, and I've found that some Grouchy sims (in the 0 or 1 nice point range) are surlier than others, and the same goes for Nice sims as well. For example, Stella (Terrano) Gieke --who's a Nice sim! -- has the habit of insulting others, and 10-points-nice Howitzer Grunt can hold a grudge like nobody's business. Alternately, 1-point-nice Scooter Howell and his 0-points-nice werewife Anne-Marie make friends easily and rarely pick fights, and 0-points-nice Siggeir Beaker likes to hug everyone and is a generally peaceful sim. I've also got vicious 1-point-nice Ruby (Valley) Subject, but she does have her soft spots as well... and one of those soft-spots is her 10-points-nice pacifist husband Grimm. Really, it varies. Most of my dedicated fight-pickers have between 3-5 nice points.

Treat them like a "regular" sim -- ie. don't select "annoy," "argue," etc. -- and you may be surprised by how nice your grouches can be :lol:.

(And crank call can be pretty useful. I'm sort of lost without it with my single Nice sims and Nice/Nice pairs.)

[Firelira78]

I generally can't stand grouchy sims. They bring out my sim-torturing instincts with their tantrum throwing dance.

But surprisingly, I really like a few grouchy sims like Consort and Albany Capp. Albany keeps my community lots full of drama. Though, why he needs so many old newspapers, I don't know. :)

I like General Buzz too. There's something funny about a general going "hup-two-three-four" on everybody. The psycho-killer lady Olive Specter intrigues me as well.

[AlexandraSpears]

I like them not too nice, not too grouchy.

Not grouchy enough to pick fights if I'm not watching them (the little sneaks), but not too nice to stand up for themselves. So probably around 3-7 Nice points.

I can't stand to play the Beakers for that one reason. Though one time they had a child with 10 Nice points!

[JDacapo]

I like them not too nice, not too grouchy.

Not grouchy enough to pick fights if I'm not watching them (the little sneaks), but not too nice to stand up for themselves. So probably around 3-7 Nice points.

I can't stand to play the Beakers for that one reason. Though one time they had a child with 10 Nice points!

The Beakers were pretty fun to play actually, and Loki and Circe love each other and their kids. So even though they don't like playing or hugging all that much, it doesn't make for a crippling condition. Loki, with all his grouchiness, is best friends with Nervous, even though Nervous is a surly little slob. And Nervous is a good daddy as well, helping his daughter with homework and stuff, and having wants like for her to be an overachiever, get scholarships, stuff like that. And he's able to have a girlfriend, so really, grouchy doesn't mean unable to function or have friends - it just means the sim in question will have different ways of relating to others and making friends.

Now if I were to make copies of some of my favourite sims in The Sims 3, I think the possible traits I'd give to Nervous would be Insane, Slob, Neurotic, Hot-Headed, Couch Potato... or swap one or more with something like Loner, No Sense of Humor or Shy, or even Nurturing, Family Oriented, Animal Lover or Good. Loki would probably be Insane, possibly Evil and Inappropriate, or even Mean Spirited, and of course 'Clean Freak'. Another possibility would be 'Genius' and 'Daredevil' or 'Brave' while Circe would probably have the 'Coward' trait.

Juanita Lothario would likely be Hot-Headed, Mean-Spirited, Inappropriate, possibly Rebellious and later on 'Childish' what with her love for pranks.

[Yazoo]

I generally can't stand grouchy sims. They bring out my sim-torturing instincts with their tantrum throwing dance.

But surprisingly, I really like a few grouchy sims like Consort and Albany Capp. Albany keeps my community lots full of drama. Though, why he needs so many old newspapers, I don't know. :)

I like General Buzz too. There's something funny about a general going "hup-two-three-four" on everybody. The psycho-killer lady Olive Specter intrigues me as well.

Olive Specter? OLIVE SPECTER?! My goodness, every time that I am in Strangtown, and for some reason Cold Issue Clothing or the Museum. That woman shows up, and there has to be like four or five fights...I am like..REALLY?! REALLY?! And on top of that, she steals a lot of my papers -.-" And so does General Buzz. And this random chick in a black dress, whom, by the way is always primping.

BUT then again, the girl that wears the black dress, was married to one of my Sims. Come to find out, that she has like no points on the grouchy/nice bar. So, she is a b**** >.> Ahem, oh yeah.

I go with nice Sims any day. Grouchy Sims are just...Blech -.-"

[zumppe]

I love grouchy sims. I have the full spectrum of 0-10 nice points in my hoods, but I must say I prefer the grouchy ones, the nice ones are a bit boring. Grouchy is much more entertaining. And, I do have a thing for bad boys/girls... don't care for "the boys/girls next door" much. :P

The stealing of newspapers is really lame though. I mean, my 0-nice-points-head-of-bada$$-criminal-family who looks like he'd eat you for breakfast, stealing people's newspapers? Seriously? Yeah, really cool. NOT. :faceslap: :lol:

[JDacapo]

Olive Specter? OLIVE SPECTER?! My goodness, every time that I am in Strangtown, and for some reason Cold Issue Clothing or the Museum. That woman shows up, and there has to be like four or five fights...I am like..REALLY?! REALLY?! And on top of that, she steals a lot of my papers -.-" And so does General Buzz. And this random chick in a black dress, whom, by the way is always primping.

BUT then again, the girl that wears the black dress, was married to one of my Sims. Come to find out, that she has like no points on the grouchy/nice bar. So, she is a b**** >.> Ahem, oh yeah.

I go with nice Sims any day. Grouchy Sims are just...Blech -.-"

Who wins? Olive or the other person? I have seen a video of I think... Tank Grunt? losing a fight with Olive. That would HAVE to hurt. And once when I was playing the Curious household, for some reason Vidcund was furious at Olive. Does she ever shove people for spying on her?

[Clashfan]

Ok so my very nice plantsim (8 nice points) runs the town produce stand. I'm playing his lot today and one of the townies does the whole "you skeeve me" shudder at my Sim. They have never met before but apparently her turnoff must be plantsims. Anyway he out of the blue goes over and insults her. No other dialog had been exchanged she just walked past and did the skeeve action (no idea what that is actually called) so I'm thinking he was responding to the action. He's the most mild manner guy, I mean come on he's a plant afterall, but he was really after this townie. Unfortunately I didn't want his business to take a dive so I made her leave the lot.

I guess sometimes it has nothing to do with being grouchy when they start arguing.

[maxon]

Do you ever deliberately make extremely grouchy sims - and I mean grouchy enough to crank call?
Yes.

Oh, you want more? I think, like Peni, I want the variety and I also don't want a neighbourhood filled with 'nice' sims. I have some nice sims but un-nice sims are more interesting to me for story-telling purposes.

Also, I've heard about this 'fight club' mod - with that mod, do fights still hurt relationships? I hope this isn't a silly question... it's just that I would like one where a fight could be friendly - like wrestling. There are some people who will bond over a good rassle.
Part of the purpose of the fight club mod is to maintain antagonistic relationships at rock bottom. So, no, I guess it's not nice. It was made by Pescado after all. He's not nice either.

[Macaroodle]

Ok so my very nice plantsim (8 nice points) runs the town produce stand. I'm playing his lot today and one of the townies does the whole "you skeeve me" shudder at my Sim. They have never met before but apparently her turnoff must be plantsims. Anyway he out of the blue goes over and insults her. No other dialog had been exchanged she just walked past and did the skeeve action (no idea what that is actually called) ... PREJUDICE!

Re: the Beakers: They've had a 10-points-nice child in my game too, before! I also have had good luck with Loki and especially Nervous as parents. Circe... not so much (jerk lectured one of her twins for wetting his/her diaper- can't remember which one). She seems to be learning to be more loving, though. Maybe it's easier for her now that they're children and more self-sufficient.

Before I was such a control freak with my sims that I didn't notice how, when on their own, they could go against their personalities. Buzz Grunt's son has 2 or 3 nice points but seems to be a good-natured kid so far. On the other hand, in a previous install I set 5-points-nice Tank up on a date with Violet Jocque and he just started arguing with her out of the blue. See, Tank, stuff like this is why you have no friends.... :faceslap:

[AlexandraSpears]

I have a hard time with super-grouchy Popularity Sims (Brittany Upsnott is an example). I guess it's not really contradictory when you think about it...maybe to them "friends" are really "connections." And of course Popularity Sims want to be noticed.

As far as 5 points in a trait...I think they tend to exhibit behaviors from either end of the spectrum. Like a 5 points active Sim doesn't mind watching TV, but they're not exactly kicking and screaming when you direct them to work out.

[fruitsymphony]

I play a super neurotic female sim who hates dirty jokes. When someone tells her a dirty joke, it is as if she says "Yes, ha ha, very funny" and then turns her back at them, and crosses her arms and their relationship score drops 12 points so after a few dirty jokes, there is no more relationship. :(
That was such a strange sim lady, I thought, So, I checked her personality points and it was high playful and high nice, so I thought it is probably the nice ness being offended.

[AlexandraSpears]

*breaks out Prima guide*

Says Sim B's (the Sim listening) daily relationship has to be over 65 for maximum funniness.

Accepted if Joke has final funniness rating of 6 or more

Joke begins with 2 Funny points.

If Sim B's Daily relationship >65, +3 funny.

If A's Charisma >4 and B's Mood >-30 or A's Charisma <4 and B's Mood >20, then +2 funny.

If B's Playful/Serious >4 and Mood >-20 or if B's Playful/Serious <4 and Mood >30 , then +2 funny.

Then there's a random addition/subtraction of funny points (1 or 2 points).

I'm not much for Sims telling dirty jokes to begin with and just about every time they tell one autonomously, it's an example of epic fail.

[arwentroi]

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[JDacapo]

Ah. Does your self-sim ever do any spying there? I read that Vidcund is often the one to get spyed on in that neighbourhood. It'd be super funny if he was being spyed on while very pregnant hahaha!

[RowenaLupin]

Sometimes grouchy Sims have a lot of character. I've made two sims. (For a Mayor challenge) one was nice, and one was grouchy. I thought that I would love the nice one better, but I realized that she was kind of boring. But the other Sim, she was every bit as nice - when she wanted to be - just don't tell a bad joke or she'll call you on it.

[JDacapo]

That's pretty awesome! Is she playful too? 'Cause Juanita Lothario has only one nice point and I think full playful. She loves to play pranks but doesn't seem to be able to take what she dishes out. I'll have to see if I can find her a boyfriend - one that can stand her antics.

[RowenaLupin]

Strangely enough, mean and nice sims seem to go together well. They balance each other out. She is medium when it comes to being playful. I don't need to do extremes because the inborn children do it for me. I have one lil girl who has 1 nice point, 0 serious, and extreme Active, Outgoing, and Neat and then I have another lil girl who is the exact opposite. It certainly makes for a lot of fun, strangely enough the one who's really nice (the lil girl) wants to torment other children... she keeps rolling wants.

[JDacapo]

Wow. The Subject family has a couple kids who roll wants to torment someone, but they also roll wants to pet their kitty, who is going to go to kitty heaven in a couple sim days.

[Aegagropilon]

Wow. The Subject family has a couple kids who roll wants to torment someone, but they also roll wants to pet their kitty, who is going to go to kitty heaven in a couple sim days.

The "torment" interaction can be positive :) In my game, 6-points-nice Subject daughters Difficult and Grimuara would regularly roll wants to torment someone -- which increased their STR when they tormented each other! -- and Howe terror twins Gozer and Glozel would torment each other as well as kids (then autonomously hug, because they're both one-point-nice).

[JDacapo]

Aww... do they crank-call each other now?

[DasRabennest]

I had a sim child born with only one nice point lately and she's...a bit cranky to say the least. Her toddler days: First she asks anyone and everyone for attention (very outgoing and active also *sighs*) and then refuses any action taken by the asked sim thus lowering the relationship points. Her child transition birthday party was an absolute crash due to her actions.

Seems like her quite affectionate mother brought her own personal bane to the world by giving birth to little Sabrina. :D

[Gcgb53191]

I had a sim child born with only one nice point lately and she's...a bit cranky to say the least. Her toddler days: First she asks anyone and everyone for attention (very outgoing and active also *sighs*) and then refuses any action taken by the asked sim thus lowering the relationship points. Her child transition birthday party was an absolute crash due to her actions.

Seems like her quite affectionate mother brought her own personal bane to the world by giving birth to little Sabrina. :D

That's funny my little sisters name is Sabrina and god she was the worst toddler ever. She's get angry so fast and any little thing lol. :lol:

[fruitsymphony]

My sim who suffered from aspirational failure was beating up people, and it was good for story progression, for example she beat up her love interest, on a community lot where I could not stop her, so he fell out of love with her and found someone else the same day. This was the first time I saw the "Romance swagger".
She is an Aries \pleasure sim.
My sims are my soap opera when my tv is not functioning.

[AlexandraSpears]

I don't need the TV myself. :lol:

[JDacapo]

The Sims 2 is my TV most of the time. I like being able to make my own characters and stories!

[Simsica]

Sometimes I watch Sim TV - it's much more fun than the real TV anyway ;)

I love grouchy Sims, especially with the reputation system from AL. I have such grouches running around my hood, causing all sorts of mischief to happen.
And I've had nice Sims - seriously nice, like 8 or 9 points - tease and insult people unprovoked, making them cry. What's up with that?

[Peni Griffin]

I always assume, when my high-nicers get in someone's face, that there is a provocation, just not one I caught. All kinds of things happens in the background of community lots that don't get into the memories. If you look at the connections between sims, you often find a provocation in the "six degrees of separation" between them. Pierre Curian is pretty nice, and shy to boot, but when he sees one of his daughter's first lover's lovers out and about, he's implacable! And you do not want to have even a theoretical conflict with one of Kitty Hawkins's kids, no you do not! Some people will even resent wrongs done to their friends.

[AlexandraSpears]

I have had cases where a Sim was caught cheating and the cheated-on Sim's relative witnessed it...and the relative was really upset with the cheater.

Case in point: Samantha Cordial (Belladonna Cove) was in love with Gabriel Green. Gabriel's girlfriend (haha) kissed him in front of Samantha and her sister Kimberly...so Kimberly was also furious with Gabriel. And I think furious with his girlfriend as well.

[Simsica]

I agree with both of you, Peni and Alexandra - Sims do act "out of character" when necessary - when provoked. But at that point I only had a couple of families in my (then very new) hood, and I still haven't taken them to any com lots, so they had no opportunity to meet each other prior to this unfortunate encounter.
This particular Sim, a male teen named Shane, argued, insulted and then teased this poor girl, Heidi, literally without provokation. I was very attentive to their exchange, because I thought they'd make good friends. Silly me, for assuming that I know what's best for them, right? Even after all these years they still surprise me like this.

They did have negative chemistry though. Maybe that's the culprit? But even so - I've never noticed other Sims acting like this when they disliked someone as a romantic partner.

[AlexandraSpears]

I know the drama profs get dogpiled on a regular basis at the hobby lots. They'll flirt with other Sims and get rejected, then the other Sims will start slapping the drama professor(s) around.

[JDacapo]

Even one of my nicer sims in the Curious coven household at college went and slapped the evil mascot autonomously. Stella also insulted and lectured him, though under my control.

[Peni Griffin]

Slapping the cow mascot is a good-aligned action by any rational set of moral standards.

[JDacapo]

Slapping the cow mascot is a good-aligned action by any rational set of moral standards.

True, though Delenn and Lyta, both full nice, didn't want to do it. Might try cowplanting him or just banning the danged thing from the lot. They've got better things to do than to be harassed by that annoying mascot. Llama mascot, however, is very welcome, because he is nice and rather refreshing.

[Gcgb53191]

What does one have to do to get 'lectured' ? I know its autonomous but do you have to do something bad or what?

[Clashfan]

What does one have to do to get 'lectured' ? I know its autonomous but do you have to do something bad or what?

Usually it's break something. I think the Sim that gives the lecture has to be in the same room to witness the breakage or at least that's how it happens in my game. Parents can also lecture a baby for needing a diaper change.

Not sure of any other moments as those are the only ones I've witnessed. Tends to be a double minus for relationship score so if your not already getting along it can do some damage.

[Peni Griffin]

Cowplanting the mascot won't do any good, JDacapo; the game will just make a new one. I lock the doors on residences to keep them out, and keep batboxes handy at the Greeks to smite them with if they're too persistent.

[AlexandraSpears]

In Belladonna Cove, when looking through the telescope during the day, you may just bring Gabriel Green to your lot. That Sim is 9 points Nice. And just before he shoves your Sim, he points to himself as if to say, "Me...?" He doesn't want to shove your Sim but the programming is making him do it.

[omglo]

Usually it's break something. I think the Sim that gives the lecture has to be in the same room to witness the breakage or at least that's how it happens in my game. Parents can also lecture a baby for needing a diaper change.

Not sure of any other moments as those are the only ones I've witnessed. Tends to be a double minus for relationship score so if your not already getting along it can do some damage.Teens can get lectured if they get caught sneaking in or out, too.

[Gcgb53191]

:D Hmmm I'm trying to think of why my sims would lecture at her husband the one time she did it recently. Perhaps it was because he made a mess while he cleaned the fish tank since he's messy.

[AlexandraSpears]

:D Hmmm I'm trying to think of why my sims would lecture at her husband the one time she did it recently. Perhaps it was because he made a mess while he cleaned the fish tank since he's messy.

I think they need to be Grouchy and Serious (not entirely sure about Serious).

[Babahara]

In my hood there are too many grouchy sims. Even if a household has no enemies, almost each day somebody steals newspaper, and about once per 4-5 days somebody kicks the trashcan while passing by. I never noticed anything like that in default hoods.

[music2ologist]

In my hood there are too many grouchy sims. Even if a household has no enemies, almost each day somebody steals newspaper, and about once per 4-5 days somebody kicks the trashcan while passing by. I never noticed anything like that in default hoods.

I wall up the trashcan kickers and watch them die, in the interests of raising the average niceness of the neighborhood. Having said that, I'm frequently surprised by the friendliness of grouchy sims.

[Peni Griffin]

Babs, that's probably partly a result of your ruthless neighborhood inflation keeping many sims' aspirations low. Sims in low green and below are a lot more likely to "act out" (as the child development pros call childish misbehavior) and do random anti-social things. They're like people in that respect, taking out their frustrations on others.

I expect a lot of the good behavior of my grouchy sims is down to how much I spoil them.
ETA: Oh, and I don't mind trash-can kickers much. It only happens in my neighborhood when someone's actually got a grudge; and if I'm alert, I can have someone run out to greet them and try to repair the relationship - or make it worse if that suits the sims better.

[Babahara]

Peni, even townies do that! In fact, mostly townies, I swear almost each day some townie steals a newspaper, sometimes twice per day. Now I just have my sim take in a new newspaper if needed and allow others to steal the old one. Saves time for taking the trash out.

I didn't know that aspiration plays a part in sims' behavior, thanks for this piece of info :)

[Deryn]

Over the years I've played neighborhoods where I spoiled my Simmies so much that the neighborhoods eventually became boring to me because there was never anything interesting going on, as everyone liked each other, or if there was cheating and drama going on, it was always well hidden from the neighbors. This time around though I've been playing a less hands on game and basically ignoring most of my Simmies wants, focusing instead on what my Simmies have to do to in life and fulfilling only those wants that fit in with what I want my Sim to do or have, which has kept many of my Simmies aspirations in the low green or red areas. This has made the game a lot more interesting for me because I've never gotten to see my Simmies show so much emotion before, and the things they do to show the world their displeasure (like stomping on flowers, or crying in public) is hilarious.

It really has reinforced my love of the game to see just how much the creators of the game put into the development of the character aspects of the game, which for me is why I play the game. I love creating characters and seeing the game infuse them with some spark of life that I didn't give them is something that is thrilling to watch.

[Darby]

Trashcan kickers can be quite handy for families who need compost. ;)

[JDacapo]

In Belladonna Cove, when looking through the telescope during the day, you may just bring Gabriel Green to your lot. That Sim is 9 points Nice. And just before he shoves your Sim, he points to himself as if to say, "Me...?" He doesn't want to shove your Sim but the programming is making him do it.

Delenn and Lyta, my alien spawnbabies, will do that when directed to insult or fight with annoyances like the evil mascot. They don't, however, when I direct them(via mod) to lecture him. And it's so funny watching my sims lecture those who tip trashcans and stuff. Got such a kick outta watching Nervous Subject lecturing Sarah McCarthy after she tipped his trashcan, and then just waved goodbye to her, and it was entertaining, watching the members of the Curious Coven lecturing the cow mascot, what with the way he would hang his head and nod.