Error 12 Game Crash

[SmexySims2]

Hello guys!
I'm trying to make a Sims 3 Series on my computer. I downloaded an Empty Sunset Valley game:
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=344655

And put in a bunch of different houses and buildings I'll see if I can get a screenshot of my town so you guys can see what I have. Over time I have collected A LOT of sims 3 CC and I would rather give up then uninstall everything and put it all back in one-by-one to see what's causing the problem. I know it may sound like I'm being lazy, but I'm sure there is another way.
I have WA, LN, GN, and P. I also have the most recent patch.

Some problems I notice before the error message:
-Game comes up relatively fast
-When I select other saved games besides my Sunset Valley [EMPTY] game, I can save my game fine without speed problems.
-When loading my EMPTY game, it takes a VERY long time to load and the game moves slowly.
-When I attempt to Save my game it gives me an error message that says; "An unexpected error occurred while trying to save the game. Consult readme for more details." And the title of the message was "ERROR 12"
-Soon afterwards if I try to do something like going into Edit Town Mode, the game will crash and I will lose all my data.


I looked up Error 12 on Google and found help threads that all generally linked me to this thread: http://sims3.crinrict.com/en/2011/03/error-save-errors-error-12
-13-or-16.html

So from what I gather, this is a game memory problem. My computer has 4GB of RAM 3.62 GB of it is actually usable since the actual system needs to use some RAM. I've turned off memories, but I have a feeling they're still going. I've deleted all my .bad extension saved games and I've emptied my saves folder. I've even changed my DEP settings just in case.

But before I do any more, I would like to know if I'm missing something, if my situation just requires one little thing so that I don't go into this monstrously long process for nothing. Do I just need to delete all the saved memories? How do I do that? I'm not a big computer person so I'm worried if I go into these processes for nothing and ruin my computer it will all be in vain.
Argh! Someone help me! D: :cry:

[ellacharmed]

Sounds like you're still on 32bit Windows, based on the OS recognizing 3.plus RAM?
Error 12s can only be permanently solve by
- updating to a 64bit Windows
- and adding more RAM (if already on 64bit OS)

But if that machine is old enough (since it still has 32bit OS), it might be more cost effective to upgrade the system by purchasing a new PC altogether. You may be able to bring over the optical drive and hard disk drives, monitor keyboard, mouse. Well, post Game Help:System Specs and we'll see what we can do with the hardware.

As for the gameplay issues, you need to

do the Game Help:Sims 3 Game Problem FAQ to determine if CC (OK after step#2) or Program data (NOT OK after step#3) is borked
read and follow the suggestions in the following FAQs to reduce freeze/lags due to memory bloat

Game_Help:TS3_Load_Issues#Long_loading_times
Game_Help:Intermittent_Freezes
http://nraas.wikispaces.com/General+Issues+FAQ#Lag
http://nraas.wikispaces.com/Other+Mods+FAQ#Memories

Game_Help:Sims 3 Crashing Checklist


If this is not a thread on asking advice about hardware, and only about Sims, I have to ask you to read the above pages I linked to. And then if the lags+crashes continue even with the recommended mods in place, please answer the questionnaires and provide all pertinent information for us to be able to help you further, in the Sims 3 Help Subforum, not in here.
I've been reading that using the Edit Town's world editor to place new lots, cause a lot of lags due to routing issues, and should only be used sparingly.

But I have a feeling, if you have an old system, until you get a different hardware than what you have now, the issues won't go away. No matter what mods you have to help with it. So, I'll reserve judgement until I see specs.

[SmexySims2]

I'm just not sure my hardware is the problem...

I am using a 32-bit operating system, but my computer is not that old. It's highly likely that it can manage a 64-bit operating system as well. The only thing is, my dad is a computer guy and fixed this computer up himself. He doesn't really want me changing things around and I'm pretty sure he told me this morning (unless he was just saying something else in a misleading way) that 32-bit operating systems are his preferred type of operating system.
Are you sure there is no other way to add more RAM on a 32-bit? Because all it is is putting in a new RAM card...

Also: I forgot to mention this, but I have Windows 7
You might've already figured it out, just thought I'd clear that up real fast.
:|

[Mordant17]

Could you post your full specs:http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:System_Specs? That'll help figure out if upgrading or getting a new PC is the better idea.

You can add as much RAM as you want with a 32-bit OS, it's just that the OS will never "see" more than ~3.5gbs. That's the case for all 32-bit OS's, windows or otherwise.

[SmexySims2]

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System Information
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Time of this report: 7/22/2012, 22:55:04
Machine name: USER-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120330-1504)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: M61SME-S2
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 3712MB RAM
Page File: 1217MB used, 4492MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode


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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 520
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GT 520
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1040&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Display Memory: 2593 MB
Dedicated Memory: 993 MB
Shared Memory: 1599 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: hp L1925
Monitor Id: HWP259A
Native Mode: 1280 x 1024(p) (75.025Hz)
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.8026 (English)
Driver Version: 8.17.12.8026
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/3/2011 06:50:00, 12636776 bytes


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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0883&SUBSYS_1458C601&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/20/2010 05:00:21, 304128 bytes


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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 19.0 GB
Total Space: 76.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST380815 AS SCSI Disk Device


((I hope that's right! The sound part kind of confused me because I didn't have anything that said "Output" Please let me know if I'm missing something!))

[ellacharmed]

Yep, adding more RAM to a 32bit OS machine is a waste of money. The Windows OS simply won't see the extras beyond the 3.plus GB.

Sorry, it IS hardware. Computer not that old?
EEK! In computer life-terms, the PC is a dinosaur. The first reviews for the CPU was from 2005! http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-sempron-3400-cpu

And that CPU is never meant for Sims, not even touching on the 32bit OS yet.
So, when you put it all together
- weak and old CPU http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B Just compare benchmarks to the 10 most common CPUs in use today: a score of 400++ versus 6000++. It's a wonder really, that the PC is still running. A testament to your Dad's madskillz at maintaining PCs, no doubt.
- 32bit OS
- weak GPU (all RED "Nos" in SysReq wiki)
all the issues you have is not really that surprising at this point.

And limiting productivity just for sticking to a 32bit OS is a bit weird in my opinion. It is like, limiting your dreams because the pursuit of your ultimate dream is too expensive. But I suppose you have to respect and abide by your Dad's decisions.

[SmexySims2]

Aye ca-rumba!

Before you lock this thread or anything, I'll see if my dad can do anything for this computer. Thank you for your help, I'll let you know if he can or can't! (Though from the sounds of it, the answer might be "can't") Dx

[ellacharmed]

It's not that he can't. It is that finding parts to fit with a system of that age (ie looking for a CPU to fit that motherboard) is almost impossible and thus expensive, if miraculously parts are available.

It is a matter of want or won't. :) You can always offer to foot half the cost for an upgraded/new PC with newer/better parts, or do more chores or something, to sweeten the deal.

[SmexySims2]

Okay! Thank you for all your help! I'd be surprised if my dad didn't have parts for this computer already. He has so many extra hard drives, RAM cards, and anything a computer heart could desire. (Except a good graphics card for my old computer that now makes my sims 2 game look like poop D': ) It would stink if this computer couldn't play sims either. Would be 3 computers in a row and my dad does not particularly support me playing video games all the time xD

Once again, I appreciate your help very much! :beer: