Mod The Sims - Ugly kids

anothereyjana

10th Jun 2010, 7:32 PM

Honestly, a lot depends on what you mean by "ugly". In the pictures section, I've seen people post pics of sims that they had deemed "ugly," when really they were just average, or in some cases, were even actually CUTE, but weren't super-model level beautiful, so were labeled as genetic failures. Not to mention that, in a lot of people's games the "uglier" sims tend to be some of the ones with the most interesting personalities, and are therefore the most fun to play--I know that that was the case with my ugglacy founder and her first generation of children.
Then, of course, it also depends on age, as for some reason, sims that actually turn out really pretty are HIDEOUS as toddlers--the better the look in their latter life stages, the more fugly they will be as toddlers.

As for sim-breeding tips, I have heard that if the features of two sim parents are at opposite ends that the kid ends up looking messed up. Ex., if the mother has a really small, delicate, doll-like face (big eyes, small jaw and nose, high cheak-bones, etc.), and the husband has a very strong jaw and chin (or other highly angular features), then the kid will look funky, with huge cheak-bones (a word I cannot seem to properly spell today) and a wierdly-proportioned jaw with a strangely jutting chin.
Also, if you download a full sim, especially one that's supposed to look like a certain person or celebrity, try copying them in body shop and the removing all make-up and face masks. A lot of "realistic" sims can look fantastic when you see them in previews or when you download them, but can have wierd or scary facial structures which make them dicey breeding material. Hope that helps! ;)

AlexandraSpears

11th Jun 2010, 2:51 AM

If I create two Sims to be the parents, I don't make their features vary too widely from each other.

grumpy_otter

11th Jun 2010, 10:34 AM

I really like the female "elf head" with the pointy ears and have used it as a base for several of the sims in my neighborhood--they all had lovely children. Their husbands were nice-looking to average.

A.G.Doren

11th Jun 2010, 8:58 PM

As for sim-breeding tips, I have heard that if the features of two sim parents are at opposite ends that the kid ends up looking messed up. Ex., if the mother has a really small, delicate, doll-like face (big eyes, small jaw and nose, high cheak-bones, etc.), and the husband has a very strong jaw and chin (or other highly angular features), then the kid will look funky, with huge cheak-bones (a word I cannot seem to properly spell today) and a wierdly-proportioned jaw with a strangely jutting chin.

My roommate has a sim that keeps making unattractive children. The first child, a girl, had no upper lip and space between her mouth nose that you could fit at least three fingers in between. The second one looks like all the lower teeth were removed causing her lower jaw to collapse on itself. I think it might be what you described above. Both children ahve the same mother,but a different father. The mother is really cute, she used a female head with a slant to eyes and really full cheeks. I know she did some modifications like plump the mouth and turn up the corner on the lip. I think the really full cheeks are probably not work with the men's jaws. My roommate is so unhappy.

Bwinney43

15th Jun 2010, 4:28 AM

I've noticed the more detailed you make the parents look the stranger the kids will turn out. I think it's because a certain feature will look great on the parents face template but will look off and horribly disfigured on the child. I've had drop dead gorgeous sims that I made with Bodyshop spawn the ugliest creatures but when I use just the basic face templates in CAS in-game they have adorable little children.

Yet another reason why I NEVER make sims. EVER. I always use pre-mades and just tweak them a bit. I prefer them this way. All my friends love making their own sims and I find the whole process boring. I'll stop making a sim family halfway through and just use the sim randomizer button.

Selly_2009

15th Jun 2010, 10:12 AM

Then, of course, it also depends on age, as for some reason, sims that actually turn out really pretty are HIDEOUS as toddlers--the better the look in their latter life stages, the more fugly they will be as toddlers.

I couldn't agree more! I had one family where I created the parents AND their daughter in CAS, the parents looked okay but the girl looked VERY odd - until I aged her up to teen just to see how she'd turn out... she was gorgeous!
After altering the hairstyle so she'd grow up with the one I wanted for her, I aged the kid back to toddler; had great fun with her all through her childhood. She's now an adult and mum of triplets! :)

my4monkeys25

15th Jun 2010, 12:03 PM

Then, of course, it also depends on age, as for some reason, sims that actually turn out really pretty are HIDEOUS as toddlers--the better the look in their latter life stages, the more fugly they will be as toddlers.

You did turn out to be exactly right about this.... Two of my quads were so strange looking as toddlers!! When they finally all grew to teenagers, they strange looking ones turned out to be the best looking! I'll have more patience with my fug toddlers from now on. LOL

A.G.Doren

15th Jun 2010, 6:27 PM

I couldn't agree more! I had one family where I created the parents AND their daughter in CAS, the parents looked okay but the girl looked VERY odd - until I aged her up to teen just to see how she'd turn out... she was gorgeous!
After altering the hairstyle so she'd grow up with the one I wanted for her, I aged the kid back to toddler; had great fun with her all through her childhood. She's now an adult and mum of triplets! :)

I think there is more to it than that though. I had two sims that I altered a good deal especially the mom. Their kids all look alike and they are all gorgeous in my opionion. The suns all look like Justin Timberlake. I thinks its a few things: do the parent features combine well,how drastically have the sims been altered, personal preference and random genetics.

CleoTheMuse

15th Jun 2010, 9:22 PM

Whenever I make two Sims in CAS that I intend to "breed," I always go into the child generator function and click the pacifier a few times...just to see what kind of babies they MIGHT make.

Also, as someone said above, it all depends on what you call "cute" and what you call "ugly." People post their sooooper realistic Simling pics here on the forums all the time. To me, those toddlers are FUGLY. They look like shiny, melted pieces of plastic with makeup on them. I like Maxis-styled Simlings in all their goofy glory.

fway

15th Jun 2010, 11:55 PM

I start "sculpting" the Sims I create as toddlers in BodyShop. If they look decent I age them up to Adults to see how they look, and then I tweak their faces. The genetics for townie parents with my "sculpted" sims come out pretty nicely when the infants become toddlers/children. My older Sims look pretty good as well.

jodemilo

16th Jun 2010, 6:11 AM

I find it a little tedious when a baby/toddler is a carbon copy of one of their parents, especially if the same sex as the parent, it doesn't feel like you're creating a brand new sim in some ways. I like it when they combine features, say take the colour eyes from one parent and maybe the rest of the other parent, or you get a female toddler looking like her dad rather than the mum (or vice versa).

Strangely enough the sims who I think will produce the nicest looking off-spring (usually downloaded custom ones) often don't. I have one toddler who initially I thought would be a carbon copy of his father who is pretty good-looking, but he looks like a mini-version of him without the rounded young features, plus from the side view he has no nose to speak of! lol. Hopefully he'll get better looking as he gets older.

ramblinghaggis

16th Jun 2010, 8:45 AM

I dont know what the secret is, but I made a red haired sim with a custom heart shape face in the CAS then she met a red headed guy in the game whom had very strong features....and they still had a good looking kid. Luck of the draw maybe.

Clashfan

16th Jun 2010, 2:37 PM

I think the answer is subtlety. I know the very first Sims I made way back when I gave very distinctive characteristics. Some by design and some by mistake, didn't realize it might be a good idea to sculpt the face without the hair in the way. First two Sims I made had brow bones like neanderthals hidden under their bangs, I simply didn't have a clue and couldn't see what I was doing. I was going for a cat eye sort of look but did not now how to achieve that. The next set I made I gave very sculpted cheek bones and sharp jaw lines which looked fine on them.

What happened is of course the "prominent" facial features got passed down. All of these Sims married and breed with townies and by the 3rd generation I had some truly deformed Sims running around. I don't mean ugly I mean deformed, I had one that had almost no eyes at all due to her enormous brow. The cheek bones of the others became so sunken they looked more than emaciated.

Now when I create Sims I make subtle changes to features, nothing drastic and as they breed I find the subtle becomes more pronounced. I'm having a population explosion in my little hood at the moment and going into the 3rd generation and haven't had a demon child breed yet neither do they all look alike.

M3g7e

16th Jun 2010, 2:57 PM

I agree, Clashfan, subtlety is the key to good, general genetics in the game. I did have a funny thing happen once in CAS, though. I went in just to roll the pacifier, not to make a family, and I made two very hideous parents--with extremely different faces. Mom's face was very narrow and long--Dad's just the opposite, very wide, jovial, overhanging brow and a huge, very unfortunate nose. Predictably, the first few rolls of the dice looked like a comic book version of these two monster parents, until a few rolls later on, a perfect cherubim emerged. This kid was drop dead gorgeous--at least compared to his deformed siblings--it's all relative, of course--a little tweaky perhaps, and maybe not "beautiful" in the purely conventional sense, but nevertheless quite attractive. I was sooo surprised. I'm sure these two parents were like WTF??? where did this cute kid come from?? He can't be OURS, can he? :lol: I thought it was so funny, I saved the whole family, though I don't think Mom and Dad will have any more kids--just to be safe.

Emolicious

16th Jun 2010, 3:05 PM

i always get ugly kids so i make them out in the CAS so i dont have to gdeal with them and if i did woohoo for baby so i kill them or cick them out

Panique

16th Jun 2010, 3:12 PM

I used to make pretty default looking Sims, mostly just tweaked one of the pre-set faces and let it be, so the kids would always turn out pretty normal looking. Now I try to create more unique faces, but so far it isn't turning out too well offspring-wise. I created a couple in CAS the other day and ran the create-a-child a few times to see what they'd create, and a lot of it was pretty terrible. I ended up tweaking them a bit to try and get some better lookers in there, but there were still a lot of uglies showing up. They just had their first son and he's still a baby, so I guess we'll see what happens. :lol:

M3g7e

16th Jun 2010, 3:22 PM

There's always the plastic surgery machine for later in life. I just work it into the story line. Once I dl'd a custom sim--he was good looking, and I hoped to inject some new gen. mat. into the game to revive one of my sagging lines. Unfortunately, his kid (he only had one!) had NO nose. I had really hoped that the kid would outgrow that awkward stage--but he didn't. His entire life, he's been "No Nose"--that's how my daughters and I know him. And now he has a daughter--same problem. When she became a toddler, I aged her to adult, made her over in the makeover machine till she was tolerable, then aged her down again. She looks better, but only just. I think it will be a lifelong process for her--but I plan to work it into her story, like she was born with a birth defect and had to undergo many surgeries to correct it. It makes for some variety and interest in the neighborhood, and certainly no two sims look exactly alike. Now that the NH is in the fifth generation, it is really most interesting to see the family resemblance among related sims--you can tell when one walks by who they are related to by their features, and there are other sims from small families that are very distinctive and individual.

Panique

16th Jun 2010, 3:31 PM

I used to plastic surgery the ever-loving crap out of my poor sims. :lol: I like the back story behind your toddler, though! It gives her charm.

Mortimer 2

17th Jun 2010, 7:28 PM

Yes,Plastic surgery is my favorite!
Use Debug Mode for career reward and turn your child sim into adult, after surgery finish you can turn back.

MegatronsPet

18th Jun 2010, 7:26 PM

If you only sculpt an interesting -adult- sim face, chances are all the other ages will get horribly distorted. You can preview the breeding horribleness if you scroll through your sim's other age & gender incarnations in CAS or BS. Now I sculpt all ages for both genders and then combine them into one sim (so, 6 faces for each sim, skipping elders) ...yes, very tedious - but now, even my Transformers sire gorgeous children XD

dcricket

18th Jun 2010, 7:41 PM

Well, generally speaking form experience, the when you make kids in CAS, it really helps if you see what they look like as an adoult, then select the age you actually want them to be, so you know what the child will look like when it's older. Also, the little box-pics they give you for the pacifier rolling page? Do not judge the sim in the image as to how it will actually look. It's better to roll until you get an OKAY looking kid, then view it in the actual CAS screen. Trust me, they always look better in the CAS screen. If you're still not happy, just delete the sims, then roll again and check out some different genetic mixes. You'll get something good eventually.

simsamu

19th Jun 2010, 12:13 AM

One of the ugliest toddlers I have ever seen was born to a cas sim and solveig lam (Cheerleader from uni) but the first thing the little honey did was cuddle the dog and I loved her when she became a teen she was really cute and by the time she was an adult she was gorgeous easily the prettiest sim I've had in my game. Whereas her cousin was a raven haired angelic looking toddler but a total witch of a child, noogies left right and centre, grew up to be a howler whose favourite social interaction was argue followed by insult lets just say she died unfulfilled in more ways than one!

Charmful

21st Jun 2010, 11:40 PM

The toddlers and children might be ugly, but I've found they grow into okay looking teens/adults. I just slap some custom hair/brows/eye-makeup /facial hair (depending on gender) and they turn out fine and fantastically distinct from one another.

AlexandraSpears

22nd Jun 2010, 6:15 AM

I have noticed that children in pre-made families seemed to have been made with CAS, not Make a Child. For example--Gabe and Alexandra O'Mackey's daughter Jules is a redhead like her mother. When I have them have another child, all the times I've done so, the child has had brown hair like Gabe.

Out of curiosity I looked at Gabe's DNA through SimPE. No recessive gene for red.

I ever start Riverblossom Hills again, I'll fix that.

Notice that Daniel Pleasant's sister, Jennifer Burb, looks nothing like him. He might have gotten a whole bunch of recessive genes, but it's more like whoever created the family just slapped a Sibling label on them and that's that.

I wonder what would happen if I gave Brandi Broke a recessive gene for blond while she's still pregnant...?

I was a bit worried when I had my born-in-game Sim, Stephanie Whitman, marry townie Ryan Wheeler because of his nose. Her parents, Stephen and Emily, I created as young adults and I didn't really tweak anything, just used the templates. Ryan and Stephanie Wheeler's daughter Jeanette looks pretty good, actually. It's like any features Jeanette inherited from Ryan were softened by features from Stephanie.

You have to be careful as to who you create for Armand DeBateau. His children tend to inherit his cheekbones, and if Jessica Peterson is the mother, have a barf bag handy. I have his two oldest--twins--in college, and his son looks just like him, actually pretty good-looking, but the girl, not that much of a looker, but not THAT bad. (Their mother is a Sim that I created.)

Update: Here are the DeBateau twins. Their mother, Catherine, is a green-eyed redhead.

Here is Jeanette, who got her mother's hair and eyes:

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/alexandrasims2/snapshot_b92c3940_b92c3942.jpg

And her twin Jonathan, who looks like their father Armand:

http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af292/alexandrasims2/snapshot_b92c3940_792c39a3.jpg

I hate how Jeanette's cheeks turned out. But Jonathan...I think he actually looks pretty good.

jodemilo

22nd Jun 2010, 9:12 AM

I hate how Jeanette's cheeks turned out.

Yeah, she looks like she's done 10 rounds with Mike Tyson. :)

AlexandraSpears

22nd Jun 2010, 9:16 AM

She's going to marry Ashley Pitts. I wonder how their children will turn out.

I had Tara marry Malcolm Landgraab, and their daughter isn't bad-looking.

Maranatah

22nd Jun 2010, 9:42 AM

I have noticed that children in pre-made families seemed to have been made with CAS, not Make a Child.

I agree. Especially Bin families are a good example... Like the Newson family that came with AL (the orphans).

jodemilo

22nd Jun 2010, 9:55 AM

She's going to marry Ashley Pitts. I wonder how their children will turn out.

Nooooooooo!!!!! Don't do it!

I had one of the daughters of my legacy couple (who was quite pretty) marry Ashley Pitts and they had four kids - all of them were 'orrible!! (well maybe I'm exaggerating, but definitely plain!)

Here are the twin daughters they had (as children and one of them as a teen) - I completely made over all the kids in the end they were so nondescript. :)

Maranatah

22nd Jun 2010, 9:59 AM

Nooooooooo!!!!! Don't do it!

I had one of the daughters of my legacy couple (who was quite pretty) marry Ashley Pitts and they had four kids - all of them were 'orrible!! (well maybe I'm exaggerating, but definitely plain!)

Here are the twin daughters they had (as children and one of them as a teen) - I completely made over all the kids in the end they were so nondescript. :)

I actually think they look fine. Did you play with them untill adults? Maybe their features soften when growing up.

jodemilo

22nd Jun 2010, 10:05 AM

I actually think they look fine. Did you play with them untill adults? Maybe their features soften when growing up.

I thought someone might say that. lol. I admit I'm a bit "lookist". It's why I rarely let my sims mate with Maxi's characters.

The twin daughters are both now at university, I made over one of them when she transitioned to young adult (the brunette) and the blonde one when she was a teen.

Here are the after-pics...

AlexandraSpears

22nd Jun 2010, 10:20 AM

Well, I'd just like to see. :)

Jonathan is engaged to a redhead I created in Create-a-Student. All four live in a private residence, the boys in one room, the girls in another. Their children might turn out all right.

jodemilo

22nd Jun 2010, 10:50 AM

[sorry, just had a brain-fart when I edited, so reposting...]

Sometimes you get nice surprises with Maxi's sims.

I had a female custom sim I downloaded and she brought home Blair Gast from work, who wasn't too bad looking so I got them hooked up. I read somewhere that usually kids are more likely to look like the custom sim than the Maxis one. They produced a couple of fine looking boys (although the third kid - a daughter - wasn't so cute!) lol It always makes me laugh when a daughter grows up from toddler to child and takes their mother's exact hairstyle!

I like how the boys took Blair's black hair but their mother's features. (Blair is in the second pic)

Aegagropilon

29th Jul 2010, 4:10 PM

Sorry to resurrect this topic after a month, but I had to reply with a few of my strange-looking sims XD

As for sim-breeding tips, I have heard that if the features of two sim parents are at opposite ends that the kid ends up looking messed up. Ex., if the mother has a really small, delicate, doll-like face (big eyes, small jaw and nose, high cheak-bones, etc.), and the husband has a very strong jaw and chin (or other highly angular features), then the kid will look funky, with huge cheak-bones (a word I cannot seem to properly spell today) and a wierdly-proportioned jaw with a strangely jutting chin.

This, a thousand times. Especially if both parents are kind of strange-looking as well XD

Most of my sims have produced relatively attractive, normal-looking children (there's two different species of alien running around my Strangetown, so what passes for normal in my group and what passes for normal to others definitely differs :P), except for one of my families.

Before I show the children, I need to introduce the mother (who was created via Create-a-Sim):
http://i27.tinypic.com/2hf000l.jpg

Meet Frieda. Don't adjust your monitors, she really is bright, lemony yellow. She's also an alien, an Aquarius, and enjoys children's television. Her favorite muppet is Oscar the Grouch. Her nose is tiny, and her features are sort of Martian 50s Barbie :P

She's also married to Nervous Subject (and they are adorable together XD), and they've had three children:

http://i26.tinypic.com/8y98ur.jpg
Grimm Subject, who just turned teen. It turns out that Frieda's little snub-nose is quite dominant, as is Nervous's general face-shape (chin, cheekbones, brow, etc)! He's kind of odd-looking, but he's such a sweet sim: very nice and very playful, yet incredibly shy. He currently has a mutual crush on one of Crystal Vu's daughters XD

http://i26.tinypic.com/2w6c3ft.jpg
Test Subject. He takes the most after Frieda in appearance so far -- the cheeks and the nose, as well as the eye shape -- but Grimm looked very close to that when he was the same age, so I'm waiting to see what happens when Test hits SimPuberty XD He's also the personality oddball of the group: full-bar neat, very playful, but very serious as well. He's a logic MACHINE. His twin sister and dad drive him up the WALL with their trails of stink and destruction XD

http://i32.tinypic.com/jh61bs.jpg
Grimhild Subject, Test's twin sister. Olive loves this kid, and has doted on her ever since she was a toddler... for obvious reasons XD When she was born, I was really excited that one of the kids didn't inherit Frieda's snub-nose... until I noticed her eye-shape and realized that there was going to be a female Nervous-clone running around Strangetown XD She's sloppy as hell -- her one point disappeared in a small fart after some encouragement from Nervous -- but even sweeter and more playful than Grimm.

Sorry for the long post, but this family is currently my favorite and I tend to ramble on about my sims :P

zumppe

29th Jul 2010, 5:33 PM

^I like all three lemony kids! :lovestruc Not classic beauties perhaps, but original and adorable.

(Any chance you'd share the source of the hairs and clothes of Test and Grimhild? ;) )

Kailacat

29th Jul 2010, 6:12 PM

Ooh, I love those Sims! The yellow skin looks really nice!

Nalia

29th Jul 2010, 8:44 PM

(Any chance you'd share the source of the hairs and clothes of Test and Grimhild? ;) )
Test's hair is by Anto at Coolsims, # Hair 27 http://www.coolsims.net/?show=hair&page=13

Simonut

29th Jul 2010, 9:28 PM

Ok I am going to get real here and have some "FUN" "Ugly Begot "Ugly" If your parents are down right ugly what do you expect ? A Frog or a Prince all you can do is hope the child turn into a "Prince." But even a Prince can be ugly and a frog well the color "Green" can be pretty. :rofl:

But it all goes back to a whole generation and genetics, of ugly parents, ugly children. It not so bad being "UGLY" the good part is you DO NOT have to worry about being "Stalk" by some crazy lunatic. Or you can take the high road and stop looking at the ugly face and look inside of his or her heart, because beauty can be "Skin Deep." :rolleyes:

StarlightBeauty

30th Jul 2010, 4:07 PM

I usually use face template one for all my CAS sims... that's probably why my kids turn out decent... which means I use skintone 1 the most, skintone 2 the second most, etc.
I never made ugly sims before, and for some reason even the premade sims have beautiful babies! I guess I need to make more ugly sims with fat lips and stuff...

AlexandraSpears

30th Jul 2010, 4:12 PM

You have to watch who you pair Armand DeBateau up with--as I showed earlier in the thread. I make sure that his woman has fuller cheeks and more of a chin. Hopefully it'll offset his sucked-in-cheeks look.

Aegagropilon

30th Jul 2010, 4:34 PM

^I like all three lemony kids! :lovestruck: Not classic beauties perhaps, but original and adorable.

(Any chance you'd share the source of the hairs and clothes of Test and Grimhild? ;) )

Thank you! XD They really are great sims: Grimm is such a sensitive sweetie, Test is Nervous's prickly little chess buddy, and shy Grimhild is everyone's friend once they take the effort to draw her out.

And as for the sources of their hair and clothes? Ask and you shall receive :3

Test's hair:
http://pooklet.dreamwidth.org/9868.html
It's called "Raygun" and the dark brown color he has is binned with black hair, which explains how he ended up with it XD I love Pooklet's hair retextures/hair recolors.

Grimhild's hair:
http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=10186.0
It's called "Cut It Off," and this link leads to the unnatural colors. I'm sure there's a naturally-colored version of it elsewhere on the forum :D

The twins' shirts:
http://www.digitalperversion.net/downloads/forum/kidtokishirts.rar

And the shirts they'll be wearing when they become teens:
http://www.digitalperversion.net/downloads/forum/TFtokishirts.rar
http://www.digitalperversion.net/downloads/forum/TMtokishirts.rar

Mod the Sims and Garden of Shadows are my main go-tos for custom content :D

Nalia

30th Jul 2010, 4:58 PM

Test's hair:
http://pooklet.dreamwidth.org/9868.html
It's called "Raygun" and the dark brown color he has is binned with black hair, which explains how he ended up with it XD I love Pooklet's hair retextures/hair recolors.

Ephemera's edited version of Anto's hair [CoolSims malehair 27], while Yuxi further edited the female mesh. Original creators should always be mentioned, don't you think? From the blog
CoolSims 27. So much potential, such ill-execution. Made Azaya convert this mesh for me Back In The Day, swearing I would alpha edit/retexture it and then never did. Which is a good thing, because Ephemera did a far superior alpha job than I likely ever could, so I just stole his. Yuxi was kind enough to tweak the female mesh to enable elder ages while Azaya's computer is in the crapper, so now both are for all ages. Title reference.

Aegagropilon

30th Jul 2010, 5:04 PM

Ephemera's edited version of Anto's hair [CoolSims malehair 27], while Yuxi further edited the female mesh. Original creators should always be mentioned, don't you think?

You're right -- I'm sorry D: I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes: I was merely linking to the particular version I was using in my file. I'll cite properly next time I link something.

zumppe

30th Jul 2010, 10:16 PM

And as for the sources of their hair and clothes? Ask and you shall receive :3

Great, thank you! :D MTS and GoS are my favorites too...

CleoTheMuse

31st Jul 2010, 8:38 AM

You're right -- I'm sorry D: I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes: I was merely linking to the particular version I was using in my file. I'll cite properly next time I link something.

Don't worry about it. I'm amazed you remember where you found anything!

All my CC is hopelessly disorganized and I couldn't possibly tell you where I found anything...let alone WHO the "original" creator was.

CinderEmma

31st Jul 2010, 8:24 PM

lol, I'm still figuring out how to install the CC :P

Maybe I shouldn't have killed the Ottomas Family, maybe the twins would have grown out of their mutated toddler stage. They WERE cute babies...

Nalia

1st Aug 2010, 12:38 AM

All my CC is hopelessly disorganized and I couldn't possibly tell you where I found anything...let alone WHO the "original" creator was.
If you can find the site, which states who created the hair, then you can tell perfectly well who is it.
I don't understand why you used the inverted commas in "original". Anyone you ask about the hair in question will say is Anto's creation, and approx. half of them will know who made the retexture.

Acknowledging the creator of any custom content is a matter of politeness, courtesy and appreciation.

ForeverCamp

1st Aug 2010, 2:16 AM

lol, I'm still figuring out how to install the CC :P

Maybe I shouldn't have killed the Ottomas Family, maybe the twins would have grown out of their mutated toddler stage. They WERE cute babies...

They don't. Apparently their genetics are ALL effed up.

CinderEmma

1st Aug 2010, 3:29 AM

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb102/ebec11/Sims2UggF-1.jpg

I'm doing an experiment where one sim has all of the face features maxed out and one with the opposite and try to get a pretty child (after a generation or two XD) with those genes :P

Laughing at the ugly children will be amusing as well :)

Aegagropilon

1st Aug 2010, 5:08 AM

I'm doing an experiment where one sim has all of the face features maxed out and one with the opposite and try to get a pretty child (after a generation or two XD) with those genes :P

Laughing at the ugly children will be amusing as well :)

Mr. Ugg looks just like a Mister Potatohead with a body, and Mrs. Ugg looks like there's an event horizon in the middle of her face that's drawing all of her features inescapably in. The children are going to be appalling XD

CinderEmma

1st Aug 2010, 6:29 AM

Mr. Ugg looks just like a Mister Potatohead with a body, and Mrs. Ugg looks like there's an event horizon in the middle of her face that's drawing all of her features inescapably in. The children are going to be appalling XDI know!
I wonder how long it WILL take for a normal baby to be made from those genes :P

beafish123

1st Aug 2010, 9:39 PM

Strangely enough the sims who I think will produce the nicest looking off-spring (usually downloaded custom ones) often don't. I have one toddler who initially I thought would be a carbon copy of his father who is pretty good-looking, but he looks like a mini-version of him without the rounded young features, plus from the side view he has no nose to speak of! lol. Hopefully he'll get better looking as he gets older.

i had a sim like that once but it didn't show up until she was an adult

shes had three kids (one is still a baby so i have no idea he looks like)
her oldest son is average, but her daughter is pretty but not stunning but not average either... noticeably prettier than her mom though :D

(i don't have any good pics of her so i cant link to one)

EDIT:
got a quick pic of her its not great but its a descent picture

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo21/beafish123/Decorated%20images/th_jessica.jpg (http://s358.photobucket.com/albums/oo21/beafish123/Decorated%20images/?action=view&current=jessica.jpg)

Simonut

1st Aug 2010, 10:21 PM

I wonder how long it WILL take for a normal baby to be made from those genes :P

This is so "FUNNY" Ebec17 I was rolling on the floor when I saw that picture of the two "Most Ugly Sims " I feel so very sorry for the future children being "Curse" with their genes. I sure do hope they will have a "Fairy God Mother" to watch over them. Other wise it will be many and many generation of "Ugly" sims in that family. Poor kids :cry:

Aegagropilon

5th Aug 2010, 4:15 PM

Since I railed about this sim when she was a toddler so much to one of my friends, I thought she'd fit in the spirit of this thread XD She's definitely a Mother Goose "Ugly Duckling" (Mother Aeggy's "Ugly Simling"? :P) story sim.

The sim in question is Ruby Valley, daughter of Crystal Vu and Elwood Valley (Elwood is/was a male version of Alice Cat's excellent Silicon element sim from the Periodic Table of Sims, since the Silicon in my game started as a kid and needed a parent. Her Afraidium twins were the start of the yellow alien invasion in my Strangetown :3 Elwood recently spontaneously combusted, so I guess I should count him in the past tense.)

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ppiwp1.jpg

She was a hideous toddler. This isn't a bad shot of her; there was no such thing as a GOOD shot of her. Her eyes were nonexistant, and she had this creepy appearance at certain angles of an adult's head grafted onto a toddler's body. I was horrified XD

But then she grew into a surprisingly cute kid, and now into a teen:

http://i36.tinypic.com/24edzeh.jpg

She's definitely not breaking any mirrors now! She's also an incredible grouch, but you'd never know it when certain sims -- like Grimm and Test, but especially Grimm -- are around. She's always on the move, always talking to people, but prone to endless rounds of SSX3 if given the chance... despite her active nature XD

Dragonleopard88

5th Aug 2010, 4:43 PM

The toddler shot of Ruby you posted isn't too bad (though you did already say that)... it just makes her seem like she has a long face. Whenever I make a kid in CAS, toddler or child, I always use the pacifier on the adult setting or (if there's only one parent) make the kid as an adult first before shrinking them down. They always look funky, but unless I'm writing a story or something I don't particularly care what they look like before they're a teen.

I remember that my legacy founder married that guy with the snakeskin jacket and sunglasses because he wasn't nearly as bad looking as the other townies I'd seen. They had a daughter, Ariadne, and she was horribly unfortunate-looking throughout her entire toddler-and-child-hood. I already assumed she'd be awful for life, and was praying that her younger sister would be prettier so I could make her heir instead. But then Ariadne aged into teen and she was drop-dead gorgeous! Well, actually she was pretty scary. Since I used a pair of eyes (Shady's Sparkling Eyes, the green and orange ones) that were sort of ethereal looking on my founder, Ariadne had inherited them as well as a slanted eye shape from who knows where. She also had a slightly downturned mouth so she was really serious. This combination meant that whenever she looked at me, not only was Ariadne gorgeous, but she looked like she was going to kill me with her mind powers for thinking she was ugly as a child :lol:.

SimMegaptera

5th Aug 2010, 5:08 PM

jodemilo, the daughters were pretty! I loved their noses before you made them over.

The only ugly kid I've ever had was an alien baby. He had no nose and looked like a scary little Michael Jackson. So when he was old enough I used a mod to redo his nose. Now he's cute. That's the only time I've ever modded a kid's facial features.

I've had other kids, especially adopted ones, who I thought were funny-looking. But with the right hair and glasses and so on, they were cute -- and they always grow up to be gorgeous.

Weeaboo

5th Aug 2010, 5:21 PM

I only had one ugly kid....

I'm never letting Dustin Broke and Angela Pleasant.

They made a FUUUGLY baby.

Selly_2009

5th Aug 2010, 7:47 PM

I only had one ugly kid....

I'm never letting Dustin Broke and Angela Pleasant.

They made a FUUUGLY baby.
That doesn't bode well for my Megahood then... Angela and Dustin are parents to Coralie.
Although to be fair I've seen some creepy-looking toddlers and children turn out pretty decent. In my original BACC (I've since restarted twice) I had Phil Jitmakusol get abducted and his baby girl Denise wasn't what I'd call pretty growing up. Despite her complete lack of nose she looked fine as an adult. :)

CinderEmma

5th Aug 2010, 9:28 PM

This combination meant that whenever she looked at me, not only was Ariadne gorgeous, but she looked like she was going to kill me with her mind powers for thinking she was ugly as a child :lol:.I really want to see a pic of her now!!!
Ugh, I've been trying to install those eyes for a while now, I just can't get them to work :( Those eyes are sooo beautiful :)

CinderEmma

5th Aug 2010, 10:06 PM

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb102/ebec11/Sims2UggF2.jpg

My first Ugg baby just turned into a toddler :P Ew, ew, ew :P

Lovely profile pic for Bertha Ugg too, isn't it :P

Aegagropilon

5th Aug 2010, 10:31 PM

My first Ugg baby just turned into a toddler :P Ew, ew, ew :P

Lovely profile pic for Bertha Ugg too, isn't it :P

Oh my god. It looks like a mutant puppy! XDD (And I love that you named her after the little girl in The Exorcist. Keep that baby away from pea soup!)

Bertha Ugg's profile doesn't horrify me too much because I've got some noseless aliens in my game... but holy crap that baby XD

Lavaster

5th Aug 2010, 10:31 PM

Nalia

5th Aug 2010, 11:56 PM

My first Ugg baby just turned into a toddler :P Ew, ew, ew :P

Congratulations! You have got your first really fugly toddler! :lol:

CinderEmma

6th Aug 2010, 12:28 AM

Oh my god. It looks like a mutant puppy! XDD (And I love that you named her after the little girl in The Exorcist. Keep that baby away from pea soup!)

Bertha Ugg's profile doesn't horrify me too much because I've got some noseless aliens in my game... but holy crap that baby XDSome angles though you can actually see her teeth through her skin XD I find that the funniest thing :P

How ironic, I've never seen The Exorcist :P Horror stories aren't my thing, but that backstory works really works with her :P

What's the difference between fugly and ugly? Is it worse?
I do agree that she is awesomely mutated though, very ugly :)

Dragonleopard88

6th Aug 2010, 1:27 AM

I really want to see a pic of her now!!!
Ugh, I've been trying to install those eyes for a while now, I just can't get them to work :( Those eyes are sooo beautiful :)

I deleted the family a while ago because they were losing interest for me, but I'll try to find a pic :) What's the problem with the eyes?

On a different note...

O_O That pic (of Bertha and Regan) has changed me.

Nalia

6th Aug 2010, 1:31 AM

What's the difference between fugly and ugly? Is it worse?
It depends.... How old are you? :)

jodemilo

6th Aug 2010, 1:37 AM

I was just lolling at ebec's toddler boy Regan. :lol:

Instead of saying "Regan just grew up from a baby to a toddler!" it should have said "Regan just grew up to be a mutant turtle-teddy bear-chimpanzee who's just been in a car crash". :)

Keep us posted with pics when he transitions to child Ebec. :)

Simonut

6th Aug 2010, 4:46 AM

Quote: Originally post by ebec17
My first Ugg baby just turned into a toddler :P Ew, ew, ew :P

My reply : Oh my goodness ! This is a "monster" of a toddler poor, poor baby and I do mean poor toddler :cry: I am going to get down on my knees and pray that a miracle happen for this toddler right this second. "Oh god of pretty please I beg you to show mercy on this helpless poor toddler, give her the blessing of a pretty face." Amen :help:

SimMegaptera

6th Aug 2010, 1:57 PM

You guys are cruel, people can't help having facial deformities... fortunately the rest of the sims will not treat them any differently. :)

jodemilo

6th Aug 2010, 2:33 PM

You guys are cruel, people can't help having facial deformities... fortunately the rest of the sims will not treat them any differently. :)

Yes, real people, but these are pixel cartoon characters, I'm sure little Regan is none the wiser that he's so facially deformed, nor are his parents. So we can laugh at him without a guilty conscience. :)

CinderEmma

6th Aug 2010, 2:36 PM

It depends.... How old are you? :)Oh, I think I get it :P Lovely XD

As a sidenote, I forgot whether Regan is a boy or a girl :P I'll check later for you guys.
And something that isn't obvious is that there is another baby on the way!

CinderEmma

6th Aug 2010, 3:16 PM

I deleted the family a while ago because they were losing interest for me, but I'll try to find a pic :) What's the problem with the eyes?

On a different note...

O_O That pic (of Bertha and Regan) has changed me.I hope you can find the pic!

I'm not sure what's wrong with the eyes, I think it might just be a problem with me trying installing CC, since I'm pretty new to it :P

animenut31

6th Aug 2010, 3:38 PM

reagan: the face only a mother could love......

Lavaster

6th Aug 2010, 10:31 PM

About the Ugg family, I've already read a story on the Exchange that shows you what their kid looks like. IT AIN'T PRETTY.
EDIT: http://thesims2.ea.com/exchange/story_detail.php?asset_id=231576&searchPage=exch&search=1&asset_type=story&key=experiment&order=UPDATE_DATE+desc&nrows=8&storyCat=&locality=&country=&view=new&hideFramework=&languageCode=

Simonut

6th Aug 2010, 10:32 PM

As a sidenote, I forgot whether Regan is a boy or a girl :P I'll check later for you guys.
And something that isn't obvious is that there is another baby on the way!

Please I beg of you on my hands and knees "ebec17" to STOP ! This "Maddest" Please, please, please sent the mother of this "Ugly Toddler" to the Sims Doctor to get her tubes tied. ( Meaning to stop her from having more babies ) Please because I am so afraid :alarm: this "Ugliness may spread like a deadly germ from your neighborhood to my neighborhood and continue to spread to all simmers neighborhoods. :blink:

SimMegaptera

7th Aug 2010, 3:45 AM

Okay, I cheated a bit with the Ottomas family. I made Dora prettier because I really did not like her face. Although the first time I ran the plastic surgery machine it screwed up. :D I gave everyone better hair too.

I like these folks! They're a sort of all-American country western family. In the suburbs. XD

The twins look... normal. At least as babies. If they're going to be ugly, will they be ugly as babies? I know that when an alien baby was born it was rather noseless.

cheshirekat

7th Aug 2010, 12:37 PM

In my game, babies usually all look the same, except maybe different skintones. But, the ugly features come out as soon as they become toddlers and you have to wait until they become adults to know if the bad features can be grown out. Unless they are creepy/hideously scary, I don't worry about how they look until they become adults.

SimMegaptera

7th Aug 2010, 6:05 PM

Well, you people were right. XD Meet the Ottomas twins, Lucille and Randall:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/bigwinged/The%20Sims/LucilleOttomas.jpg http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/bigwinged/The%20Sims/RandallOttomas.jpg

It's hard to see Randall's deformity in this picture -- he has a bulging lower face and cheekbones, while Lucille's are sunken. They're still sweet kids. ;) Someone mentioned a bug where they don't have a father assigned and they get a random one. Where can that be observed? If I look at their relationships bar, Peter shows up under 'family' (not just 'household').

Oddly enough I had an unexpected ugly teen today. Here's Winnie, who was an adorable child with a pretty mother (no father; I started them as a single mom and kid) before and after:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/bigwinged/The%20Sims/WinnieShepherdchild.jpg http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/bigwinged/The%20Sims/WinnieShepherdteen.jpg

I admit that she got some plastic surgery for her birthday. :P

Yukkuri Shiteite ne

7th Aug 2010, 10:16 PM

Garambola

8th Aug 2010, 6:56 AM

I'm sure Lucille and Randall are peter's offspring. They resemble Dora too much. (And they look a lot like Peter's kids with any woman.)

As for Winnie, I just think she looks human. Not super beautiful, but not that ugly either. But then lots of real people get plastic surgery too, even when strangers see nothing wrong with their faces.

Just wait until Sharla Ottomas grows to adult....

CinderEmma

8th Aug 2010, 9:12 PM

Since my new challenge relates to (and was inspiried by!) this board, I think I'll be naughty and adversite my challenge :)

http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=415639

So pretty much my little experiment with the Uggs has been expanded. People aren't really happy with it so far, but it's my first challenge, so I got to start somewhere :)

As a sidenote, did you age Winnie up to an adult to see if she was just an ugly teen?

SimMegaptera

9th Aug 2010, 3:51 AM

@Garambola -- it's hard to see in that pic, actually. She had a skinny little chin and completely sunken cheeks. Like she had no jawbone, just a chin. I implanted a jawbone for her.

@ebec17, no I didn't, I just fixed her chin. I could have done that to experiment, I guess. Maybe next time. I think I'll leave the Ottomas twins the way they are and see how they turn out.

DaniDismembered

9th Aug 2010, 7:15 PM

I learned that The older they get, the less fugly they are. :D

CinderEmma

9th Aug 2010, 10:38 PM

Can you show an after pic of Winnie?

Too bad you didn't age her, I'm so curious now what she would have looked like :P

CinderEmma

15th Aug 2010, 2:13 AM

UPDATE on my ugly sims :)
Regan (Who is a girl!) has a little sister now named Angie :)
I find it funny that both Regan and Angie have similar eyes :P

Simonut

15th Aug 2010, 5:42 AM

UPDATE on my ugly sims :)
Regan (Who is a girl!) has a little sister now named Angie :)
I find it funny that both Regan and Angie have similar eyes :

"Ebec17" Enough Already this is plain out right "Maddest" How on earth can you stand to even look at those sims all the time ? By making the parents so ugly you have place a "CURSE" on a long generation of children. Me, Myself, and I and my Shadow could never play those sims looking the way they do. And if they are given up for adoption who will want them ? Poor, poor children Shame on you "Ebec17

But I guess in their parents eyes they are pretty that is pretty "UGLY". :blink:

Aegagropilon

15th Aug 2010, 11:58 AM

UPDATE on my ugly sims :)
Regan (Who is a girl!) has a little sister now named Angie :)
I find it funny that both Regan and Angie have similar eyes :P

WHAT eyes? Regan looks like a mole rat that was sort of given human form by an easily-distracted fairie D:

Angie's got some serious cheekbones going on, though. Wait, ARE those her cheeks? It's hard to tell :P

Yukkuri Shiteite ne

15th Aug 2010, 2:20 PM

"Ebec17" Enough Already this is plain out right "Maddest" How on earth can you stand to even look at those sims all the time ? By making the parents so ugly you have place a "CURSE" on a long generation of children. Me, Myself, and I and my Shadow could never play those sims looking the way they do. And if they are given up for adoption who will want them ? Poor, poor children Shame on you "Ebec17

But I guess in their parents eyes they are pretty that is pretty "UGLY". :blink: Its not really a curse on other generations.

Just keep making them have babies with pretty sims :)

CinderEmma

15th Aug 2010, 2:33 PM

Its not really a curse on other generations.

Just keep making them have babies with pretty sims :)That's what I plan on doing :P
This is in a custom neighbourhood that I don't have too much stock in anyway, so if they infect it with their "ugliness", I'll live XD

I THINK they are cheekbones :P

Yukkuri Shiteite ne

15th Aug 2010, 2:40 PM

That's what I plan on doing :P
This is in a custom neighbourhood that I don't have too much stock in anyway, so if they infect it with their "ugliness", I'll live XD

I THINK they are cheekbones :P Lol.

I infected a neighborhood with ugliness and some of the 3rd-4th generation were very pretty. :)

CinderEmma

15th Aug 2010, 10:10 PM

Tell me if you guys don't want the updates anymore, though I just had some twins that you guys might be interested in :P (Should be a toddler in one Sim day)

Lavaster

15th Aug 2010, 10:17 PM

Ebec17: What do their GREAT grandkids look like? I'd like to see what THAT would result in!

CinderEmma

15th Aug 2010, 10:46 PM

I'll show you the GREAT grandkids when I get there XD Still working with the first generation, lol.
I think I'll use the prettiest of the children (probably Angie), and the ugliest (Regan might be it, though the twins are super ugly) for the challenge and have a nice gressume death for the others :P
I've had all girls so far, which ironic because I'm having SO many boys in Veronaville, the neighbourhood I've been playing the most :)

Pics of the twins attached, the first two pics are of Dana, the last one is Helga. Both seem to have NO nose (At least the Aliens have a squished nose)

Lavaster

15th Aug 2010, 10:49 PM

Ebec17: I know! ;)

Simonut

15th Aug 2010, 11:16 PM

Its not really a curse on other generations.

Just keep making them have babies with pretty sims :)

Let get real here "Yukkuri" ebec17 Ugly sims was made deform starting with the parents their features was pulled so far out of portions, eyes, nose, lips, shape of face etc. Their "Genetics" are screw up because a sims carries the genes from the parents, one she or he takes and one they carries in their DNA. ( that how Sims Gentics are setup )

If you got two Ugly made parents ( as ebec have made ) because their feature are so "strongly" pulled out of "Great" portions and one of the kids who look just like their parents in the face. That is the "DOMINANT" genetics over a "Pretty" genetics.

So if the sims who look like this above pictures get with a pretty sims because of the far out of portions face features with these sims that Ebec17 made to look Ugly it will RULE for it is the dominant over the Pretty. Roll the dice the Ugyliness is stronger in the genetics. Curse yes for generations unless the god of "Pretty" have mercy on them. :)

CinderEmma

16th Aug 2010, 2:28 AM

I aged them all up, I made some Alien twins that are half Alien/half vampire (I might have been playing around with the tomestone of L and D XD) that haven't inhertated much of the ugliness (might be diluted because of the PT) and I think I'll play with Regan and Misha (she is THE only one that inhertated her father's huge eyes and is very ugly).
I think eventually it'll at least die down, I don't think the ugliness will last forever. If it does, then I'll just kill them all :P Gotta love murdering those poor sims XD

* * *

Okay, I decided to marry then save, then cheat and do a super quick birth/aging to see what the child of Regan and a townie would look like.

I didn't take a pic (too sleepy), but the face was normal besides a mutant jawline (which didn't look that bad actually on the adult male), so I think that it does go away with mating.