If it were not for man...

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

REPOSTED IN THE DEBATE

I have seen several debates on religion and atheism on the forum...I myself am an Atheist, I respect everyones choices though, if they feel like this imaginary friend of theirs "god" is real then so be it...But please for the people who do believe, please hear me out...

You must remember that by the time you reach a certain age, you need to let your little imaginary "god" go...you need to remember that it was MAN that created both god and religion and it is MAN that can destroy it's existence...and woMAN(not being sexist here people)

You must think about what we all know about this world, the if's and but's and how's and where's and what's and all these questions always swim in my mind, how were humans created? How was the earth created? Do we actually have 100% cold hard no doubt proof of dinosaur existence? Maybe yes and maybe no...not everyone is the same...and not everyone is different...or maybe everyone is all the same and we choose to be different?

Maybe it just so happens...that god is real, maybe he isn't, maybe there is and maybe there is not a heaven or hell, maybe there were cavemen, or maybe not...maybe everything we think is real is just our imagination, maybe there was an earth like planet before this one that had humans on it before us? Maybe there is so much about this planet and about the human race that we do not know about...what if...what if it was possible to make an HDTV in the 1700's?
I mean we make everything with material and tools that we use from the earth...I mean everything is made from the earth around us, from material inside the earth, from one thing to another we pass down material from the earth and make new things.

So please think about all this...if it were not for man...god would not exist...it was our imagination that created him...without our thoughts we would have never learned about god or religion...the word religion, the word god, the definitions and the meanings were all thought up by man...also, the bible obviously was written by man who SUPPOSEDLY was "communicating" with god and what not which I myself call bullshit...please think all that I have said and put it into some hard and long consideration, I am not trying to convince you too be atheist but damn...why sacrifice people because your imaginary told you to?

Think about it...I have seen several debates on religion and atheism on the forum...I myself am an Atheist, I respect everyones choices though, if they feel like this imaginary friend of theirs "god" is real then so be it...But please for the people who do believe, please hear me out...

You must remember that by the time you reach a certain age, you need to let your little imaginary "god" go...you need to remember that it was MAN that created both god and religion and it is MAN that can destroy it's existence...and woMAN(not being sexist here people)

You must think about what we all know about this world, the if's and but's and how's and where's and what's and all these questions always swim in my mind, how were humans created? How was the earth created? Do we actually have 100% cold hard no doubt proof of dinosaur existence? Maybe yes and maybe no...not everyone is the same...and not everyone is different...or maybe everyone is all the same and we choose to be different?

Maybe it just so happens...that god is real, maybe he isn't, maybe there is and maybe there is not a heaven or hell, maybe there were cavemen, or maybe not...maybe everything we think is real is just our imagination, maybe there was an earth like planet before this one that had humans on it before us? Maybe there is so much about this planet and about the human race that we do not know about...what if...what if it was possible to make an HDTV in the 1700's?
I mean we make everything with material and tools that we use from the earth...I mean everything is made from the earth around us, from material inside the earth, from one thing to another we pass down material from the earth and make new things.

So please think about all this...if it were not for man...god would not exist...it was our imagination that created him...without our thoughts we would have never learned about god or religion...the word religion, the word god, the definitions and the meanings were all thought up by man...also, the bible obviously was written by man who SUPPOSEDLY was "communicating" with god and what not which I myself call bullshit...please think all that I have said and put it into some hard and long consideration, I am not trying to convince you too be atheist but damn...why sacrifice people because your imaginary told you to?

Think about it...

[pinketamine]

People should be free to believe what they want. Their beliefs don't hurt you anyway, so trying to convince other that your point of view is the right one does not really make sense when it comes to personal beliefs. People don't have any proof of God's existence, and they still believe in it because well, that is what faith consists on.
I'm agnostic myself, so I'm not telling you that you are wrong and God really exists. I'm just saying that people will still have their beliefs. I don't think anyone denies the great power we humans have, but they have their right to believe in God, UFOs or whatever pleases them.

[Nekowolf]

Firstly, double-posting in the same post, wow.

And second, first you start by asking what if's and such. Then stating we cannot fully know. Then stating rather factually about something we know even less about than anything regarding planetary creation, dinosaurs, or evolution.

So which is it? You know? Or you don't? If you know, how? If you don't, then why prance the conclusion around like you do?

Thirdly; 1. our ability to craft tools from materials is hardly a basis for a conclusion on the existence of a deity, as depending on what you believe, it was said deity(ies) that either gave us those materials, or came about through their actions (intentional or otherwise). And 2. to none of my surprise, it surmises monotheism. Using the concept of natural materials, alluding to the Bible. Whereas it is typically different in other forms of religion, e.g. pagan faiths. This is because in pagan faiths, the gods are not the ultimate entities, nor are they the First Movers. They were birthed through Nature. In Greek, they were born to Gaia, the Earth, by Uranus, the Sky. Hell, they weren't even the first in Greek mythology; the Titans were. In Norse, they weren't the first, either. The fires of Muspellheim, their heat slowly melted away the frozen edges of Niflheim, and melted into Auðumbla, the cow. Who licked away at the ice and formed Ymir, the first of the frost giants. A few more giants are born, the first of the gods are born. They kill Ymir and use his body to shape the world.

So in paganism, Nature created the gods, essentially, or at least was the First Mover.

Lastly, you claim to not try to be changing minds, yet at the same time, you seem to be attempting to make the case for it. Yeah, personally, I think the sole purpose of this topic is an attempt to convince people into atheism.

[wickedblue]

You didn't post a topic for debate; you posted your opinion and insulted those with a different opinion.

[ElementMK]

You know, if you really want people to heavily consider their beliefs, it might be a better choice not to needlessly insult theistic people and regurgitate the same points we've all heard before. And I mean regurgitate, since you somehow repeated your post twice.

I respect everyones choices though, if they feel like this imaginary friend of theirs "god" is real then so be it.That's not respect. That's outright contempt.

You must remember that by the time you reach a certain age, you need to let your little imaginary "God" go ...What is your point? Believing in God is a sign of immaturity?

maybe there were cavemen, or maybe notThere were.

what if it was possible to make an HDTV in the 1700's?LOLWAT

Why sacrifice people because your imaginary told you to?I can bet that zero theists on this board, Christian or otherwise, would ever kill in the name of their god. Take your question up with the Spanish Inquisition.

also, the bible obviously was written by man who SUPPOSEDLY was "communicating" with god and what not which I myself call bullshitIt was written by dozens of people and has several unattributed historical accounts.

Think about it...Since you seem to be full of questions, perhaps you need some time to think. Oh, and just so you know, I'm an atheist too. Your illogical passion with atheism is just as bad as being a religious nut, and you're giving atheists a bad name. Please reconsider why you feel the need to insult anyone who doesn't agree with your limited viewpoint.

[appelsapgodin]

Yes, I am thinking about it. My conclusion is that you must have been smoking pot as you typed this.

[Sparklycookie]

This is the best troll board in a while *munches popcorn*

[Purity4]

You must remember that by the time you reach a certain age, you need to let your little imaginary "god" go.


I disagreed with your post because of the above quote. No one "needs" to do or believe anything just because you are an atheist.

*It's also a bit annoying that you copy pasted your own message twice in the same post. Talk about being redundant. Just because you say something repeatedly doesn't make it true.*

[appelsapgodin]

I thought the funny part about that above quote is the fact that the OP is 16. (As stated in the 'how old are you' topic on this site.)

[Lance]

I think the OP is just a bit pissed off by people who being christians believe they should perform their mentioned in bible duty to convince all the others of their gods existence. In the moment something bad happens to you there is always great many new-era-missionaries around you explaining that you was robbed because you do not attend a crunch.
Well, itsnotozzyitsozzy, what you do now is basically the same.
Instead of real proofs and respectful discussing of the subject you go to your pure emotions and your own faith. You are insulting now, not helpful.
PS And double posting is really bad.

[whiterider]

Drat, if we just had the topic without the OP, this could be a pretty good debate topic.

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

I double posted on accident....obviously I didn't do it intentionally... common sense guys.

[TRIriana]

I double posted on accident....obviously I didn't do it intentionally... common sense guys.



Might I politely suggest that you of all people, considering your original post, should not be talking about common sense.

You say that you respect other peoples opinions, and yet decry them for having a so-called "imaginary" friend. You sound contemptuous, and not at all like a reasonable person on this subject.

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

Maybe...I am open to everyones opinions, I have worded my topic wrong, and I see that now, I was typing earlier without taking a second thought and proof reading...my mistake, but for the people who say god is real...are followers...they are followers of a superstitious human being just like you and I who believed that this "imaginary" friend they call "god" or Deity(s) gave him this world, and the human race and god created this and that...man created this and that, I have shaped my own life upon my hard work and all this time, not once did this so called "god" help me in any way possible...not once have I made something or believed in something because of "god" and to sit there and say that we have things because this "imaginary" thing made it for us, is ridiculous...people killed others because their imaginary friend told them to or to make their imaginary friend happy...and for what cost? because a bunch of people think that this being exists?
but this topic is obviously a bit too much for some people to handle and are getting offended so feel free to think whatever you feel is right.

[Rawra]

What is your god damn problem?! You're trying to change the opinion of so many people, though you'll not be able to do it by telling us "Hey, go and get a life and get rid of your <imaginary friend>. Look, itsnotowhatever, you'll never change the point of view of a true Christian/ Buddhist/ Muslim whatever! Now I really got angry.

[ElementMK]

but this topic is obviously a bit too much for some people to handle.http://i53.tinypic.com/5k0pd0.gif

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

Oh I do respect others beliefs...I always do, but I was just pointing out what I believe...without checking, I see that I have put some insulting opinions of mine in my post which was a mistake...

[Lance]

itsnotozzyitsozzy, I've seen your other posts.
You speak of god with every opportunity, even with your signature... And how you speak that... You are obviously too emotional on the subject.
That makes me think all you want here in this thread is to be convinced you are wrong. You are quite afraid of what you say, arent you?

[whiterider]

Didn't you say above that you respect other people's beliefs? You can't have it both ways. Disagreeing is one thing, insulting those you disagree with is quite another.

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

What is your god damn problem?! You're trying to change the opinion of so many people, though you'll not be able to do it by telling us "Hey, go and get a life and get rid of your <imaginary friend>. Look, itsnotowhatever, you'll never change the point of view of a true Christian/ Buddhist/ Muslim whatever! Now I really got angry.

Never came across my mind...not once...I know you are not going to change your mind just like know one can change mine...that was not my goal here...but it's called reality...all I said is think about it...not WORSHIP what I just said and turn against your religion...not once did I say that or anything near it...I can tell you to think about a cheeseburger with no cheese and it would still be good...am I telling you to turn on the Cheeseburger? No...I am simply suggesting that you think of what it would be like...

[appelsapgodin]

but this topic is obviously a bit too much for some people to handle and are getting offended so feel free to think whatever you feel is right.

You know that is actually not really the problem here. For the atheists on this board you're kind of stating the obvious. And I guess for the religious folks on the board you're in a manner of speaking stating the obvious too... I don't know where the agnostics stand, but I guess they don't either.

Thereby there's quite a big, bad religion topic (2 I even think) stickied on the discussion page; you can get all the kicks you want there.

[dutch]

itsnotozzyitsozzy, imma let you finish, but God is real and he's right all the time.

[Rawra]

Never came across my mind...not once...I know you are not going to change your mind just like know one can change mine...that was not my goal here...but it's called reality...all I said is think about it...not WORSHIP what I just said and turn against your religion...not once did I say that or anything near it...I can tell you to think about a cheeseburger with no cheese and it would still be good...am I telling you to turn on the Cheeseburger? No...I am simply suggesting that you think of what it would be like...

I don't need to think. I believe in God with all my soul, I don't want to think about these things. I had many experiences in my life to prove that God exists. Not physical proofs, but still.

Anyway, I don't see the point of this thread. I really, really don't see it. If it isn't for making people believe otherwise than they do, what is it?

Lol, it's the first time I agree with Lance. I think you are kinda afraid of something. Afraid of... being wrong?

[ElementMK]

itsnotozzyitsozzy, I've seen your other posts.Hmm, I wonder which other posts you could be referring to ...
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[whitewaterwood]

It was Voltaire who said 'If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent one.'

There's no point in arguing if religion is a purely good or purely bad thing. Like all things, it's in shades of gray.

Good:
-Gives people a solid reason to become better people
-Makes churches, who are a huge source of philanthropy, helping the poor, and general kindness.
-Gives people a reason for living

Negative:
-Can make people closed minded, aggressive, and give them an excuse to hurt people 'because God says it's okay.'
-Divides people.

Obviously, not the only problems or pros of religion, but anyone who claims religion is 'only good' or 'only evil' is an idiot. Instead, we should be arguing specifics. I think what religion does is more important than whether or not god exists. Obviously, lots of people would disagree, but I don't think just believing in a higher power has ever caused people huge problems. It's religion that does that, not belief in god.

[Rikachu]

what if it was possible to make an HDTV in the 1700's?

http://www.animaljokes.net/pictures/bunnypancake.jpg

[HystericalParoxysm]

http://i51.tinypic.com/28uitcw.jpg

I honestly can't take this thread at all seriously. I move that it become a mocking image macros thread.

http://i52.tinypic.com/6tcjrk.jpg

[whiterider]

omg! I don't know which one to fawn over first!

Also, Ri... that's a bunny with two pancakes on its head. Tut tut.

[Rikachu]

how foolish of me! *falls to knees*

Forgive me, o white one! *flails*

oops. forget my macro.
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/shark_derp_durr_hurr.jpg?w=560&h=461

[TRIriana]

I believe this one also says quite a lot:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Lena_Harlowe/ErrorCat.jpg

[appelsapgodin]

Here's a Dutch one for ya:

http://imgbit.com/images/8b039724071243028981.jpg

[HystericalParoxysm]

I LOVE windmill beard guy. He is the Dutchiest man evar.

[el_flel]

how foolish of me! *falls to knees*

Forgive me, o white one! *flails*

oops. forget my macro.
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/shark_derp_durr_hurr.jpg?w=560&h=461Now that pic is pure genius.

[unalisaa]

ANYWAY
OP, what are your thoughts on yaoi?

[dutch]

OP is an acronym for "original poster", by the way. Just in case you're not sure, OP.

[Nekowolf]

@whitewaterwood: "but I don't think just believing in a higher power has ever caused people huge problems. It's religion that does that, not belief in god."

I'd have to disagree. It's always been people causing problems. Religion is a concept, much like love, anger, money, land, etc (I used emotions, because they are similar enough). These things, on their own, do nothing. It's the irrational instability of our species that causes these problems. That has always been the problem, and always will be. You can say "it's because of this" or "it's because of that," but the factor among all of that is it was people who committed whatever, for whatever reason.

[Lance]

...but I don't think just believing in a higher power has ever caused people huge problems. It's religion that does that, not belief in god.
Wrong. Irrational beliefs is what religions are born from.
Irrational beliefs is what make humans do irrational things.

[Rawra]

Why irrational? Because it's just above our level of comprehending?

[Lance]

English dictionary will help you.

[Lance]

HP obviously does not want us to have any real discussion in here, does she? :lol:

[HystericalParoxysm]

Ya'll are TERRIBLE at posting image macros.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24616_101220165242donutdog.jpg

[el_flel]

Sod the essay, this is much more fun:

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24617_101220165749anteater_duel.jpg

[whiterider]

Well, we do already have two threads for debating religion :p .

[el_flel]

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24619_101220171111crocoduck_approves.jpg

[HystericalParoxysm]

Three, actually... and one specifically for atheism, and a specific directive to post religion or non-religion related stuff in those threads. Therefore, this thread is for stupid image macros and other amusing crap.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24618_101220170624staring0001.jpg

[Nekowolf]

http://img2.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/10092008/0/1/6/1/0161907a89a0e0_full.jpg

[Nekowolf]

http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/c65767fb2bf430af81fb3186a7cc74d41230840458_full.jpg

[HystericalParoxysm]

Makes no sense, but seriously, hottie 20's chick changing a tire? UNF.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24620_101220171701car3-1920s-porn-406x440.jpg

[wickedblue]

Today's xkcd seems relevant to this thread:

http://xkcd.com/836/

[Nekowolf]

http://img2.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/03112008/0/d/d/c/0ddc3b67a3f8c0_full.jpg

[paksetti]

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae160/demetersquared/images.jpg


and also, this:
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[maybesomethingdunno]

Merriam-Webster defines "religion" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion) as "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." So, as an Atheist, you have an attitude regarding to deities and are by definition very religious, itsnotozzyitsozzy.

Welcome to a religious following. :)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4639/waveo.gif (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/waveo.gif/)

[Nekowolf]

Take Venus' face, and Jupiter's hair color and style. Keep Jupiter's costume, or switch it was Mars.

[appelsapgodin]

I want to break free
I want to break free
I want to break free from your lies
You're so self satisfied I don't need you
Ive got to break free
God knows, God knows I want to break free

http://files.sharenator.com/freddie_mercury_your_argument_is_invalid-s500x439-45740-580.jpg

PS: HP can we now finally have a 'fuck off' button? :bunny: Pleeeeaaaaasssseeeeeeeeeeeee??

[unalisaa]

Sexyladiesandashirtlessguy.gif

http://i52.tinypic.com/2m832nb.jpg

[whiterider]

...says the swan? Hello Zeus!

[Lance]

I would want a button like "sigh" or "facepalm"...

[HystericalParoxysm]

PS: HP can we now finally have a 'fuck off' button? :bunny: Pleeeeaaaaasssseeeeeeeeeeeee??

If it were just up to me, hell yes. Unfortunately, Mr. Paroxysm is a party pooper and won't even let me change my title to "Admin Who Just Doesn't Give a Fuck" so I think our chances of a "fuck off" button are unfortunately pretty low.

[appelsapgodin]

Unfortunately, Mr. Paroxysm is a party pooper Maybe if Mr Paroxysm didn't get any for a month?

Mhh, I guess Mrs. Paroxysm wouldn't like that either. Then there is probably nothing else to do than second Lance's suggestion for a facepalm button.

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

I don't need to think. I believe in God with all my soul, I don't want to think about these things. I had many experiences in my life to prove that God exists. Not physical proofs, but still.

Anyway, I don't see the point of this thread. I really, really don't see it. If it isn't for making people believe otherwise than they do, what is it?

Lol, it's the first time I agree with Lance. I think you are kinda afraid of something. Afraid of... being wrong?

To let you know what is reality..if you want to devote your life on something that does not exist then it's your choice...

[el_flel]

It's pretty arrogant to say that something doesn't exist when you have no way of knowing whether it does or not. That works both ways.

[Rawra]

To let you know what is reality..if you want to devote your life on something that does not exist then it's your choice...

I believe He exists. I'd say he certainly exists, but you'll just come and babble again. I don't devote my life to Him. I just know that He is there for us who believe in Him. And maybe, even for those who don't.;)

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

Well creeper...possibly...like el said, we never know until we actually see the real thing...until you actually KNOW for sure that it is real...maybe there is a deity and maybe my beliefs mean nothing, and vise versa...but I do not see any reason to stand around and praise a deity that does nothing for us...or in another way of words...can anyone tell me way they think "god" won't do anything for us?
Why god lets people get raped and killed every single day...why god let's natural disasters wipe out houses and destroy families and their homes?
Why god allows and allowed people to be burned and sacrificed for his own cause?
Why god isn't here...ever...I just want to know why that is?
I used to believe in god, that was until I kept seeing all of this hate and murder and disaster, then I only believed in Satan...that was until I grew out of that and now I believe in reality...

[Rawra]

Well creeper...possibly...like el said, we never know until we actually see the real thing...until you actually KNOW for sure that it is real...maybe there is a deity and maybe my beliefs mean nothing, and vise versa...but I do not see any reason to stand around and praise a deity that does nothing for us...or in another way of words...can anyone tell me way they think "god" won't do anything for us?
Why god lets people get raped and killed every single day...why god let's natural disasters wipe out houses and destroy families and their homes?
Why god allows and allowed people to be burned and sacrificed for his own cause?
Why god isn't here...ever...I just want to know why that is?
I used to believe in god, that was until I kept seeing all of this hate and murder and disaster, then I only believed in Satan...that was until I grew out of that and now I believe in reality...

He is and was there for me, when I needed His help. God only gives us the strength to overcome problems, He doesn't solve them for us.

[ElementMK]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2rmts00.jpg

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

I give myself strength

Feel free to believe that this being gives you strength...but my main question on this topic form the beginning is why worship this deity...for what reasons?

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[el_flel]

Threads on this topic which already exist: Christianity (Part II) (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=410488) (it's been discussed that much) and All Other Religions (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=391956). Although I'm probably wasting my time on this as you don't seem to actually care why other people believe in a god.

Back to the silliness:
http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24623_101220215242cookiegod.jpg

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

Exactly...I don't. just like you do not see why I do not believe in god...

[ElementMK]

EXCUSE ME SIR I AM ENJOYING THE IMAGE MACROS
http://i55.tinypic.com/5y6ek8.jpg

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

Interruption...I have a dream to have a dream...

[maybesomethingdunno]

There's so much negativity in this thread. For those of you who are all up tight, here you go. Kittens make everything better.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4691/3609048921da6074ef2eo.gif (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/3609048921da6074ef2eo.gif/)
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8248/2rm1en9.gif (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/2rm1en9.gif/)

[whiterider]

If you don't care about other people's opinions, why are you posting in the Debate Room?

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[el_flel]

If you don't care about other people's opinions, why are you posting in the Debate Room?^ This. Asking the question "why worship this deity...for what reasons?" implies that you actually want to know the answer, but seeing as you don't then this thread is merely a stand for your personal soapbox and not a debate and as such should not be in the Debate forum.

ETA: just like you do not see why I do not believe in god... This makes no sense because I'm an atheist, so actually I would understand why you don't believe in god. However, unlike you, I appreciate that people do not share my belief and therefore do not insult or belittle them for it. To each their own, and all that...

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24626_101220223523master_of_the_obvious.jpeg

[Petchy]

http://i53.tinypic.com/13ynxgm.jpg


Oh, And I made you something:

http://i51.tinypic.com/14kd07s.png

PS: I noticed you posted on every thread you could in the last four+ days, no matter how old, outdated and such. If you want to something like this and have your views respected, try posting here: LINK (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/) Welcome to the Community :)

I'm sorry, I didn't get much past here:
...I respect everyones choices though, if they feel like this imaginary friend of theirs "god" is real then so be it...But please for the people who do believe, please hear me out...

You must remember that by the time you reach a certain age, you need to let your little imaginary "god" go...you need to remember that it was MAN that created both god and religion and it is MAN...

I like how you see God as being Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and your posts thereof to other members have proven your ignorance. Plus, there are sticky Debates for this stuff.

[Arisuka]

First time in ages I thought to read a bit what's going on in the debate room..

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/64/bplease.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=5253)

[Ledgo]

Not only has Freddie Mercury been referenced in this thread, but it's in general full of complete fail and yet so much win.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l33/Ledgo/holy_shit_this_is_awesome.jpg

[Rikachu]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/failroad4.jpg

Alllllll the livelong daaaaaaaay...

[Kailacat]

Might as well join in.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21luyxu.jpg

[Sparklycookie]

http://i56.tinypic.com/zmo93m.jpg

[jhd1189]

What. I spend ONE day off the site playing Zelda being incredibly productive and THIS is what I come back to? Thankfully HP swooped in to save the day, because this was sort of my reaction to the first page:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc564u3stf1qd362u.gif

[kattenijin]

I would want a button like "sigh" or "facepalm"...
Then there is probably nothing else to do than second Lance's suggestion for a facepalm button.
I don't have a button, but maybe...

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/kattenijin/1292952677.gif
...will do the trick.

[dutch]

Threads like this pwn regular threads any day.
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/demotivational-posters-trolling.jpg

[Rikachu]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/24/orly_2.jpg

Just had to have an o rly image. ;D

[dutch]

yup
http://cdn.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ya_rly.jpg

[Rikachu]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/64/awhellnahobama-1.jpg

Barack disapproves.

[whitewaterwood]

This thread:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s135/Sig_Nuka/point.jpg

[tree4me]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/43/i-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

[Rikachu]

If this offends -anyone-, sorry, but I HAD to:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/1305753445_b9efcbf80f_o.jpg

[dutch]

Oh yes, he will
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l72mnx0dK91qzozj1.png

[Vampire_of_Death]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/353a3457-a533-4407-85e3-dd18b49b0f05.jpg

[Rikachu]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/Jesus_facepalm.jpg
Jesus disapproves of your shenanigans.

[Rawra]

There's so much negativity in this thread. For those of you who are all up tight, here you go. Kittens make everything better.

These are adorable!!! And these Jesus things don't offend me. They amuse me, lol.

Can anybody press this button, already?
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac282/zooey_d1/imagesshut.jpg

[whiterider]

Bitch, don't you mess with Jesus!
http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24650_101221115201alt1_jesus_christ_big.jpg

[appelsapgodin]

Oh my, I'm starting to feel all warm and fuzzy inside..

You guys realise this is the first time in the debate forum the religious and the atheist have teamed up for a shared cause? I wouldn't be surprised if I go outside later and see a flock of pigs fly over.

Maybe I should have known. It has been snowing here for the past 2 weeks and I've called this place Hell many times before.

[Nekowolf]

Bish. I present:

http://www.yummies4tummies.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/to-hell.jpg

http://ekonefe.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hell_froze_sign.jpg

My home state has real Hell.

[appelsapgodin]

Oh, well, sorry.... ;-) I'll go back to calling this place by it's original name then: Rottendamn.

http://gallery.wewt.net/albums/funny/derail.jpg

[dutch]

@Zela: Yep, the pictures seriously saved this thread. I read the first post and I was like
http://i48.tinypic.com/2s9rclu.gif

[Zela]

http://www.straightrazorplace.com/forums/attachments/razors/28705d1249474228-my-new-straight-razor-stand-44789.-thread-completely-useless-without-images-1-.jpg

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/goingplaces.jpg

It has made my day though. :)

[Ledgo]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l33/Ledgo/GOOFD.jpg

The only thing I can say at this point with the direction of this thread to the OP.

[whiterider]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/17/cce6aa9e-c40c-4ae7-aebe-d7780d6fc009.gif

[wickedblue]

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24654_101221170342lol-cats_i-love-this-thread-so-much.jpg

[dutch]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/0b0e26ba-5eed-4108-9277-557bceefd6f0.gif

[Nekowolf]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/funny-pictures-cat-is-in-trash.jpg

[el_flel]

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/24655_101221174207hypnotoad.jpg

[pksstr]

i Was reading and then i see the images and then i think..


WTF!?

[Arisuka]

Why did I come back..
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/62302d94eca88c46722f3f4f29353177.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4158)

Oh yeah, to talk about God!

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/62/Motivation_-_JC_and_the_Dinossaurs.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=3586)

[Rawra]

^^Totally agree :P

[whiterider]

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/3884222/WHY-DID-THE-KILLJOY-CROSS-THE-ROAD-WHO-CARES-THEYRE-DEAD-HAR-HAR-HAR.jpg

[appelsapgodin]

It ain't dead, Whiterider. It's necromancing around the whole forum.

http://pawsru.org/fc/src/fc84041_Thread_Necromancy.jpg

[kiwi_tea]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/walruskeeper/Comfortfood.png

Agree with poster above. It's *almost* impressive the number of thread zombies.

I like how none of the macros have been as inane as the first few posts, too.

[Nekowolf]

Appel; that is the greatest necro macro I have ever seen.

[iCad]

Yanno, the macros are fun and all, and I do believe that the OP is just seeking to stir up the dookie, but in an attempt to actually make this sort of on topic, I would just like to point out to the OP that stating one's opinion is not debating. In order to have a debate, one has to support one's premises. So, to the OP: Your premise before sliding off into irrelevant opinion, was that "Man created God." Your evidence for this? Do you have your notes handy from the meeting of all of humanity during which the concept of deity in general (For there are far more gods out there than the Judeo-Christian one) was invented? Because otherwise, we just don't know how the concept came to be.

In reality, it seems that the ability to have faith in something, to believe in things unseen, and to see patterns where none truly exist (which sometimes, though not always, informs "religious experience") is hardwired into us. It's also quite well documented that our brains can enter a very different electrochemical state with some odd neural activity when praying or meditatingthat does not happen when engaging in other types of "thought exercises"." This may allow us to actually perceive a deity or "higher power" of some sort...or may just make us think that we can/do. All I know for sure is that my own "turning point" spiritual experiences have always occurred while I was in prayer or deep meditation. (I do both, the latter a holdover from many years spent practicing Buddhism.)

So, there is some evidence of "wiring" of some type. Why we have such wiring and where it came from is still up for debate, of course. Whatever the case, some of us consciously put any "faith tendency" aside, "reason" it away. Some of us don't. Some of us have had personal experiences that have strengthened our "faith tendency." Some of us haven't. Some of us seem to be afraid of faith, in a sense, afraid to believe in something without evidence. Some of us aren't afraid of that at all. This is a result of different people being...well, different. :)

So in short, one's own unsupported opinions and personal experiences do not trump the unsupported opinions and personal experiences of others, no matter what one believes.

[appelsapgodin]

iCad. I completely agree with you there. I think it is a survival mechanism. If you can believe everything will be allright later, it maybe easier to go through stress, fear, hunger etc.

But the OP really doesn't want to have a proper debate about religion. It just wants to troll around and pump up its posting rate. Complete dumb n00b behaviour. It's 16 and it's parents probably don't understand them, hence venting their opion about the world on unsuspecting members here.

Why do I know it doesn't want a proper debate? Because it didn't post in the designated religion-debate threads. So, I don't really think the OP will give you a proper response. The only thing you can expect is something shouty and vile.

Your line of thought there might be good for another debate thread though... as long as it's more about the mechanism itself I would be willing to participate there. (As opposed to linking it completely to religion, because I stay out of religion-threads if I can't post mocking macros.)

@nekowolf: Thank you. I kinda liked these ones too:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/international-politics/18309d1264018105-racism-ignorance-laziness-just-plain-stupidity-necromancy.jpg http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/threadNecromancy.jpg

[itsnotozzyitsozzy]

I am a thread necromancer lol, But I think that will get me banned so I should stop -.-
It's funny how RANDOM this has become 0.o

[Kailacat]

Okay then... but
http://i55.tinypic.com/16hn20z.jpg

[kiwi_tea]

Your premise before sliding off into irrelevant opinion, was that "Man created God." Your evidence for this?

I would have thought the fact that there is no sign of (a) god(s/'s) existence outside of human mythology would be a rather compelling piece of evidence itself. That alongside the fact that human experiences of god(s) are hugely inconsistent, not to mention inconsistent with observed reality (anyone for transubstatiation?)

In reality, it seems that the ability to have faith in something, to believe in things unseen, and to see patterns where none truly exist (which sometimes, though not always, informs "religious experience") is hardwired into us.

Weeeeell. Sort of yes. It's not an argument in favour for religion, it suggests that superstition (or faith) is a by-product of our evolved capacity for abstract thought. Intuitively that makes perfect sense: "Can't work out how rain happens? Invent a spirit/god to explain." In the absence of more refined critical thinking, gods make sense. The problem is some machiavellian idiot somewhere along the line thought up a nasty little framework for making them viral and persistent. OP's argument was incoherent at best, I couldn't follow it. But the fact that a propensity towards credulousness and invention is hardwired into us is only a compelling explanation as to how gods may have come into existence and in that sense lends much more support to the brief lucid* comments of OP than it does to any faith claims.

It's also quite well documented that our brains can enter a very different electrochemical state with some odd neural activity when praying or meditating that does not happen when engaging in other types of "thought exercises"." This may allow us to actually perceive a deity or "higher power" of some sort...or may just make us think that we can/do.

You're a reasonable person, iCad, surely you can see that this isn't unique to prayer. You say it yourself. It's also...

...bah, actually. Screw this. I can see the specious special pleading and fallacious rationalisation coming a mile away. There's only one way to debate with the truly faithful, and that's:

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/061/297/original/nickcage.jpeg?1279885944

I win.

* I guess I'm using the loosest definition of "lucid" possible here.

[gabrielorie]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-mythbuster-cat.jpg

[Nekowolf]

http://myspace.roflposters.com/images/rofl/myspace/1225340980767.jpg.%5Broflposters.com%5D.myspace.jpg

[gabrielorie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b3GHoGMBNpY/TK-VTf9nYzI/AAAAAAAAFEQ/qrZxirHInDM/s640/Force+Field+LOLCat.jpg

[ElementMK]

http://i55.tinypic.com/11l6e09.jpg

[kiwi_tea]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/walruskeeper/34876_142493142434365_100000210398747_429495_2863574_n.jpg

[fakepeeps7]

I :lovestruc this thread.

[kattenijin]

Image


Umm....I don't get this one, can someone kindly explain it to me?!

[kiwi_tea]

I think it might more sense to you if:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/walruskeeper/1281452690600.jpg

~ (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/haters-gonna-hate)

[gabrielorie]

http://www.enews.org/blog/_pics/lolcat.jpg

[kiwi_tea]

I can't help it. I love this one so much. Always and forever. It's my soulmate.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129144614332424537.jpg

[Lance]

kiwi_tea, your picture made my day :lol:

[Rawra]

Second time I agree with Lance. This is going well.
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac282/zooey_d1/lolcatsdotcom1evls0ysqclgvzwn.jpg

[Lance]

TheCreeper, it seems trolling threads unite people :)

[SuicidiaParasidia]

i want a "what?" button made/applied for the reason of........ this entire topic.

[DarthCookie]

I love this thread, and the OP has somewhat of a point, but he was insulting others while trying to prove it. And that is never good, or in this case its funny and attracts LOL-pics. But I am and will always be a strong believer in God, and no one can ever change my mind. Everyone has their own beliefs and should be entitled to them, its not the 16th century anymore, we can believe what we want. And believing in God is NOT childish, nor do we have to grow up. Just like I'm not attacking you being and Atheist, you can be whatever you want. Because when it all comes down to it, we all die and we all see that other side. So I will want to hear what you believe then when your on the other side.

This is just my opinion, no attacking here. :D

[Nekowolf]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t_xlGGymR7U/TALmuGMQsZI/AAAAAAAAD4s/1zax18kvfxY/s800/Tell+the+Truth.jpg

[vhanster]

i want a "what?" button made/applied for the reason of........ this entire topic.

Same here. I don't see any purpose of this entire topic other than a misguided attempt to insult religion. Besides any debate on religion and whether or not God exists could be posted in the (Un)Religion Threads here.

[jay_envy]

TL;DR (okay I read a little bit)

I guess I would consider myself atheist as well, but that doesn't give anybody the right to rag on other people for their beliefs. Let them believe what they want, its not hurting you any. The only religious people who you need to worry about are the bat-shit crazy ones, but I don't think you'll find any of those on a sims forum. :faceslap: