Have you seen a pitbull before, EA?

[Zokugai]

Here's the SMALL BREED dog EA refers to as a pit bull.

http://i.imgur.com/BmchX.png

Here's a pit bull.

http://www.pitbullproject.ca/may.jpg

Am I missing something here?

[Scarity]

Dogs and Cats have as much face differences (I cannot know the word I mean?) as humans, I have seen lots of pit bulls that look like that, except the top of the head and nose isn't as flat. They are not all saggy-faces...

http://www.walkerfireauxiliary.org/Images/2009%20Mayoral%20Election/Missy%20(Small).jpg

are you sure it doesnt say Pit Bull Terrier??

http://americanpitbull.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/american_pit_bull_terrier_-_seated_sm.jpg

[kiwi_tea]

Whereas if you bred a hare with a dog, I'm pretty sure it would look like EA's "pitbull".

[prettiammie2005]

They were thinking of a bull terrier, I think. Definitely not the same breed.

eta: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5971/16284lespresdhermarebul.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/16284lespresdhermarebul.jpg/)

One is Frankenweenie, the other is not. :3

[Zokugai]

I don't even mean the face or anything. I mean the fact that they made a dog I've repeatedly seen hit the ninety pound range into an ankle-height little rat.

And no, there's a separate bull terrier. Same basic look and size but clearly a bull terrier.

[prettiammie2005]

I know there's a seperate one, too! It's weird, cause they are both clearly bull terriers. Pitbulls don't have the 'roman nose' like a bull terrier, they have more a slope from their foreheads to their muzzles. And yeah, it's weird seeing them in small breed regardless. Pitbulls are DEFINITELY not small dogs, even if they are sometimes stout.

[heaven]

I haven't looked closely but they have an American Staffordshire Terrier (I remember briefly hovering over the name) in the large dog section. I know it's not the same as the American Pit Bull Terrier but do they look more similar?

[Zokugai]

I haven't looked closely but they have an American Staffordshire Terrier (I remember briefly hovering over the name) in the large dog section. I know it's not the same as the American Pit Bull Terrier but do they look more similar?

Far more. Granted, you can have scrawny pit bulls. But I'm sorry, EA, they don't make chihuahua-sized pit bulls. They just don't.

[heaven]

The average size for an APBT is 35-55 pounds. Usually the larger ones are rare or cross-bred with a larger breed. Maybe EA would classify that as the smaller breeds (I really need to get into the create-a-pet section). However, that first shot is CERTAINLY not a pit bull of any standard. :lol:

[eskie227]

Errr....nothing against pit bulls, but why is the mouth of that pit bull in the first post (sitting next to the little girl) so red? Is that lipstick, or really blood from someone it just bit? :blink:

Clearly EA was not exactly following AKC breed standards for managing the appearance of the breeds. As a past owner of one, their American Eskimo looks like...well...not really close to the real breed. It took about an hour of working with the new pet sliders to get something that resembled my dog. Also, why do they have an Eskimo as a premade breed, but not Labrador Retrievers. They're far more common than Eskimos, and, given the basic large stock dog body used by the game, a lot easier to make. Long haired dogs seem to lose their hair when zoomed out, making them look pretty ridiculous.

[HarVee]

Of course EA has never seen a real Pit bull, you'd never see a Pit bull if you were having to work behind a desk 24/7 to dish out these Expansion packs every 6-8 months..

[Zokugai]

Errr....nothing against pit bulls, but why is the mouth of that pit bull in the first post (sitting next to the little girl) so red? Is that lipstick, or really blood from someone it just bit? :blink:
It has pink skin and it just looks weird in that light.

Also, why do they have an Eskimo as a premade breed, but not Labrador Retrievers. They're far more common than Eskimos, and, given the basic large stock dog body used by the game, a lot easier to make.
Whoa, they don't have labs? I just assumed they did. Heck, you could make that the basic Create A Dog bodytype, it's sort of what you assume a dog looks like. That's just weird.

[heaven]

Whoa, they don't have labs? I just assumed they did. Heck, you could make that the basic Create A Dog bodytype, it's sort of what you assume a dog looks like. That's just weird.

I too think this is crazy! Labs are one of the most common dog breeds I believe. However, they do have a Chesapeake Bay Retriever which is similar to the lab but with a different type of coat. They have curly hair (and are adorable)! I also heard that they made 'designer mutts' like labradoodles...really EA? Really? :rolleyes:

[wolfsbayne]

They've never seen a cavalier king charles spaniel before either.

[Zokugai]

I too think this is crazy! Labs are one of the most common dog breeds I believe. However, they do have a Chesapeake Bay Retriever which is similar to the lab but with a different type of coat. They have curly hair (and are adorable)! I also heard that they made 'designer mutts' like labradoodles...really EA? Really? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah. They've made designer mutts I haven't even heard of, and I worked around dogs for years. But a lab? Noooo.

But tbh I wouldn't even care...if I could change the coat without the dogs being listed as mixbreed. Because if you could, then you could just fix it yourself (give the Chessie short hair for instance and call it a lab). But no, then they'll be classed as a mutt. And the bichon/cocker spanial mix is a purebred. I see.

[Scarity]

Because if you could, then you could just fix it yourself (give the Chessie short hair for instance and call it a lab). But no, then they'll be classed as a mutt.

You CAN do that. :) you have to save it as a new breed for the game to know what breed it is.

It doesn't know what you to be called unless you tell it what to call the dog.. :faceslap:

[Zokugai]

You CAN do that. :) you have to save it as a new breed for the game to know what breed it is.

It doesn't know what you to be called unless you tell it what to call the dog.. :faceslap:

Where are you seeing to save a new breed? There's options to save it as a new COLOR. But that doesn't affect the breed.

[RylandHomes]

I also haven't seen an option to save as a new breed.. I'd surly like to know where it's hiding though!

[insane_in_charlie_shirt]

Yeah, EA haven't seen a lot of dogs I think. Maybe they once caught a pit bull out of the corner of their eye as they walked down the street?

The pittie in the first picture is gorgeous, is he/she yours?

*Sigh* I wish I could own one of these guys, probably one of my favorite breeds, but sadly my country has banned them. But when I find a better one for the game I can give one to my sims :D

[HarVee]

I also haven't seen an option to save as a new breed.. I'd surly like to know where it's hiding though!

Hopefully EA will introduce that feature in a future patch.

[Zokugai]

Yeah, EA haven't seen a lot of dogs I think. Maybe they once caught a pit bull out of the corner of their eye as they walked down the street?

The pittie in the first picture is gorgeous, is he/she yours?

*Sigh* I wish I could own one of these guys, probably one of my favorite breeds, but sadly my country has banned them. But when I find a better one for the game I can give one to my sims :D

Nahh, google. I used to work for an animal shelter doing training, though, so I'm definitely familiar with them.

[RylandHomes]

And actually, according to the AKC, the Pit Bull is actually a mix breed that has been bred with dogs of similar pedigrees (breeding the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=staffordshire+bull+terrier&oq=staffordshire+bull+terrier&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=49714l50847l0l51111l7l7l1l0l0l1l209l844l3.1.2l6l0) with the Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=bull+terrier&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbnid=0sOOtv7NywRovM:&imgrefurl=http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/bullterrierphotos.html&docid=AnsNpVl64ii1jM&imgurl=http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/img/bt.jpg&w=360&h=325&ei=R_CmTu-7CdK_tgeXnvwa&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1384&vpy=176&dur=2744&hovh=213&hovw=236&tx=161&ty=115&sig=115094221318939732942&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=150&start=0&ndsp=54&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&biw=1920&bih=950), which in turn made it's new breed, The American Pit Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=american+pitbull+terrier&oq=american+pit&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=3395l5882l0l7408l12l10l0l2l2l0l188l1003l3.5l8l0), which still has not been accepted as a pure breed, there for unable to be shown.
Zokugai & Scarity, the dog breed in the pictures you provided are actually referred to by the AKC as a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=staffordshire+bull+terrier&oq=staffordshire+bull+terrier&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=49714l50847l0l51111l7l7l1l0l0l1l209l844l3.1.2l6l0) , which is in the game. If you want an American Pitbull Terrior, then bred the Staffordshire Terrier and the Bull Terrier. ;)

[J. M. Pescado]

Dogs and Cats have as much face differences (I cannot know the word I mean?) as humansCompared to dogs or cats, humans are basically genetically homogenous.

[insane_in_charlie_shirt]

The thing is, Pit Bull is a term thrown around for any bully looking breed. And because there isn't a set standard for them there, as such, there is a great variation in the breeds looks that whatever EA had done someone would be able to pull up a picture and say 'look! it's wrong' but as it is, I guess they just wanted us all to be able to do that and went with something nothing like the actual breed.

The APBT is recognised by the UKC and so does have a standard, but I think it's a bit like labradors. There is what is most common and what is standard. With labs you're more likely to see something akin to the working style - a bit sleeker and lighter, not to big, medium sized dog. But show standard labs (In the GBKC anyways) are large, broad and not what a lot of people think of when they think Labrador.

Hell, I don't even think the Jack Russel is a real breed if you just go by recognition. The Parson Russel, yes, but not the normal Jack.

[Shhh]

[QUOTE=eskie227]...or really blood from someone it just bit? :blink: QUOTE]

Do you think anyone would let their child sit next to/on a dog that just attacked someone? It looks quite friendly really :bunny:

[eskie227]

Do you think anyone would let their child sit next to/on a dog that just attacked someone? It looks quite friendly really :bunny:

I would hope not, but then again people do strange things :jest: (not directed at you Zokugai, it's actually a cute pic, just funny how the colors came out).

[Zokugai]

Hell, I don't even think the Jack Russel is a real breed if you just go by recognition. The Parson Russel, yes, but not the normal Jack.

Haha, funny you should mention that...since the Parson Russell is one of the breeds you can use.

One of the LARGE breeds you can use. Someone's just messing with us at this point.

http://i.imgur.com/Nxquh.jpg

[lilajean]

I just finished a Black Lab and am waiting on the results on if it can be uploaded or not. I have the worst luck trying to upload on this site or i would have a bunch of stuff lol. Here's a pic though it's hard to get the lighten right when it's a black lab :P

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/lilajean/FullBodyShot.jpg

[kiatyn]

[QUOTE=eskie227]...or really blood from someone it just bit? :blink: QUOTE]

Do you think anyone would let their child sit next to/on a dog that just attacked someone? It looks quite friendly really :bunny:

Pitbulls have long been considered a kid's pet, before they got the bad rep. See here for a simple, straightforward article: http://www.pitbulls.org/article/are-pit-bulls-dangerous

[Zokugai]

I just finished a Black Lab and am waiting on the results on if it can be uploaded or not. I have the worst luck trying to upload on this site or i would have a bunch of stuff lol. Here's a pic though it's hard to get the lighten right when it's a black lab :P

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/lilajean/FullBodyShot.jpg

Certainly looks more like the breed than most of the EA breeds...

[Shhh]

I also think the owners make a difference to the way the animals behave. My friends always thought German Shepards were very, very dangerous. Yes, they are big in size, but most of them are gentle giants. When I went to France, this German Shepard, Jackie, would leave balls and rocks everywhere for us to throw. She one of the gentlest dogs I have ever met. The others are:

Labradors
Dobermans
Golden Retrievers
Labradoodles :D .
1 Chiwawa (Not sure how to spell)

They are all big dogs. Nastiest dogs I have met:


1 Chiwawa
Jack Russel
Wolfganger or something.

[CocoMouse]

And actually, according to the AKC, the Pit Bull is actually a mix breed that has been bred with dogs of similar pedigrees (breeding the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=staffordshire+bull+terrier&oq=staffordshire+bull+terrier&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=49714l50847l0l51111l7l7l1l0l0l1l209l844l3.1.2l6l0) with the Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=bull+terrier&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbnid=0sOOtv7NywRovM:&imgrefurl=http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/bullterrierphotos.html&docid=AnsNpVl64ii1jM&imgurl=http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/img/bt.jpg&w=360&h=325&ei=R_CmTu-7CdK_tgeXnvwa&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1384&vpy=176&dur=2744&hovh=213&hovw=236&tx=161&ty=115&sig=115094221318939732942&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=150&start=0&ndsp=54&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&biw=1920&bih=950), which in turn made it's new breed, The American Pit Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=american+pitbull+terrier&oq=american+pit&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=3395l5882l0l7408l12l10l0l2l2l0l188l1003l3.5l8l0), which still has not been accepted as a pure breed, there for unable to be shown.
Zokugai & Scarity, the dog breed in the pictures you provided are actually referred to by the AKC as a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=950&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=staffordshire+bull+terrier&oq=staffordshire+bull+terrier&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=49714l50847l0l51111l7l7l1l0l0l1l209l844l3.1.2l6l0) , which is in the game. If you want an American Pitbull Terrior, then bred the Staffordshire Terrier and the Bull Terrier. ;)

There's also the American Staffordshire Terrier, that's different from Staffordshire Bull Terrier (I forget which one is in the game) - American Staffordshire Terriers can be registered as American Pit Bull Terriers in the UKC, so they're considered the same thing there, but the AKC recognizes AmStaffs but not APBT's.. it's confusing :wtf:

[LeannexChii]

[QUOTE=Shhh]

Pitbulls have long been considered a kid's pet, before they got the bad rep. See here for a simple, straightforward article: http://www.pitbulls.org/article/are-pit-bulls-dangerous

Glad someone pointed this out. Here it's staffordshire bull terriers that get a bad rep since Pits are banned to own and breed in the UK though there are plenty around amongst the illegal dog fighting trade.

I wanted to make a lab too and a jrt. My mum has 2 of each and was a bit gutted it wasn't in the premade. At least the St Bernard actually looks almost like a Saint this time. TS2 saint was terrible. There are a lot of uncommon breeds in the breed list. I think it would have been nice to have a shetland pony in the horses breed list too.

[Rockerduck]

EAxis and animals = fail.

I used to replace most of the premade dog breeds in "The Sims2: Pets" because they looked like aliens from outer space. Of course, you were able to save new breeds in TS2, and TS3 is definitely lacking that option. Have you seen the Arabian horse? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

[SimsLover50]

The papillion which is my favorite dog was butchered by EA. Without the hair on the ears the dogs designed by EA look far too stout and funky. I don't have a screenshot, but the EA version of the dog is just wrong.

[prettiammie2005]

A lot of dog bites are perpetrated by small breed dogs, rather than large breed, but a lot of the bites go unreported. When a large-breed dog attacks, the wounds can be very severe, so many more people take notice of it.

Small breed dogs tend to be spoiled (especially toy breeds) and carried around and treated like baby humans. A lot of owners who treat their small breeds like this are angry at the victim when their dog bites.

I can't say too much, as I have an aggressive dog myself who has attacked someone once. He is a large breed dog, and the bite wound he did inflict was severe (not deadly, and he bit the victim in the leg and not the face). The only thing I can say is that I was a child when my mother bought him for me and I knew nothing about needing to socialize your dog.

A lot of times this is how aggressive dogs are made. People don't know anything about the care that dogs require, and so the dog doesn't recieve proper training. Some owners are worse and train their dogs to be aggressive and they are the worst kind of people (with the exception of 'working dogs' like police dogs and actual guard dogs).

With proper training for the OWNER, there is very little chance of a dog becoming aggressive. Hating on one breed of dog and claiming that they are the cause of all dog bites is silly. Any dog has the ability to become aggressive without proper socialization and training, regardless of breed. No dog is more likely to attack because of breed alone. Even dogs with aggressive parents have the potential to be sweethearts, if they are properly socialized and cared for.

Ok, that being said, everyone feel free to get back on topic haha.

[Rockerduck]

A lot of dog bites are perpetrated by small breed dogs, rather than large breed, but a lot of the bites go unreported. When a large-breed dog attacks, the wounds can be very severe, so many more people take notice of it.

Small breed dogs tend to be spoiled (especially toy breeds) and carried around and treated like baby humans. A lot of owners who treat their small breeds like this are angry at the victim when their dog bites.

I can't say too much, as I have an aggressive dog myself who has attacked someone once. He is a large breed dog, and the bite wound he did inflict was severe (not deadly, and he bit the victim in the leg and not the face). The only thing I can say is that I was a child when my mother bought him for me and I knew nothing about needing to socialize your dog.

A lot of times this is how aggressive dogs are made. People don't know anything about the care that dogs require, and so the dog doesn't recieve proper training. Some owners are worse and train their dogs to be aggressive and they are the worst kind of people (with the exception of 'working dogs' like police dogs and actual guard dogs).

With proper training for the OWNER, there is very little chance of a dog becoming aggressive. Hating on one breed of dog and claiming that they are the cause of all dog bites is silly. Any dog has the ability to become aggressive without proper socialization and training, regardless of breed. No dog is more likely to attack because of breed alone. Even dogs with aggressive parents have the potential to be sweethearts, if they are properly socialized and cared for.

Ok, that being said, everyone feel free to get back on topic haha.

Welp, I agree on all accounts. I won't even pretend I've read all of the previous discussion as I'm certain it's been said a thousand times before (it's always an issue, isn't it?).
It comes down to a very simple fact: Most dogs aren't inherently aggressive unless the unfortunate critters were bred in puppy mills etc and have poor socialisation skills. My own dog was always very insecure around other dogs due to her history (adopted her from a shelter) and she even used to go rampant and bite us when she experienced situations she couldn't handle while she was the sweetest thing ever at home.
It comes down to dog owners needing to be aware of their responsibility and having to responsibly deal with their dogs. No matter their size. It's usually the owner's "fault" if a dog misbehaves since most people give too many mixed signals wheras dogs (especially insecure ones) need to feel secure and know their place to be happy. As shallow as this may sound it's true. I'm not talking of subduing a dog, merely the fact that a dog needs to know it's safe and not expected to act unless being told.

Erm. Yea, sorry.

[RylandHomes]

There's also the American Staffordshire Terrier, that's different from Staffordshire Bull Terrier (I forget which one is in the game) - American Staffordshire Terriers can be registered as American Pit Bull Terriers in the UKC, so they're considered the same thing there, but the AKC recognizes AmStaffs but not APBT's.. it's confusing :wtf:

I think the reason that they can't be registered with the AKC is because of their aggressive reputation. Idky, but you're right... it's very confusing.

[HystericalParoxysm]

I swear if we get into a pitbull wank because EA is crappy at making premade pet breeds, Imma headdesk till I bleed.

[Rockerduck]

I swear if we get into a pitbull wank because EA is crappy at making premade pet breeds, Imma headdesk till I bleed.

Awww, don't. It's just a way to pass time until we can replace those horrible alien breeds. :P

[Zokugai]

I swear if we get into a pitbull wank because EA is crappy at making premade pet breeds, Imma headdesk till I bleed.

You could consider it motivation to find us a way to save pet breeds...

[Bij0ux]

I own a bull terrier in real life and I almost choke when I saw that "pitbull" haha! But it's not that bad in my opinion because in the bigger breeds tab you do have some kind of pitbulls/amstaff etc and if it doesn't look much like what you think is the representation of the breed, with the sliders you can achieve it. (though for some breeds like the cavalier & papillon etc I understand the frustration)

What I think is really worth to complain about is the fact that you cannot transform a small dog into a big dog. For example the bull terrier (because of course it's the breed I know the most about) can come in 2 sizes, miniature and standard. My EBT is not the size of a chihuahua and the standard is the most known kind of bull terrier. I find it really upsetting that I can't just choose the small EBT and turn it into a big dog which I ask Graham Nardone about and he told me that you could (before release)! Yet it is impossible to create a bigger version of an EBT with the offered sliders for the big dogs.

[CocoMouse]

I just looked in the CAP demo and it has American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and "Pit Bull Terrier" in large breeds, they all look pretty much the same... And there's also a different Staffordshire Bull Terrier in small breeds (if they could make two sizes for that one, why not for other breeds like Bull Terriers?)

[Zokugai]

Really I just want to know when Jack Russells became large breed dogs.

[insane_in_charlie_shirt]

Haha, funny you should mention that...since the Parson Russell is one of the breeds you can use.

One of the LARGE breeds you can use. Someone's just messing with us at this point.

http://i.imgur.com/Nxquh.jpg

My guess is they flipped a coin for anything medium sized.
I mean, American Eskimo, Bedlington, Soft coated Wheaton, Staffie and Brittany aren't exactly large dogs either. Admitedly the parson is even smaller than these guys, but still. I can't quite see what their cut-off point for large and small was.

And to think it all could have been settled by adding one extra size option.

[Zokugai]

My guess is they flipped a coin for anything medium sized.
I mean, American Eskimo, Bedlington, Soft coated Wheaton, Staffie and Brittany aren't exactly large dogs either. Admitedly the parson is even smaller than these guys, but still. I can't quite see what their cut-off point for large and small was.

And to think it all could have been settled by adding one extra size option.

I've since realized there's also a smallbreed Parson. Plus a Jack Russell. I guess no one told EA it would have been easier if they just made it the right size the first time rather than having to make a dozen versions of the same basic dog.

[charmedqueen]

I was fully disappointed in EA to find 'pitbulls' listed as a small breed. Here I had a hope of being able to quickly recreate my dog Luna...
I think EA should've made three different sizes for dogs, since I can't see a bunch of those dogs being the same size as a chihuahua.

[SyrupFiend]

I also found it pretty shocking that they classified Black Russian Terriers as a small breed. Just because it has terrier in the name doesn't make it small. This breed is ENORMOUS, and are as big as giant schnauzers. EA needs to do a bit more research methinks :p

Black Russian Terrier:

http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0S0zvh.I6pO6Q4Aj25NBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dblack%2Brussian%2Bterrier%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DSearch%26b%3D1%26tab%3Dorganic&w=823&h=1600&imgurl=lh5.ggpht.com%2F-PS8EISi6j4Y%2FSclLOzt46iI%2FAAAAAAAAF6c%2FL4QX-67ddBU%2FDSC_0127.JPG&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicasaweb.google.com%2Flh%2Fphoto%2FjMZ5PVeVXX8ouby8zXQKKw&size=282+KB&name=black+russian+terrier.+%28Graf%29&p=black+russian+terrier&oid=ba106465adac3f782c263b9dbe087bf3&fr2=&fr=&tt=black+russian+terrier.+%28Graf%29&b=0&ni=28&no=1&tab=organic&ts=&sigr=11r1j3f1e&sigb=13e9268p3&sigi=12b7kabn8&.crumb=FNjmnKekBOv

Definately not a small breed

[SuicidiaParasidia]

Dear EA,

Wtf?


Sincerely, MTS.

[Zokugai]

I also found it pretty shocking that they classified Black Russian Terriers as a small breed. Just because it has terrier in the name doesn't make it small. This breed is ENORMOUS, and are as big as giant schnauzers. EA needs to do a bit more research methinks :p

Black Russian Terrier:

http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0S0zvh.I6pO6Q4Aj25NBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dblack%2Brussian%2Bterrier%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DSearch%26b%3D1%26tab%3Dorganic&w=823&h=1600&imgurl=lh5.ggpht.com%2F-PS8EISi6j4Y%2FSclLOzt46iI%2FAAAAAAAAF6c%2FL4QX-67ddBU%2FDSC_0127.JPG&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicasaweb.google.com%2Flh%2Fphoto%2FjMZ5PVeVXX8ouby8zXQKKw&size=282+KB&name=black+russian+terrier.+%28Graf%29&p=black+russian+terrier&oid=ba106465adac3f782c263b9dbe087bf3&fr2=&fr=&tt=black+russian+terrier.+%28Graf%29&b=0&ni=28&no=1&tab=organic&ts=&sigr=11r1j3f1e&sigb=13e9268p3&sigi=12b7kabn8&.crumb=FNjmnKekBOv

Definately not a small breed

Oh my god. How could they possibly see that and go "Hm....small breed."

Also really, someone needs to explain to me what all these designer mutts are. I have no idea what the heck a Bocker is.

[CocoMouse]

And they have no Labrador but they do have Labradoodle and "Labradinger" (never heard of that one).
I googled it and apparently a Labradinger is a Labrador/Springer Spaniel, and a Bocker is a Beagle/Cocker Spaniel

[Zokugai]

And they have no Labrador but they do have Labradoodle and "Labradinger" (never heard of that one).
I googled it and apparently a Labradinger is a Labrador/Springer Spaniel, and a Bocker is a Beagle/Cocker Spaniel
Ahh. I was thinking maybe a bocker was bichon frise/cocker spaniel.

The more you know, I guess.

[SilentPsycho]

The German Shepherds don't look right to me, but then again I may be a bit biased due to the fact that I can't make my long-haired, all-black, German Shepherd in game without her being registered as a mutt.

[Zokugai]

Some of the horses are pretty messed up if you know anything about horses, too. The Arabian looks like a mutant and the Thoroughbred looks almost like a Quarter Horse. But of course you can't go in and fix that without them reading as mixed breed.

[lilajean]

Well my Black Lab got rejected.... so not sure what they expect, but honestly MTS is really picky.. and i read through the creator guide lines. so not sure what i did that was wrong except i didn't take the pics in the game (i saw that afterwards). but it says i need a comparison pic (had it) and that it wasn't original enough..... worked on that dog for 4 hours with a very patient Pup sitting by me posing :P So i guess i wont be uploading anything... It used to be easy to get your stuff on here but 4 hours of hard work rejected hurts. so i'm going to keep remaking the dogs into what they are supposed to look like and just keep them. (yes i know this is a rant, couldn't find a forum for it) It's bad enough when EA messed up the animals. But when i work hard on something and all i get is sorry rejected makes me want to go somewhere else and start downloading my stuff on there. Now i think i know why i hardly see any downloads on here This place has died unless your still doing ts2.

[maven2379]

Well my Black Lab got rejected.... so not sure what they expect, but honestly MTS is really picky.. and i read through the creator guide lines. so not sure what i did that was wrong except i didn't take the pics in the game (i saw that afterwards). but it says i need a comparison pic (had it) and that it wasn't original enough..... worked on that dog for 4 hours with a very patient Pup sitting by me posing :P So i guess i wont be uploading anything... It used to be easy to get your stuff on here but 4 hours of hard work rejected hurts. so i'm going to keep remaking the dogs into what they are supposed to look like and just keep them. (yes i know this is a rant, couldn't find a forum for it) It's bad enough when EA messed up the animals. But when i work hard on something and all i get is sorry rejected makes me want to go somewhere else and start downloading my stuff on there. Now i think i know why i hardly see any downloads on here This place has died unless your still doing ts2.

Sorry you got rejected, did you do the things they suggested?

[CinderEmma]

I've worked like 6 hours on working on a pattern that I ultimately rejected in submitting because I didn't think it was good enough XD I might try it again, surely I can think of something cool :) I'm sorry you were rejected, I would just try again and do anything they've said.

[lilajean]

Dear lilajean,

Thank you for your submission of "How could you forget the lovable Black Lab?" in the Pets area at MTS.

Unfortunately, the thread has not been approved at this time due to the following reasons:

General - Does not meet Creator Guideline requirements
Please take the time to review the MTS Creator Guidelines.

This rejection message is given when there are numerous issues with your upload, and it is clear from those issues that either you have not read or do not understand the Creator Guidelines for the section to which you are uploading.

If this is your first time uploading, do not take this as an offense. The guidelines are there to show you how to upload correctly to MTS.

If you have questions or need clarification regarding the Creator Guidelines, please post in our Creator Issues Forum before reuploading.

Pets - Does not resemble breed
While we appreciate the effort and work put into your creation, unfortunately it has not been approved at this time.

Your pet, being based on a known breed, unfortunately does not look enough like that breed when converted into the game. It is missing either unique fur, interesting features or an overall good "look" that would make say "Wow that looks just like that breed!". We advise you to try again, paying more attention to face and body sculpting as well as coat details and any unique individual quirks of the breed you are trying to emulate. Good luck.

Pets - Screenshots: Missing Comparison/Required Screenshots
Please make sure to upload at least one comparison picture if you are creating a pet based on a cartoon or real animal. Side-by-side photos with the sim pet and real animal or cartoon they are based on in the same pose are preferred and best show how close you have been able to get the likeness of your pet.

All pet uploads, cartoon or just a regular pet, require at least one closeup and at least one full-body shot. These should be in-game, not in the Create-a-Pet screen.

For examples of required screenshots on pet uploads, see that part of the Creator Guidelines, either for Sims 2 Pets or Sims 3 Pets.

I had the shots they wanted (except i realized that they needed to be ingame not cas afterwards) but other then that i'm not sure :( i posted one pic before in this thread. I'ts a lab :P they are basic looking lol nothing like a poodle :p but my dog is a full breed. and i couldnt of had a better model, but honestly working with the sliders they give you it's hard to get it exact. I guess i'll go in later and see what needs to be done.

[Zokugai]

Well my Black Lab got rejected.... so not sure what they expect, but honestly MTS is really picky.. and i read through the creator guide lines. so not sure what i did that was wrong except i didn't take the pics in the game (i saw that afterwards). but it says i need a comparison pic (had it) and that it wasn't original enough..... worked on that dog for 4 hours with a very patient Pup sitting by me posing :P So i guess i wont be uploading anything... It used to be easy to get your stuff on here but 4 hours of hard work rejected hurts. so i'm going to keep remaking the dogs into what they are supposed to look like and just keep them. (yes i know this is a rant, couldn't find a forum for it) It's bad enough when EA messed up the animals. But when i work hard on something and all i get is sorry rejected makes me want to go somewhere else and start downloading my stuff on there. Now i think i know why i hardly see any downloads on here This place has died unless your still doing ts2.
Do you have anywhere else to upload it to? I'd quite like a black lab.

By comparison picture they mean a photo of a black lab so they can compare the accuracy. As for original...that's absurd. There's a generic dun horse uploaded atm. It's pretty much identical to the EA-made one. But a breed that needs to be made because EA completely forgot them is unoriginal?

[maven2379]

I found a pitt bull in the game, it's in Large Breeds called Pitt Bull Terrier

http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv267/Maven2379/3f2584d4.png

there's the link to the picture I took of it, I tried to put it here but it's too big!

[heaven]

Well my Black Lab got rejected.... so not sure what they expect, but honestly MTS is really picky.. and i read through the creator guide lines. so not sure what i did that was wrong except i didn't take the pics in the game (i saw that afterwards). but it says i need a comparison pic (had it) and that it wasn't original enough..... worked on that dog for 4 hours with a very patient Pup sitting by me posing :P So i guess i wont be uploading anything... It used to be easy to get your stuff on here but 4 hours of hard work rejected hurts. so i'm going to keep remaking the dogs into what they are supposed to look like and just keep them. (yes i know this is a rant, couldn't find a forum for it) It's bad enough when EA messed up the animals. But when i work hard on something and all i get is sorry rejected makes me want to go somewhere else and start downloading my stuff on there. Now i think i know why i hardly see any downloads on here This place has died unless your still doing ts2.

I understand your frustration but don't take it out on the website/mods. I have gotten my fair share of rejections or changes required (still do)! I got a couple before my Fallout houses went through. Creator guidelines are in place for everyone, not just TS3.

The absolute BEST thing to do would be to take your pictures and reference pictures over to the Creator Feedback Forum, aka CFF (http://modthesims.info/forumdisplay.php?f=612), and post there. A lot of people use this to get better and to help them see things that they might have missed. I use it and a lot of great creators use it as well.

From personal experience, I can tell you that working on a project for whatever amount of time sometimes means you're too close to it. Taking a step back and looking at it, and letting other people look, gives you fresh eyes and help to make it better. It's hard to get a rejection but don't give up.

[HystericalParoxysm]

Additionally, if you have issue with a rejection, we have a forum for that - Creator Issues. This thread is not the place for it. ;)

[Rockerduck]

Some of the horses are pretty messed up if you know anything about horses, too. The Arabian looks like a mutant and the Thoroughbred looks almost like a Quarter Horse. But of course you can't go in and fix that without them reading as mixed breed.

Aye. That's my beef with EAxis, too. I really miss the "Register Breed" option we had in TS2, or a way to plain overwrite the premade breeds.

The Arabian is so horrible. I tried to make my own, what do you think? The options are fairly limited and I'm certainly not an expert on horses. :/

http://s7.directupload.net/images/111031/2ys2daxd.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/111031/kk6qdrno.jpg

[Zokugai]

Aye. That's my beef with EAxis, too. I really miss the "Register Breed" option we had in TS2, or a way to plain overwrite the premade breeds.

The Arabian is so horrible. I tried to make my own, what do you think? The options are fairly limited and I'm certainly not an expert on horses. :/

http://s7.directupload.net/images/111031/2ys2daxd.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/111031/kk6qdrno.jpg
It's certainly less cartoony and caricatured than the EA one. It's hard to get the proportions right on any of them without the ability to change body length or height. For a really bizarre example of that, look at the EA dachshund. My only idea for bettering it would be that IIRC Arabian manes and tails are traditionally left long and flowing. Also hooves attached to white legs are peachy colored. One of the markings changes hoof color. </horsegeek>

[KajaB]

I would go with a less arched neck and as Zokugai said a realistic hoof for the foot. Light feet usually have light hooves, not completely white though, more beige.

[Zokugai]

Like so:
http://www.equine-world.co.uk/about_horses/horse_images/stocking.jpg http://www.equine-world.co.uk/about_horses/horse_images/whitefetlock.jpg

[dancingwattletree]

For your horse there, is would make a nice detail for the tips of the ears to be turned in slightly, as is the case with the real breed (if it's possible).

[Zokugai]

What Dancing is referring to:

http://i.imgur.com/OwMtg.jpg

Compared to non-Arabian:

http://southboroughnews.com/images/11408horse.jpg

[dartigen]

A lot of people get pit bulls confused with bull terriers; I think it's because the names are so similar though, usually once people see a pit bull next to a bull terrier they know the difference. (With that being said, the photo on Wikipedia of a bull terrier from 1915 looks suspiciously like a pit bull...)
It's weird that EA didn't make Labradors or Lab Retrievers a default breed, I see them everywhere and they vanish from pet stores really fast here (you practically have to pre-purchase them or you won't get one).

But EA's breeds still are a long way from the actual dogs. The Border Collies and Collies particularly stood out to me, and the Boxers as well. If they had reference photos they can't have been very good ones; five seconds searching on Wikipedia gives you dozens of good reference photos from every angle you could want for almost every breed. In general, some extra/better sliders would be nice, and options for tail and leg feathering. (And better options for small marking or facial markings. It's very hard to move the markings around on that body map when they're super small.) Although I'm soooo happy they didn't make the German Shepherds roach-backed; I think the roach-backed Shepherds look deformed and weird.

In general, the dog and cat heads seem to be too big for their bodies. The horses look the best, but for a lot of them I feel their eyes are too small, and the Arabian's head looks far too exaggerated. The feathering also looks strange to me - it doesn't seem to blend in to the body properly at the top and it looks almost 'stuck-on'.

[Scarity]

Since all the dogs use the same sliders I am impressed that they got so many breeds and "close enough" of them. :) So many variety with the same build sliders is cool I think.

[GnatGoSplat]

I didn't care for their Collie either. I'm guessing they were shooting for a Rough Collie since they have the fur slider all the way up, but it looks nothing like one. The Sheltie is not too bad from the side, but the way the fur on the sides of the dog's head curves upwards instead of downwards makes the front view look really weird and nothing like a real Sheltie.

[Rockerduck]

@ people who gave me Arabian horse feedback

Hey! :D Thanks for your input and suggestions! I'm aware of the hoof colour issue btw I didn't really pay attention before I uploaded the pic as I was merely concerned about the horse's shape. I'm afraid there's not much I can do about the ears (no such slider yet) but I'll see what I can do with an increased CAS slider range. I wish we had more options for legs/hooves (hoof size, anyone?) and also more manes and tails to choose from. But I'm certain they will be made! Again, thanks for your feedback! If you're interested in downloading my Arabian "preset" (which it really is not, due to lack thereof ...), just drop me a line. You can use NRAAs' Master Controller to apply the "preset" to any horse as it allows you to load a premade Sim from the bin when you edit a Sim in game.
You can then customise fur colours et all to your liking. I frequently replace the wild horses with ones I like better that way.

[KajaB]

Thats a neat idea, thanks ^^
Regularly wtfed by weird looking wild horses with funky heads and whatnot.

[Zokugai]

The thing that gets me is how many of the EA-made, wild, or story prog created horses end up with different mane and tail colors. I swear the game must do it just to mess with me because it drives me nuts. How does an otherwise pale palomino horse wind up with a black tail? When would you ever need to make the mane and tail two different colors?

[Scarity]

When would you ever need to make the mane and tail two different colors?

for when the mane and tail are two different colors :p

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_H2PBWMGhjBc/S8cmWByNVPI/AAAAAAAAHe4/PAkTuqz16CE/s400/Palomino_Horse.jpg
http://images.myidol.americanidol.com/myidol.americanidol.com/user/horses937/horse--clydesdale3--rivoro1.jpg?v=126000

[Misanthrope]

Some of the horses are pretty messed up if you know anything about horses, too. The Arabian looks like a mutant and the Thoroughbred looks almost like a Quarter Horse. But of course you can't go in and fix that without them reading as mixed breed.
To me, a horse is a horse is a horse. There are brown horses, black horses, and then there are white horses.

I guess I'm just unsophisticated but I can't really tell different breeds apart at all. :lol:

[KajaB]

Thats perfectly normal for a non horse person.
When youve been around em for a few years you start to see the differences :)

[SharaRose]

To me, a horse is a horse is a horse.Of course, of course. (Of course?)

[Zokugai]

To me, a horse is a horse is a horse. There are brown horses, black horses, and then there are white horses.

I guess I'm just unsophisticated but I can't really tell different breeds apart at all. :lol:

There are still horse breeds I can't visually tell apart. As far as I'm concerned all the various warmbloods may as well be one breed.

But for instance, if you look hard enough, Thoroughbreds look "long": long necks, long bodies, even their heads are longer. Compared to a Quarter Horse which is all stocky muscle like the horse version of a bulldog.

[CinderEmma]

Honestly, I think EA should have focused on the dog breeds, as cats and horses could have been neglected a bit look wise with the majority of people not knowing. But dogs are really easy to mess up as the purebreeds are so distinct.
And EA, shame on you for making designer dogs! Tou cannot just give them one look! A mix between two purebreeds can have more features from the mother or father, it's entirely up to genetics! *shakes my pointer finger at them*

[amphetamine]

another breed that EA messed up severely is the pug. the game version don't look at all like the real pug, not even the coat colors are adequate. please, if someone created a decent looking pug (anything is better than the game's), message me, because i want it!

[Scarity]

Honestly, I think EA should have focused on the dog breeds, as cats and horses could have been neglected a bit look wise with the majority of people not knowing. But dogs are really easy to mess up as the purebreeds are so distinct.
And EA, shame on you for making designer dogs! Tou cannot just give them one look! A mix between two purebreeds can have more features from the mother or father, it's entirely up to genetics! *shakes my pointer finger at them*

Honestly, I think EA should have focused on the cat breeds, as dogs and horses could have been neglected a bit look wise with the majority of people not knowing. But cats are really easy to mess up as the purebreeds are so distinct.

;)

:P

[insane_in_charlie_shirt]

Oh my god. How could they possibly see that and go "Hm....small breed."

Also really, someone needs to explain to me what all these designer mutts are. I have no idea what the heck a Bocker is.

I just wish the people who breed these crosses would come up with more original breed names than what is essentially a fandom ship term for them.

For example, a cross between a Westie and a Scottie is a HuggyBear! Now isn't that more interesting than a Chiweenie or a maltipoo?

[Zokugai]

I just wish the people who breed these crosses would come up with more original breed names than what is essentially a fandom ship term for them.

For example, a cross between a Westie and a Scottie is a HuggyBear! Now isn't that more interesting than a Chiweenie or a maltipoo?

Haha, I always thought of them as the dog form of Brangelina or whatever.

[somethingelse]

when i had a chihuahua weenie dog in real life, i called him a "beanieweenie" sure someone probally could have gotten offended, cause i guess i was calling the lil mexican chihuahua dog part of him a "beaner" but the name "beanieweenie" fit him as a breed better than "chiweenie". he was a rotten lil full of beans thought he was the king of all everything till the very day his silly butt ran out in the street and got hit by a car.

i was greatly annoyed by their dauschund. ya know, the weenie dog. the legs are WAY too long. no self respecting weenie dog would be that tall.

i did notice the pitbull came in a large and small, that was interesting, i noticed the dingo looked surprisingly like a dog i used to have who was half dingo, but i didnt look really close yet at too many of the breeds. the papillion didnt look to have the silly ear thingies the breed is loved for, so i just dont know how much seriousness i can put on their "breeding" purity plans. cause if they cant even make the "purebreds" look right, i'm going to HAVE to tinker with their pixel dna

[Zokugai]

I have three dachshunds in real life and that...thing in game just weirds me out. But there isn't anything EA could have done about it short of not including the breed at all. There's no way to change the height of pets or sims. Other than the height/legs, though, the general shape is pretty accurate, especially the head.

The Papillon looks more like a longhair chihuahua than a Papillon (actually, it makes a really GOOD longhair chihuahua...) . The ears are just all wrong...and considering that's what the dogs are known for...that'd be like making a bull terrier without a roman nose.