Question about agesimscheat

[CherryFlight]

I asked this in the stupid questions thread but since it went unanswered I assume it didn't go there. I'm new, so I apologize if I do anything dumb.

Anyway, my question is this: How does using agesimscheat to move a sim to one life stage and immediately back to reset the timer affect memories, careers, and relationships, if at all? Is there anything I should know about before using this cheat? I haven't been able to find very much information on it no matter how hard I look.

[AlexandraSpears]

All I know is, if you use boolprop to age a Sim down to teen or child, their grade starts out with an F instead of a C. And if you age them down to child, here comes the Social Worker because of that F.

[joandsarah77]

I just use the simblender and I've never seen any problems with grades, they start at a C.

[Dizzy-noodles]

Hiya I have used it a few times with no ill effects.

I used it to age a teen to a child and back. I changed him back because his mum had wants of him to get an A, when I hovered over it, it said something about parents wanting teens to do well, so I aged him back up. He just had memories of 'grew up well'. The other day I accidentally aged his grandma to a teen, then back to an elder, and her husband had memories of 'Peach grew up well'. I haven't noticed anything else so far.

Hope that helps a bit!

PS Where's the Stupid Questions thread? I only ever read Sims Discussion or the Help forums.

EDIT=Oh just seen it at the top! lol! Think I win for stupidest question! :faceslap:

[Peni Griffin]

When I've experimented with aging sims down from adult to adoptable age (thus seeding the adoption pool), I've had to go into SimPE and remove the aspiration. Also, no relationships are changed; so that when I made a household full of younger versions of the Curiouses, and had to build Jenny as the mother in CAS in order to be allowed to load the family, when I aged her down to teen I had to use SimPE to make her their sister and make all their memories consistent. SimBlender may allow you to do this in-game, and it's also possible that I could have adjusted the realtionships with the Tombstone of L&D, but I didn't think to try it.

"Stupid/Random Questions" is usually the best place for something like this, but once in awhile a question gets left dangling there. It's a matter of who comes along knowing what when, and whether anybody posts right after you with a question that attracts more attention.

[CherryFlight]

So nothing too bad should happen then, since I want everything to stay consistent. Just a jump up or down and then back to the original. Thanks, everyone! And I'll try to put things in the right place from now on.

[Dizzy-noodles]

When I've experimented with aging sims down from adult to adoptable age (thus seeding the adoption pool), I've had to go into SimPE and remove the aspiration. Also, no relationships are changed; so that when I made a household full of younger versions of the Curiouses, and had to build Jenny as the mother in CAS in order to be allowed to load the family, when I aged her down to teen I had to use SimPE to make her their sister and make all their memories consistent.

How do you do that? I've only used SimPE to extract sim's appearances.

[Peni Griffin]

First, back up your neighborhood - properly, of course, not just creating a backup via the tool in SimPE.

Second, load the neighborhood in the neighborhood browser. This will take awhile.

Then, open the sim browser. You can choose whether to display Playables, Townies, NPCs, or Uneditable sims (I recommend not even looking at them except in isolation - why risk getting confused?) by clicking the appropriate boxes, and arrange them in order by any column of information - first name, household name, GUID #, age category, whatever - by clicking the header for that column. Find the sim in whom you are presently interested.

Open that sim in the Plug-in screen and go to the data screen you want using the tabs. Aspiration is under Career, with a drop-down menu giving the option of the seven (assuming you're using a FT or later version of SimPE) standard aspirations plus "Grow Up," which is unique to the younger ages. You can change anything about their career from this screen - employment field, employment level, aspiration, whatever. So, say you've seeded the adoption pool with Julien Cooke. You look under career and find that he's a child with the Popularity aspiration and a second-tier job in culinary. Select "Grow Up" in one field and "unemployed" in another, check his memories to be sure he's got no inappropriate memories (they'll probably be wiped when he's adopted, but why take chances?) and he's ready to play. The Relations tab has a drop down menu that allows you to choose, by household, the status of relationship to all other sims in the hood. So if you've aged down the Goodies to teens, you'll probably want to uncheck the box next to "married," and can instead turn them into brother and sister.

"Memories," "Wants and Fears," and a number of other things are under the "Other" tab and will once again take forever to load. These aren't as easy to change and may present you with a learning curve. You should not do anything in any part of SimPE unless you're sure you understand what it is you're doing; but there's no need to sweat it. In addition to having made a backup before you ever opened SimPE, you will have the further safeguard that SimPE won't save anything that isn't committed to. There's a "commit" button in the upper right corner of the data screen; don't hit it, and your change can't happen. The program also won't save without checking with you. So you're perfectly safe.

[Dizzy-noodles]

Thankyou for such a detailed reply! I have changed my sims relationships, so that some elders are parents of their former grandchild(Laptop), and aunt/uncle of their former daughter(Mona). I have changed their memories from 'had Mona' to 'had Laptop' and removed 'met grandchild Laptop'. I noticed their gossip memories as I was doing it. Do I need to change anyone's gossip? I made it so they had the baby (now Laptop) before they were put into the game.

Also I have made some sims cousins, siblings etc. Will they have all the memories they need or do they need some more?

Also I want to make 2 sims who live in different houses sisters to each other. I can't do it, I think they haven't met each other or something. If I make them meet in game, can I go back to SimPE and make them sisters?

Lastly, I used agesimscheat to take them from adults to elders, and they have the memory 'grew up well'. Is that normal/okay?

Sorry for all the questions! Thankyou!

[maxon]

First, back up your neighborhood - properly, of course, not just creating a backup via the tool in SimPE.
You know the back up in SimPE actually does work properly right? It makes a copy of the folder and all the files and everything.

[Mootilda]

We are going from this article:
http://simpeforum.ambertation.de/sims2/Warning-for-people-who-edit-sims-and-hoods-in-SimPE

Not only did they remove the auto backup feature, but one version of SimPE even deletes all of your existing backups.

[maxon]

I'm not talking about bak files, I'm talking about the backup facility in the neighbourhood browser screen. As it states, in fact, in that note from Inge. As she says:

"You can do this manually, or you can use SimPE’s backup manager, in the Neighborhood Browser."

[Peni Griffin]

Almost anybody here knows more about the mechanical things than I do. Given that we all know making a backup before you ever open SimPE works, and there have been issues with people thinking they made a full backup when they didn't through SimPE, I'm going to keep plumping for copying the neighborhood file my ownself before opening the program. Who needs another delay in getting to the stuff you want to do with it, anyway? Copy/pasting the neighborhood file doesn't slow you down significantly.

As for making sims who haven't met each other related, you can do that with the Relations tab if you click on the option to show both related and unrelated sims in the chosen household. Make sure you do it from both sides and work out the ramifications - when I decided that Madge Estic and Mary Munny were sisters, I had to do it once for each of them, and then go to their sons, Ernest Munny and Dom Estic, and make them cousins of each other and nephews of their respective aunts.

It is also possible to set many of these relationships using the Family Ties data screens, and in some ways this is easier, if a little more intimidating. For one thing, if you check a "make consistent" box in Family Ties a lot of the cross-referencing will be done for you - once Madge and Mary were sisters, Ernest and Dom would have been nephews and cousins automatically. But you can only actually see relationships to one sim at a time, and if you're doing a lot of these you'll want to double-check them anyway. Also, it's way too late for me to go opening the program and explaining the procedure in detail, and my link to the thread (on MATY, I think) where I learned to do it got lost in the Great Crash. So excuse me for not explaining that process more fully. I've only done it a few times; whereas I fiddle around in the Sim Browser all the time, mostly checking things, and I very laboriously created all my backstory family ties using the SimBrowser before I found out about Family Ties, so I'm pretty confident describing that bit off the top of my head.

[maxon]

Almost anybody here knows more about the mechanical things than I do. Given that we all know making a backup before you ever open SimPE works, and there have been issues with people thinking they made a full backup when they didn't through SimPE, I'm going to keep plumping for copying the neighborhood file my ownself before opening the program. Who needs another delay in getting to the stuff you want to do with it, anyway? Copy/pasting the neighborhood file doesn't slow you down significantly.
Well, to be fair neither does using the facility in SimPE since that's all it does too. Sorry - this 'OMG SimPE backup doesn't work and can ruin your game' thing bothers me a bit. It's just this sort of commentary that led to less experienced players saying 'OMG boolprop can ruin your game.'

Anyway...

As for making sims who haven't met each other related, you can do that with the Relations tab if you click on the option to show both related and unrelated sims in the chosen household. Make sure you do it from both sides and work out the ramifications - when I decided that Madge Estic and Mary Munny were sisters, I had to do it once for each of them, and then go to their sons, Ernest Munny and Dom Estic, and make them cousins of each other and nephews of their respective aunts.

It is also possible to set many of these relationships using the Family Ties data screens, and in some ways this is easier, if a little more intimidating. For one thing, if you check a "make consistent" box in Family Ties a lot of the cross-referencing will be done for you - once Madge and Mary were sisters, Ernest and Dom would have been nephews and cousins automatically. But you can only actually see relationships to one sim at a time, and if you're doing a lot of these you'll want to double-check them anyway. Also, it's way too late for me to go opening the program and explaining the procedure in detail, and my link to the thread (on MATY, I think) where I learned to do it got lost in the Great Crash. So excuse me for not explaining that process more fully. I've only done it a few times; whereas I fiddle around in the Sim Browser all the time, mostly checking things, and I very laboriously created all my backstory family ties using the SimBrowser before I found out about Family Ties, so I'm pretty confident describing that bit off the top of my head.
Does this pic help. I agree that using family ties is less useful though it does show the relationships in a graphic way which is sometimes more helpful. I change the relationships in the sim's relationship panel too. That graphic is numbered in the steps I take to get there. I don't use the sim browser much, I go straight to Sim Description but it doesn't matter how you get there.

Edit: try again
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j49/Maxon/RelationshipPanel1.jpg
Sorry - the fuzziness must be the site. It's perfectly clear on the desktop and on photobukkit.

[Dizzy-noodles]

Thankyou for answering!

I have had a read, and also re-read the SimPE tutorials and forums, and I realised what I wasn't doing was right-clicking on the sims picture! 'Make consistent' was ticked automatically but I checked them all anyway. I did all mine from Sim Browser aswell, as that's what I have used most before.

The picture does help, it confirmed that I was on the right screen and almost getting it right! Don't worry about fuzziness, you can still see all the bits you need I think.

Thankyou very much! :)