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Old 27th Mar 2012, 03:01 AM #26
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Are we the Ultimate Achievement in evolution ? (We made it ! We win !)
Is actual human race a link between our ancestors and something about to come ? (Then what is about to come ?)
Is human being a dead end, an experiment from Nature bound to disappear... soon ? (like the dinosaurs did)

In general, my perspectives are quite pessimistic. In short, it seems that running towards a dead end human being is demonstrating that he is a dead end.
An evolution jump is always possible but highly speculative, I keep it for the rare bright optimistic days...

Attention ! This debate is not for creationism vs evolutionism. It's premise is that evolution is a fact.
(And, if possible, try to not to turn it into another homosexuality debate.)
Thank you.
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First of all, I think you need to get it straight that evolution has no goal, and it is mindless. It is a mindless non-random process that selects organisms best fit in their environment at a certain time. If all conditions remain equal (that is, if there is no change whatsoever), then there is no evolution.
Old 30th Mar 2012, 03:58 AM #27
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Reminds me of the film 'Idiocracy'. Terrible film, I know, but does make the point that in first world countries, where the poor are supported with financial handouts, food tokens etc, the poor are still breeding faster (sometimes just to gain more benefits). The higher classes are waiting till later in life to have children, having less due to financial/career choices or just aren't at all. This means in these countries 'survival of the fittest' won't work in the same way. Intelligence will be bred out. Obviously I'm not saying that all poor people are stupid but anyone with half a brain would want to support their existing children before having more. So in a few hundred years these countries will be run by idiots (assuming they're not now - but we won't go into that). Perhaps a little controversial but my opinion is that morals, common decency and selflessness have been on their way out for a long time.
Anyway my point is that perhaps we already reached the optimal evolutionary point and it's started on it's downward spiral already... just a thought to throw in there. :D


i must point out that simply wanting to and actually being capable of it are completely different things. if you have no opportunity to do so, theres no amount of wanting to support your children that will make it come true. and you cant possibly think that theres opportunity enough to go around for everybody and that the impoverished simply want to sit around and do nothing, or cant do simple food/mouths math.
heres a thought: the poor typically have little/no health care. this leads to unattended injuries and much sickness allowed to run its course. without the advantage of a doctor at their disposal, they are forced to take more time off from work to get better. less work time, less pay time, less financial security.
this is also ignoring (entirely) the influence of privilege.
on the same token, porn stars make a larger salary than most scientists. indication of superior intelligence?

sounds to me like you are saying that "poor people are stupid"....though in turn, you look quite ignorant for it.
by the way, id LOVE to hear about what exactly the kardashians have put forth into the world that is worth as much money as their worth adds up to, currently? what huge social/economical advance have they invented, what have they revolutionized, lately?
rich = smart, poor = dumb is an old-school and downright inaccurate way of thinking. there are idiots and hard workers in both groups. monetary accumulation is in no way any sort of measurement of who is or isnt "intelligent".

though i do find it highly amusing that you seem to believe that a thing as complex and immeasurable as intelligence can be intrinsically linked to a certain amount of little green pieces of paper.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Old 31st Mar 2012, 03:29 AM DefaultNot sure it's random #28
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First of all, I think you need to get it straight that evolution has no goal, and it is mindless. It is a mindless non-random process that selects organisms best fit in their environment at a certain time. If all conditions remain equal (that is, if there is no change whatsoever), then there is no evolution.

Lynn Margulis proposed a biosymbiogenesis theory that organelles and bacteria combined to form more complex life forms. If so, then evolution actually occurs in leaps rather than through the slower process of natural selection. It has been said that it would require the lifetime of 10 suns for natural selection to cause lifeforms as complex as we see today.
It has been suggested that bacteria may be sentient so I think that evolution may actually have a goal.
I have Autism and I believe that it is genetic in origin. There isn't much, if any evidence to support theories other than genetics as the cause of autism. There is a dramatic increase in the incidence of autism and I don't think that it is because of better diagnosis or vaccines. I think that something has happened to cause an increasing number of people to develop the autistic brain which has some distinct differences from the neurotypical or NT brain. So, could sentient bacterium have the goal of creating another type of human?
Old 1st Apr 2012, 04:40 AM #29
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I am, quite obviously, the Ultimate Achievement in evolution. The rest of you are just also-rans.

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Old 1st Apr 2012, 08:43 AM #30
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Sorry, I had to...

Understand Material definition-TXMT and customize the look of your objects ! This way

"The longer something exists in this world, the more wear and tear it will have."
Old 6th Apr 2012, 01:29 PM #31
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Chuck Norris the most overrated thing in the world is not the last step in evolution. I AM!
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