Much agreed. But the challenge is testing the spirit of an idea--and does not aim at perfect historical accuracy. The rigid hierarchical class structures were still in place in the early Renaissance, though feudalism was, of course, largely replaced by urbanization, etc. However, the aim of the challenge was never to create a historically accurate game, as I state clearly in the foreword: "Though I have tirelessly researched the components of the challenge ... it is not a perfect historical replica of life in the early Renaissance, nor is it meant to be. The system constructed is meant to outline a Renaissance cosmology, and as such, aims to be faithful to a way of thinking, not to historical particularity. If quotidian historical accuracy is your thing, Warwickshire is probably not going to satisfy you entirely."
It would seem--respectfully--that you are aiming at a greater historical accuracy than the game ever meant to deliver. I agree that a historically accurate medieval challenge would be very interesting--if you write one, I will very likely want to play it.
Oh, I agree. You've done a fantastic job within the game engine to create a good model, but pure accuracy is probably impossible (and, let's be honest, given how life was pretty wretched for the average peasant back in the day, that's not necc. a bad thing)
Perhaps one day I shall attempt such a thing, although you've set the bar pretty high.
Heloise, I'm so glad you like this new chapter! I wrote it at odd moments and it only took me two or three days, but I'm actually pretty pleased of how it turned ^^
Yes, everything from the blog is written from Alleken's perspective and ... I will share a secret with you ^^" Alleken? She's actually ... my self-sim ^^" Most of her story is actually mine (without the pieces that just sound too improbable, like the one about marriage at 15 and also ... the part about having children XD I'm sure my father would beat the living tar out of me if I would have even considered getting married at 15 >.> but other than that ... it's my life modulated to fit the medieval times). So, I guess you can see why I'm rather fond of this sim ^^" And the fact that I vew her as another I makes writing from her perspective so much easier ^^
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Dw the story I'm writing has my self sim as the MC although I edited her a bit and it's not biographical haha. She lives in my hood for this challenge but she's kind of exempt from the rules at this point anyway but making the story I have in my head for her play out will be a big part in defining the story of my hood.
Also what does enter private boarding school mean? What should sims who do this do after they graduate?
I also just had my first death I only just started the rolls though It was a baby girl but she had a twin so it's not too bad,
lbsgirl24, good luck with your game! ^^ I would love to see some pictures or maybe even read a story or two ^^
I have to write a new chapter ... but I can't find inspiration XD I took the photos and I've been staring at them for two days XD I have no idea what to write, because there's not much that happened during this rotation. And I'm simply too excited for the events that will come XD All I was is for this rotation to be over ... it takes too much time to play with each family, but I don't want to cheat, so I'll wait ... and play ... even if it will take some time. Maybe until Christmas ... -_-' Or maybe I'll try writing some chapters about the events that will happen in the future. Maybe my inspiration will come that way ^^
In the meantime ... I found Rakiah's account from deviantart and her drawing are just amazing! ^^ I've got so many great ideas! Too bad my sims pictures will never look like that Oh, and I've been listening to Loin du froid de décembre from that children movie about the Romanov family, Anastasia. I don't even have a royal family in my neighbourhood and I'm already considering creating an Empire! But that's not such a bad idea, right? It will take some time, a few generations maybe, until the new regime will strengthen and everyone will accept the monarch's family, but ... who knows?
Yup >.> That's me -_-' I'm only playing through the 9th rotation, but I'm making plans for the 20th one. I guess that's what keeps me playing (and I've been playing this challenge for more than 2 years).
...I just had a rather eventful sim playing session. I was playing the royal family from the mountain kingdom and decided to invite over the betrotheds of Crown Prince Hugo and his cousin Prince Johannes, as well as Lady Elizabeth Gray and her betrothed, Crown Prince Baoxian, since they're all (more or less) friends and the same age. Prince Johannes and Lady Philippa York have hit it off really well, and this time- well, she's pregnant! (I've decided not to count this as deflowering a virgin since they're betrothed and it would not seem unusual for them to already be married at their age in that time period). Then Crown Prince Hugo and Lady Elizabeth followed suit >.< Crown Prince Baoxian (who I decided was like a husband in terms of being an injured party) sued Elizabeth but not Crown Prince Hugo. Lady Elizabeth lost her case and was disinherited, so she's moving into an abbey.
All this means Normandy is up for grabs (in case you've forgotten Lady Elizabeth's late father Lord Henry Gray was controlling Normandy, meaning after his death Crown Prince Baoxian had a claim to Normandy as the betrothed of Lord Henry's heiress). Duke Edward Gray will probably try to reclaim his rightful inheritance, but Prince Baoshan will oppose him as the husband of Lord Henry's cousin- so there seems to be another war on the horizon!
@lsbgirl24, entering a private boarding school can be played a few different ways- simlogical's hacks include a boarding school hack, which works as an alternate to public or private school and makes it so the sim only comes back on weekends. You could also make your own lot to represent the boarding school and move the boys there for the duration of their teen years; simlogical hacks are again really helpful, since there are a whole bunch meant to be used to make lots function like schools. You could even combine the two, keeping the sims technically living in their own lots but using the simlogical boarding school and school institution hacks to make it so they spend their Mondays through Fridays at a different lot made to be the school. I don't know if I'm making much sense, but exploring the links I gave should help explain things. Once they are fully done with their education (including university if you decide to send them there), what they do is up to you- there's tons of ideas for royal and noble positions in the challenge rules, as well as suggested guidelines for what levels of what maxis careers make sense for sims depending on their education level and class, and of course you can make up your own positions and use custom careers to expand the options.
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Lady Scarlet, if a lot is happening later on in your story and not much now you'll need a large number of chapters to cover all the drama coming later so skipping writing about an uneventful round may give you time to prewrite the chapters you want to be working on.
Thanks Radium, doesn't really matter anymore because I had my second death the noble boy who was going to be sent off to boarding school (I roll my nobles early.) died. It fits into the story I'm working on that's loosely related to this challenge. The MC lives in my challenge hood but is exempt from rolls. Also I need to keep aging her back up and down and may have to delay her aging (or not save all the time I play her lot) and you get the picture, she's basically immortal etc.
In case anyone's interested, the first chapters aren't very good but they're here nonetheless.
I'm happy to announce you the birth of my first 3rd generation baby! ^^ Well, he's actually a second generation baby too, because ... *getting ready for a complicated story* So, the father (forgot his name) decided to get married and he chose ... his ... niece? XD Yup >.> They got married and had little Jake ^^ But I'm excited about my 3rd generation simmies!
Another yay! I have finally managed to write a new chapter for my story! And it only took me ... what? An hour or so ^^ I'm that good! (please take no heed of me >.> )
Now ... I only have to finish this rotation and take the pictures for this chapter, because the story I wrote this time happens ... during the next rotation ^^" And I still have so many nouseholds to play...
Well, I better get back to studying >.> I'll write more this week and maybe upload something during the weekend.
So ... I wrote another one XD I'm quite happy with it, but I don't have the pictures for it either >.> And I will need some time to upload it ... I still have to find titles. And maybe even some quotes ...
As there seems to be no activity in this thread ... here I am ^^ Again XD Well, there's not too much happening in my game right now. I'm still playing through the 9th rotation (I have the feeling that I won't finish this rotation by the New Year >.> ) and I'm enjoying my third generation babies ^^ 'Cause there are more! Many more ^^ And me is happy, because I didn't have to kill anybody until now (I always feel bad when I have to kill young parents).
I still haven't uploaded any new chapter ... Because I don't really feel like taking pictures yet ^^" I wrote two chapters (and I'm working on a third one) and I'm pretty happy with them (more exactly ... I wrote them, read what I wrote, deleted a few paragraphs that I didn't like, got new ideas and re-wrote everything XD ). I have no idea when I'll upload a new chapter >.>
So, back to my game ^^ Those are some of the birth sheets ^^
The first two belong to Adelaide Godfrey. She's the young girl that was forced to sell her body because her father fell ill and couldn't support their family. And, of course, the inevitable happened. She got pregnant (she doesn;t know who the father is, but I know that it's her cousin, a young fisherman named Bryce). Unfortunately for her, she gave birth to twin boys (named them Bardolf and Fraunk). They're illegitimate children, so they will be raised in the mother's family. As you can see, the birth was awful for the poor girl.
Here's another chart. This one belongs to Adelaide's step-mother, Nadryne Godfrey. She's 38 already, but she gave birth to her 5th child (her husband's 10th or so). A baby girl in perfect health. The birth was quite easy, so I'm thinking about letting her have some more children (now that two of her step-daughters got married and vacated some room).
Hi there, MattieOReilly, and welcome here ^^ Well, M3g7e made a post about those new birth-rules two or three pages ago ... Let me see if I can find it. Here it is! ^^ I know it sounds kind of complicated (at least that's what I thought the first time when I read it), but believe me, it is not and it helps a great deal with reducing the number of deaths among the women from your neighbourhood (because women have to have many children, death was almost inevitable for them). With M3g7e's new ideas, deaths don't seem so random anymore.
Well, here's what I figured out. Everyone gets a THS (which stands for Total Health Score) when he/she is born, but this THS can increase or decrease everytime he/she ages. When a woman gives birth, her THS plays a major role in her survival chances. Then, there are also some more parameters (some of which vary from birth to birth, but there are also some that remain unchanged). For example, the "Pevimetry" is a constant (it is decided at the time of the first birth and remains the same). The "Pregnancy Health" varies based on mother's THS and so on. Then you have to roll the event score (there a chart in the new version that gives you all the details) and deduct it, and you get the Birth Outcome.
I'm afraid I can't give you more details, because I know M3g7e's still working on some aspects and you will have to wait for the new version of this challenge (or maybe M3g7e will post here and help you with some more details).
Meanwhile, you can start playing this challenge if you want, because version 2.0 is not that different and you would be able to accommodate with everything, which will make things easier when the new version will be ready.
Hi, All--just dropping a quick line to say a very short hello. I have been on a three day grading bender and am finally catching a breather (finals week is next week and then I'm free for a few weeks--total YAY!!!!).
Lady Scarlet,I am so jealous that you're in the ninth rotation! I just finished the year 1630 across the whole nh and have been working through Andover (Warwick) through 1640. I haven't had much time to play, but this past round has been really hard for my poor serfs. I am playtesting the diseases--and let me just say Smallpox is deadly. Also, since I finished the last rotation I did some census work for the nh--and I discovered that, at least for me, women are three times more likely to die than men in my nh. And it is not only from childbirth--it is from every possible way to die (there were like 24 female deaths to 7 or 8 male deaths).
It looks like Adelaide really suffered with that twin birth. Wow. Twins can be very dangerous. I think I have seen fewer deaths with childbirth since I started the new system, but I have also gotten less squeamish about letting moms die when the numbers roll wrong. In the first rotation, I had a hard time actually killing them--I saved a lot of them with pleading with the grim, but now I just don't do it any more. But now I have lots more sims to play, so it makes sense not to save them.
Mattie--Lady Scarlet has very accurately described the new system, better than I could have myself. I really don't have anything to add there, except that I know I have got to get 3.0 finished! Ready for that break to start so I can get back to writing.
M3g7e. it's so goot to see you around again! ^^ Well, I can't wait to see the new version, because I really love the improvements until now (they make everything so much more interesting and whenever someone dies, I don't feel like I'm killing him/her without rhyme or reason anymore and the fact that everyone has a THS which establishes their lifestyle is great for stories).
I for myself never use that 'pleading' option ^^" I know I'm complaining about the fact that I have to kill so many people and that I miss them and so on, but it keeps my neighbourhood balanced. Most of my families have 10 children (now that I think about it, no woman ever had more than 10 children since I began playing O.o there were some men, of course, but they have misstresses and second wives), but only 4-6 of them survive (sometime even less, like in one of my noblle households, who had 10 children and only two boys and a girl survived), so the number of inhabitants in the realm increases gradually, with every rotation.
By the way, there's no reason to be jealous of me for playing the 9th rotation XD I have less simmies in my neighbourhood than you XD (and I only have ONE neighbourhood, while you have ... three? four?) And even so, it takes me around 3 or 4 months to finish one rotation (well, this 9th one has been exceptionally long, because I have recently beggan to divide the households for my second generation to get married and have babies of their own).
Talking of my second generation having families of their own ... I have to confess that it's a little out-of-the-way to have so many uncles wedding their nieces XD I only began my game with 6 or so families and they're already inbreeding a lot >.> I know this thing happened a lot in history (like those Spanish Habsburgs that married close relatives - uncles, nieces or first cousins - over a period of 200 years), but there's proof this doesn't work (I see no Habsburg alive XD ), so I'm thinking about enforcing a law about this once there will be a monarch around.
I only have four more households to play with and the 9th rotation will be over! And then ... WAR! (God, I hate war in real life, but here >.> I can't wait for it to finally happen, because I've been planning this for so long). I have three chapters already written for the next rotation, but I still have to take the pictures XD
At this point, I think I am in the third rotation--at any rate, I am only just now beginning to see grandchildren (and great grandchildren) of my first created sims--some of which I created adults with parents, hence the great grandparents now. There are not very many of those, however, since a lot of my sims are not quite old enough to marry yet. And still, I have way too many sims ... but I realize that I started with too wide a base. The rough breakdown between classes right now is like this:
Serf & Peasant: 23%
Other: Outcasts, Prisoners, etc: 0.5%
There are at least two issues here which cause some trouble in the nh: first being that there are too many in the middle class. I think a lot of those young people are going to be entering the clergy in the next rotation. I need lots more teachers, doctors, and the like, which ideally should come from the Gentry class, but (and here's the next issue) a fair proportion of gentry class people in my nh are serving the crown in various capacities and do not have their own estates or families--they are really servants. Also, I had hoped in the beginning that a much larger percentage of the population would be serfs or peasants--only in Andover, the agricultural region, which has 46% of the population as serfs or peasants does that number hit where I wanted it for the whole nh. There is a huge class divide between regions, with Shropshire being nearly 50% middle class and Hampshire Court nearly 50% noble--of course, most of those nobles hold fiefs elsewhere, but at any given time the population of nobles in Hampshire Court is highly concentrated.
In my game I prefer to say that one day equals one year in my sims' lives and I set the pregnancies to 24 hours (I know that that means a female is pregnant for a whole year, but 9-10 momths is almost the same as 12 months XD and it's not like she could have more than a pregnancy per year).
Well, I can say from experience that the 1 year = 1 sim day works just fine for this challenge ^^ I do the rolls just as Heloise said and it's perfect even for story telling. And it's simple, because you don't have to always calculate everything and, also, when a sim only lives for 60-70 days, you don't really have time to get bored. But you're free to make your own rulles and/or download a mod that changes a sim's life spam.
I do the one day = one year. That's how the challenge is designed to work. I use the ACR adjuster to find out how many days old a sim is, but it would be easy enough to find out by just subtracting the number of days a sim has left until s/he reaches his/her next birthday. So, I roll at 35 days old (there is the column that says what age to roll at), or whatever.
Also, I'm with Lady Scarlet--I haven't had a 72 hour pregnancy in my nh in like years! Everyone is on the bump and go method--24 hr bump = time to deliver. I like it so much more than the standard pregnancy length that I really don't think I could ever go back again, even though I do kinda miss the big mamas I used to have roaming around. Now I only have big preggers when I need to take pics for a story.
I've been using 24hr pregnancy in all my medieval hoods for ages. I find it easier to wait for the lullaby then click the mother, spawn the inteenimater clock thing and go express delivery 24hr and then they still get big and everything. Hopefully the new lifespan I've made works I had some issues with the one I made for my tot.
So, I've just discovered that each season is actually five days long >.> So, I've been playing Sims 2 for what? Six years if I remember correctly and I've always thought a season lasts four days -_-' Now that explains everything! Why everyone in the neighbourhood is actually a little older than I counted >.> So, at the end of the 9th rotations it's actually year ... 1644? O.o Well, that explains everything >.> So, 45 years have already passed. Cool ^^
Well, it's the nebinning of winter in my neighbourhood. And I only have two more households! ^^ And then comes the 10th rotation! And the war! I'm actually very excited to finally have a monarch here.
I'm still just setting up for the third time i think? It's going well. I'm reusing some houses so it isn't taking this long so far. However I never build stuff in the 20-50k range so housing for peasants is a bit of a challenge.