I have had Confused Family Sims, where an engaged family sim wanted to flirt with another guy other than her fiance! A big disappointment. Also, she didn't have any wants about her fiance, only about another uni townie. He didn't even have wants about her. He's a knowledge, which is supposed to be a great aspiration match here.

Tyler Fleurada did that to me. However, I kind of sided with Tyler on the issue, and went with the target. I'll take that triple bolting cow mascot over the single bolting dormie, danke.

After the honeymoon, I gave the perk that has a small pink heart which increased their chemistry to triple bolts. They still do romantic interactions with each other, its just that they don't roll wants about each other. I'm thinking of changing their aspiration to something and back to the original, just to refresh it.

I've got a romance sim who wants to marry her first two baby-daddies and fears marrying the third. At the moment. She changes her mind about what she wants or doesn't want about ten times daily. Can you send your recalcitrant sims on a date?

I have experience townies and pre-mades that have seemingly inappropriate wants. I suspect maxis sort of programmed them in goofy ways.

I suspect that romance sims that grow up in stable families with parents that are married are more likely to roll the want to get married. Remember your sims accumulate all sorts of unseen skills and knowledge based on life experience. You'll really notice this if you play a legacy household my third and fourth generations sims were amazing parents and good at all sort of things that had nothing to do with their aspirations.

One of my married Family Sims did the same, she wanted to flirt with another man than her husband, although she loved him a lot
But I think it was because my married Sims were only woohooing and raising children, they didn't spend time with eachother. Maybe she just wanted someone who was there actually for her :P

Yeah, you have to work on sim marriages just as much as real ones. And the odd desire to flirt with someone other than your spouse isn't worrying, as long as they aren't acted on and they roll wants about their spouses. It doesn't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you do your eating at home. If just going on a date doesn't work, MMAA, try the Ask/Do You Like What You See? interaction. If the two are compatible that should scramble the wants and bring up some romantic ones. And if they aren't...well, you might be playing a divorce later on, that's all. Rough on them; more drama for you.

So, are people basing the statement that townies and downtownies have weird LTWs on what they have when they enter the game as full playables? Or on what shows in SimPE and/or when made selectable temporarily via a hack or mod?

Because one potential cause for the difference, and my failure to experience it, would be, if LTWs aren't assigned until the townie becomes a playable, so that looking at the LTW prior to that would just show the first Lifetime Want in the list - which is Become Criminal Mastermind in an alphabetically arranged list, the most-often cited inappropriate LTW - or some random one that happens to be on top at the moment due to some chaotically complicated code interaction. This would also explain why one of my Tricous got an LTW that wasn't available in the game when he first generated because I didn't add the EP that created it till later.

Also, is this happening to y'all with all townies, regardless of how you make them playable? I have never used boolprop to make anybody selectable, or the SimBlender to make a townie into a playable, or any of that stuff. I've changed one townie to a playable using SimPE, and everybody else became playable either by being moved to University as a teen, by marrying in, or by being invited to move in. No, wait, Gilscarbo got added by accident when I used Christianlov's gussy up program too close to going home and he got added to my household. He's got a normal LTW, too. (Celebrity Chef.)

I'm just spitballing, here. I don't know enough about code or the way the game works to test the hypothesis. And if I did I wouldn't want to take the time right now, since I've to some troubleshooting to do.

My Romance folk often roll wants to get engaged, particularly depending on their secondary aspiration, sometimes with and sometimes without corresponding fears. I assign aspirations, both primary and secondary, randomly, so I get some really odd combinations sometimes, which generates both odd wants AND odd LTW. I like it that way.

If they're Romance/Family or Romance/Knowledge, the engagement wants happen a lot, actually. Sometimes they roll to get engaged to several people at once, which I interpret as, "OK, you want to be a polygamist. I can make that happen." (And I can, because I have the hacked wedding arch that allows for multiple marriages.) Often, they won't roll wants to marry anyone they get engaged to, but my philosophy is, "You rolled to get engaged, you get the whole enchilada, buster. Deal with it."

And I find that it doesn't ALWAYS generate drama to marry off Romance Sims, even if they have long...um, histories, particularly if their spouse(s) is/are tolerant when/if things happen on community lots. Some of them "domesticate" quite well, particularly if they have a secondary that jives with domestication, like Family. However, I find that Romance/Pleasure Sims domesticate well, too. It seems to me that their Pleasure side just kind of takes over, and they get lots of Pleasure's goofy wants. And they'll roll a lot of "generic" woohoo wants like "Woohoo in Bed" or "Woohoo in Hot Tub" or "Public Woohoo" rather than a lot of "Woohoo with 10 Different Sim" wants. The former are easily fulfilled with their spouse(s), and it keeps them quite happy.

But then, sometimes the drama is all kinds of fun, too.



I make townies/downtownies playable a lot, and I've frankly never noticed any "weird" wants/LTWs. They all seem to be "in line" with the aspiration the game gave them. True, if they've been around for a while or dated a playable of mine or if they were a dormie for a long time and built up strong relationships with other dormies before they became playable, they'll sometimes generate various wants pertaining to those Sims, but I'd take that as normal (and welcome!) continuity, not strangeness. But then, maybe it's because the first thing I do after I move 'em in is to assign them a secondary aspiration, which kind of mixes up the pot, anyway? I dunno...

Angelo came from a very stable family, and a large one at that. His mum, Bluebell, has started going on lots of dates with Phil, in order to bring a different kind of 'magic' into their marriage. Angelo has been rolling wants to go on dates and stuff, and of course I am trying to get him to deflower the head evil witch as he's already deflowered the head good witch. I might even have him date my Claire Ursine, just to create some more drama and perhaps have him become a baby-daddy. I may also have him date Ariel Winters, a Romance/family sim I had created early on.

Also, something funny happened to me:

After having her third baby, my Sim had a want, "Have another baby" AND a fear, "Have another baby". And consider I only had base game back then.

~DJ.

I did that with Elmer and Sophie Miguel and they did not like what they were seeing. I think I can see a divorce in the near/distant future if she's not willing to make things right.

Yeah... I've had the one who fears having a baby while she's pregnant. I can't remember if she had the want at the same time, but if she did, the fear outweighed the want and she went into aspiration failure standing there with the baby in her arms.

I wonder why Romance sims, if those are who you are talking about, never get a red memory of having a baby. I know that family sims do too, but, hey their FAMILY, so they probably won't, but why or what about Romance?

The have baby fear is generally worth 5,000; the have baby want is worth 8,000; so if a family sim has both at once, she should not have an aspiration problem. Mine never have. Even Kitty Hawkins was scared about it sometimes; mostly when the house was particularly chaotic and the income stream was in a bad way.

Nobody ever has "have grandchild" fears, do they?

I have a family sim whose lifetime want is "eat 200 grilled cheese sandwiches" .. She's never changed aspiration nor used the re-nu-u sensu orb. She never talks about grilled cheese either. Silly sims.

If the object of a Romance sim is to date many and often, while that of a Family sim is to have a family...

Jessie Pilferson is definitely a Romance sim "failure" in my game: she has four kids, and hasn't yet rolled a "have a baby" fear. She's joined in failurehood by her live-in boyfriend Gunnar Roque, who has a Family sim-style pregnancy horn. They consistently roll fears of getting engaged and married, though that hasn't stopped them from being almost entirely exclusive to each other (Jessie dates Ripp Grunt as well, but Gunnar only dates Jessie. He does roll date wants for any pregnant lady he sees, though ).

Mickey Dosser and Fortran Curious are my other two big failures: they have green engagement memories after rolling the want to get engaged to each other during a date. They're not at all exclusive, but neither fears getting married to the other.

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My romance sims definitely get confused sometimes. In addition to them occasionally both wanting and fearing engagement/marriage/babies, they'll often have a negative memory for an engagement but a positive memory for the marriage. I guess they were apprehensive about getting serious at first, but then realised they really did care for the other sim!

I think there's an issue with engagement/marriage memories having the wrong color depending on aspiration, and I'd downloaded a fix for it.

I think it's from Boiling Oil over at Simbology, and the file is called EngagementMemoryFix.

I think they have the green memories because they didn't have the fear at the time. It doesn't bother me -- I think it's cute -- and my non-Romance sims that have red engagement memories have made for storyline stuff.