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Site Helper
#126 Old 24th Jul 2012 at 8:41 PM
So Quatchi and I decided to set aside today to try to look into this issue. I just want to set expectations. This would probably be a fairly easy fix if we had the source code. It may be impossible without the source code. Even if we manage to get something working, it will only be for one patch level of one EP. Neither of us is considering anything else.

Wish us luck!
Instructor
#127 Old 24th Jul 2012 at 9:21 PM
Good Luck Quatchi
Good Luck Mootilda
Mad Poster
#128 Old 24th Jul 2012 at 10:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mootilda
...it will only be for one patch level of one EP.


As in like AL or Uni or what? Shouldn't you consider M&G? Because, as mentioned before, its "the only SP that acts like an EP"(?).

And BTW, good luck!
Site Helper
#129 Old 24th Jul 2012 at 10:58 PM Last edited by Mootilda : 25th Jul 2012 at 4:44 PM.
M&G. I've been avoiding the Store Edition.

Quatchi said something that I thought was really funny: "EA won't fix the bug because they think that you caused the bug by modding the game to avoid generating tons of random townies." I had never really considered the idea that EA doesn't believe that the bug exists. But, if their testers work without mods (expected), then they would probably never see this bug. Pescado caused it when he wrote notownieregen!

[Update:]

Things went fairly well yesterday. We verified that a 1-byte change to the active data will resolve the problems with both genetics and personality (haven't looked into names yet). Then we were stymied for the evening, but I had one of those middle-of-the-night inspirations so I think that we're back on track. We just need to find some more time to get together and work on this again. I am still hopeful that we'll be able to get something with proper randomization.
Test Subject
#130 Old 20th Sep 2014 at 7:22 PM
I know this thread hasn't had a reply in 2 years, but I needed to ask some dumbo questions, if anyone is willing to help.

1. Has this been solved in a patch or an EP? If it has, disregard the rest of the questions! :P

2. (This is a really dumbo question, ogay) Does this "First Born Effect" apply to every subsequent children in one family, or the rest of the neighborhood couple's offsprings?
To better explain myself: I load my first family, a couple. The female gives birth, and I save the lot and exit. Now I want to go ahead and play another couple family who is going to have a baby born, do I have to "roll the pacifier" again? If I do not do so I'm pretty sure this baby in household 2 won't look exactly the same as the baby in household 1 right? The parents do have different genetics afterall, but asking this just in case :P

3. They said you would have to reroll the pacifier every time you start the game to prevent the First Born Syndrome.
Does it mean by: a) every time you open your "The Sims 2" or b) every time you switch households?

4. Relating to Question #3. If Family #1 in my hood has a baby, then I save and go to the neighborhood to play Family #2, and they have a baby. I want to go back to Family #1 and have another baby, do I have to roll the pacifier again? They said the game generates the same genetics each time you start the game, will it go back to square one if you switch households?

5. Does the First Born Effect only apply to personality points, or the face as well?

Before anyone asks me to read the Pregnancy Guide, I already did. It was quite hard to wrap my head around it. (It was pretty confusing, but I do understand most of the First Born Effect concept, I just need some clarifications.)
If you answer them, thanks
Mad Poster
#131 Old 20th Sep 2014 at 7:40 PM
1. Nope.
2, 3, 4. It applies to the first child born during a single load of the game. If a baby is born in one house, and you then move on to another house, in which another baby is born, the second baby will not need the pacifier rolled regardless of whether you rolled it for the first one or not. If you make sims in CAS, and use the pacifier button to make a child, or even use the dice to randomize premades, you will not need to roll the pacifier specifically for any family that may produce a baby during that play session.
Every time you open The Sims2 (and expect to have a baby).

What happens is that the random number generator in charge of genetics has a built-in flaw that causes it to reset to the same starting point every time you load up the game. Once you grasp that, the rest will be easy to remember.

5. If you read backwards through this thread, you will find that, though at first it appeared to only affect personality points, many people only become aware of it due to sim siblings looking like each other. Extensive testing indicates that both are affected.

As far as I can tell, the same randomizer also applies to pets at pet births and the random generation of a new pet for those occasions when the game decides that a sim has bought a pet while in the background of somebody else's community lot visit; and if this is the case, then you shouldn't have to roll the paciifier if either of those events happens before a birth. I took a chance on that this week, and it seems to have worked. But I can't remember whether I rolled the pacifier for the first birth in this family, so the fact that I have no clones doesn't truly prove anything. This assertion should be tested before you start spreading it around as gospel.

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Mad Poster
#132 Old 21st Sep 2014 at 3:21 AM
It also applies at pet births? Does that mean that you have to roll the pacifier before pet births or your puppies/kittens will all be identical?
Mad Poster
#133 Old 21st Sep 2014 at 3:24 AM
I am making a logical extrapolation; I do not know this for a fact. It's less of a problem with pets in any case.

This thread may be older than dirt, but people still need to know this stuff. And I do have dirt in my house which is much, much older.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
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Lab Assistant
#134 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 5:36 AM
Old thread so please redirect me if there is a newer one - but i'm having an issue where rolling the pacifier with the batbox and with CAS suddenly stopped being effective. I tried to read through the thread to see if there are any ways to fix it but I'm a new sims 2 player and I didn't understand a lot of it.

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Scholar
#135 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 9:31 AM
Amiisay, how do you know it's not working? I ask mostly because I use the batbox method and I just always trust that it does work; I've never been much good at actually seeing/noticing the syndrome myself, so I don't know if I'd ever notice that it had stopped working.
Lab Assistant
#136 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiisay
Old thread so please redirect me if there is a newer one - but i'm having an issue where rolling the pacifier with the batbox and with CAS suddenly stopped being effective. I tried to read through the thread to see if there are any ways to fix it but I'm a new sims 2 player and I didn't understand a lot of it.


Have you checked and made notes of the personality of the sims born in game? They should be different if you're randomizing with the Batbox or in CAS. Keep in mind, if the parents have the same face template, or if they look very similar, the children may not have much variety in looks, no matter how much randomizing you do. But randomizing should prevent identical personalities in siblings. If it's not, there's something wrong somewhere.
Mad Poster
#137 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 1:43 PM
The batbox's randomizer is not perfect either. Mootilda was still working on fixing that when she died.

The way the batbox works in this case is, it rolls a random number of CAS sims and discards them without saving, all at once - i.e., doing the same thing you do, only much faster. If the randomizer malfunctions consistently, though, it may always be rolling the same number of CAS sims, which merely shifts your firstborn syndrome to a different point in the progression. When Mootilda opened the game and used the batbox randomizer first thing, she always got 13. (The batbox will give you a pop-up telling you how many "items" - i.e. CAS sims - it made and discarded, so you can easily test whether this is what's going on.) When I use the batbox in normal play, however, I will get numbers anywhere from 2 to several thousand, so my playstyle is doing something that cancels out the randomizer problem.

If this is your problem, you could either use the batbox a random number of times (if you're always using it the same number of times the problem will recur), or go into CAS and use some other random number method to determine how many times you roll the dice. You don't have to go through the whole process of rolling the actual pacifer - rolling the dice in the CAS screen a random number of times will do it. I'm a tabletop gamer so I always have polyhedral dice on hand; other people like online randomizers, or you can just sit there clicking till you get a sim you like or your finger gets tired. The important thing is for the game randomizer to be used a different number of times each time.

Remember also that the pacifier must be rolled during the game session of the birth, before the birth takes place, since sim genetics are determined at the time of birth. Rolling it during pregnancy won't help if you quit the game before the birth occurs.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
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#138 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 7:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Charity
It also applies at pet births? Does that mean that you have to roll the pacifier before pet births or your puppies/kittens will all be identical?


I know this post is old, but I did make a curious observation a while ago. Some of my playable Sims purchased pets (and yes, I know there are hacks to disable this; I like it, though). The pets themselves changed if I exited without saving and then reloaded the lot (only when the initial prompt comes up). But unless I rolled the pacifier, though, the personalities would always be identical - Aries 1/2/3/1/2 in my case.

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Inventor
#139 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 9:12 PM
The thing with pet births though is that they have more than one at a time. On the rare times I let them breed they pop out identical puppies (or kittens). It's easy enough to change their looks but it's still annoying. I don't see how the pacifier helps.
#140 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 9:24 PM
I'd think it's still affected by the faulty RNG, though.

I'm secretly a Bulbasaur.

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Mad Poster
#141 Old 19th Jun 2017 at 9:36 PM
Multiples shouldn't ever be identical - they should move down the progression with each birth. That's how multiple births work in human sims. The only multiple pet birth I've had was the Critturs, and they're all different. (Though, to be fair, they haven't grown up yet and I could be in for a shock, I suppose.) If you're just using the standard breeds there's less genetic variety in pets than in human sims, so perhaps that's what's causing this effect?

Clearly, systematic testing of pet birth randomization is needed.

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Alchemist
#142 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 5:14 PM
Wait, how do you get the Batbox to give a pop up? It's never done that for me. My pet births are non identical. Though puppies and kittens often look identical until they age up, just like Sim babies.

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#143 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 5:47 PM
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Originally Posted by simsfreq
Wait, how do you get the Batbox to give a pop up? It's never done that for me.

Save your lot, click on the Batbox and choose "randomize sim generator" (I think that's what it's called; it's something very like that). I don't remember what menu it's under, but it might be "fix"? I don't generally have any trouble finding it. It will pop up with a message warning you that it will exit the lot without saving and that the game will freeze for a bit and ask if you really want to do it. Click "yes" if you are in fact sure you're ready. Wait a few seconds as the Batbox does what it needs to do, and then another popup will tell you how many places it advanced the generator. Click "okay" and you'll be booted to the neighbourhood screen. After that, go back in and play to the end of the pregnancy.
Alchemist
#144 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 6:52 PM
I know how to use the rerandomiser - it's just never ever given me a pop up. I get the screen saying that it will quit without saving, but then it just hangs and quits to neighbourhood. I assumed that it was working because it did that. Do you have to have testingcheats on? It does seem to work to randomise my births but I'd be interested to see what the number is.

My version of FFS Debugger was modified 1 September, 2009 at 18:00 and is 61.3kb. Perhaps I have a different version?
Edit: Curiouser and curiouser! I just grabbed one from the site, and the file was last modified in 2012. I must have had some version pre 2.0 for some reason! I will update you next time I play.

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#145 Old 22nd Jun 2017 at 6:54 PM Last edited by Rosawyn : 22nd Jun 2017 at 10:27 PM.
No, I never have testingcheats on when I use it.

Edit:
Quote:
Originally Posted by simsfreq
I just grabbed one from the site, and the file was last modified in 2012. I must have had some version pre 2.0 for some reason! I will update you next time I play.

Mine's from 2012 as well. Hope that version works properly when you try it!
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