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MTS Movie Night - posted on 15th Jul 2017 at 6:21 PM
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Theorist
#51 Old 2nd Sep 2016 at 12:36 AM
Only out of desperation.

Among Hindu belief, milk is fine, but not beef.
Among Jewish and Muslim belief, pigs are filthy for rolling in filth.
Among my parents, we eat chicken in spite of them scratching in their own filth.

There will be a time of desperation and it may be a time to trade your morals for convenience.

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Lab Assistant
#52 Old 12th Sep 2016 at 2:20 AM
Generally speaking, I'd say no as we have been "conditioned" to see cats and dogs as household pets.

If it was desperate times.. Well usually that calls for desperate measures and no one really knows until they are in that situation.

Tbh, I generally don't eat any meat or fish. They are yummy but it makes me sad that something cute has been killed.
Test Subject
#53 Old 29th Jan 2017 at 9:06 PM
Luckily I'm vegetarian, so no, I don't eat cats or dogs and am not planning on doing so.
Top Secret Researcher
#54 Old 7th Feb 2017 at 10:59 PM
I saw the post and, I've thought about this, but only for short instances of time. Now that I saw this, and crowkeeper's post, I can surelly say that that's the only reason why it's more acceptable to eat livestock meat than a dog/cat meat. And also men should find dogs and cats more valuable in other regard (like hunt, or pest control).

I actually find it a bit cruel to kill animals, as I was always sure they deffinitely have some kind of conciousness (not as developed as human, but still), and that they also have emotions. Yeah, I'm 100% sure animals have emotions, even though scientist find it debatable (only to be able to justify animal killing).

My grandma had a sheep and a lamb on her farm. This summer I was in visit, and at first, those two were afraid, a bit agressive too, mother was protecting her child after all. After a month spent together, those two started getting used to my company. Eventually they even took food from my hand. Then they started begging for food and even jumped around like crazy whenever they saw me or my mother aproaching. I once even saw the lamb climb onto it's mother. They still did not like stroking though... but it was a great month spent with those two.

Then the mother sheep died, and everybody was sad. Little lamb was left alone. At first it seemed like it did not notice that her mother was gone, but after a week it started sulking, and we had to make it eat. It did not want to get out of it house, it did not want to walk often, we had to keep her alive. After some time she started eating properly again, and she would also come to us for comfort. She even allowed us to pet her. So another month passed, and it looked like the lamb got over it. She was also starting to look like a grown sheep herself. I remember when my family was leaving the farm, when we were going back home it saluted us with a loud "BAAAA" and ran across the yard just to say goodbye.

15 days ago I hear it's been killed for meat, as my uncle had no interest in keeping her alive from the beginning. I was a bit sad, but my understanding of the situation did not allow me to cry. My sister on the other hand, she was a mess that day.

I don't really find the act of taking away life of any form majestic or grand but seeing it as nececarry I do find it reasonable and acceptable.

The western culture developed certain viewpoint that cats and dogs should have a different use and not that of a food, while much larger animals are far more valuable in that regard. Eastern cultures (China) though, have their viewpoints on that matter that also developed long time ago. I don't really blame them, all of the cultures are different in lot of ways, and eating of cats and dogs is their developed custom. But I still find it strange, growing up under the western culture influence and because of that not being able to understand the eastern viewpoint.

I am against globalization, it has it's own good points, but it is far more hectic and unable to control than anybody else thinks. Still, seeing some weird and, from my side, unacceptable customs over different cultures makes me question the need for maintaining the integrity of the nationality, especially when the most of such culture is based on violence and exploit... Though, what am I talking about? The "civilization" is the prime example of those traits.

I went further and jumped across the topic of this thread... I always do such thing when debating. When it comes to this, I think it should be individual. You can't place the sticker of your opinion over the whole humanity. If certain people prefer dog and cat meat over other, why not... Yours is to judge them, but accept the fact that it's how that person is. What would happen if there was a law across the world that prohibits the dog meat? Would it stop it's exploit... I don't think so. We have a whole nation, that contains one third of our species, develop a specific taste for dog meat over the course of history. I don't really see how can that be surpressed now and how can one tiny opinion, or any opinion, change that.
Instructor
#55 Old 8th Feb 2017 at 12:29 AM
Yay! that is all.

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Alchemist
#56 Old 27th Feb 2017 at 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowkeeper
Maybe plants do feel pain and maybe they dont but that doesn't mean that being killed (cutted, picked) isn't a terrible experience for them.


INTERESTINGLY.... (To add to your point)
http://relaximanentomologist.tumblr...sects-feel-pain
TLDR, insects do feel pain...but not the same way we do. They understand that they are being damaged, but they don't have an emotional response to pain that humans and many higher evolved species.
Your cat, for example, can feel fear along with pain. So can your dog. So can many others. https://academic.oup.com/bioscience...ring-Passionate

So almost certainly, plants do feel pain, but not in the emotional sense that we do. However, cats and dogs....definitely respond to pain with emotion, same as us.
However, it's also a luxury to be able to see animals as friends rather than food. I think first world countries tend to forget that, and take what systems they have, for granted. In a lot of the countries that do eat cats and dogs, there aren't many other sources of food, and cats and dogs are plentiful because none of them are neutered or spayed. It only makes sense in such places to eat the most plentiful source of food available, and it's very easy to preach to those countries from atop a pedestal crafted of alternative foods.

@mixa97sr: No, scientists do not "find it debatable (only to be able to justify animal killing)". Science is concerned with evidence, and more and more scientific studies ARE finding evidence that animals feel pain. And no, science doesn't have an agenda, unless you count "clarifying the world we live in to other humans" as an agenda. Dogs and cats have scientific backing to support the hypothesis that they experience things like happiness, sadness, fear, depression, and apprehension. My personal thoughts on this is that that's a large part in why we're able to form connections with them so easily: We understand their emotions on a visceral level.
But, again. I don't live in a country that needs to eat cats or dogs to survive. We really don't need to eat a lot of animals to survive, really, and we're getting much better at humane killing (Which, as oxymoronic as it may seem, does involve not subjecting the animal to unnecessary stressors before it's killed....death may be necessary, but it doesn't need to be cruel).

"The more you know, the sadder you get."~ Stephen Colbert
"Science literacy is a vaccine against the charlatans of the world that would exploit your ignorance."~ Neil DeGrasse Tyson
"I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." ~ Jon Stewart
Test Subject
#57 Old 10th Apr 2017 at 12:45 PM
In our western world of course we say no. We tend to eat smarter animals like horses and pigs. Or gentler animals like cows. Or lambs that come for cuddles. I do not object to what anyone eats, I object to how they go about it. In no way does an animal need to suffer or be afraid that is purely barbarism and a power play. Those people in China need to be whipped, skinned and roasted. Nuff said.
Test Subject
#58 Old 10th May 2017 at 8:00 AM

"The call isn't out there at all! It's inside me!" - Moana
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