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Mad Poster
#51 Old 14th Oct 2017 at 7:25 PM
Quote: Originally posted by GrijzePilion
If everything operated on a donation principle, it'd be a new shade of socialism and it'd be glorious. See: Americans using GoFundMe to pay for their medical bills, crowdfunded games, politics-related petitions et cetera.
And you guys are absolutely right about Patreon and things like that, it's a great and not at all objectionable way to make some money on the side.


Donations is fine. I've got nothing aginst donations. Just keep in mind that it's only a donation if it
A: is voluntary
B: offers no gifts, no special CC, or isn't otherwise a pay item in disguise.

If you have to donate to get a special item, it's a pay item. Don't get tricked into tinking otherwise. There's no difference between "donate to get item X" and "pay to get item X".

If people use sites like Patreon to offer "special downloads" not downloadable for free (maybe unless it's available after a certain time), it's essentially a version of a pay site.
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#52 Old 19th Oct 2017 at 1:21 PM
Yeah the same Jeweller Add was popping up continually in IE11 before I could click the Save as button. I fixed it by changing to Edge, so maybe try Chrome or something, it seems IE11 is at its use by date. 2- 6 bad certificate errors popped up on every second page of TSR and the "show all content" thing was rampant there.
Mad Poster
#53 Old 21st Oct 2017 at 9:24 PM Last edited by RoxEllen1965 : 11th Nov 2017 at 9:47 PM. Reason: Removed my signature since it only applies to Sims 2
I just found a new blog that I thought might interest folks here.

"Ad-Free Creators United" blog.
https://adfreecc.tumblr.com/

How it works, how to contribute, etc.
https://adfreecc.tumblr.com/post/16...little-idea-ive
Mad Poster
#54 Old 21st Oct 2017 at 9:41 PM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
If you have to donate to get a special item, it's a pay item. Don't get tricked into tinking otherwise. There's no difference between "donate to get item X" and "pay to get item X".
If people use sites like Patreon to offer "special downloads" not downloadable for free (maybe unless it's available after a certain time), it's essentially a version of a pay site.

I think it's acceptable if donation is not part of their "regular" content. If they put out content periodically, as usual, for free, and occasionally add a premium item on the side, as an extra for donators, it isn't really a business model or anything.

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Theorist
#55 Old 22nd Oct 2017 at 2:06 AM
Quote: Originally posted by GrijzePilion
I think it's acceptable if donation is not part of their "regular" content. If they put out content periodically, as usual, for free, and occasionally add a premium item on the side, as an extra for donators, it isn't really a business model or anything.

I didn't mind when Sandy had premium CC only for "donators" because it was a one-time donation to access *all* of them, past and future, and it could be literally *any* amount, even just $1. I definitely didn't feel ripped off. it's those fucking $20 a month to get their premium content packages that's fucking disgusting, and makes me wish EA would crack down on that shit. Just like Youtube won't let you monetise videos that use other people's work.
Instructor
#56 Old 23rd Oct 2017 at 5:31 PM
Quote: Originally posted by GrijzePilion
I think it's acceptable if donation is not part of their "regular" content. If they put out content periodically, as usual, for free, and occasionally add a premium item on the side, as an extra for donators, it isn't really a business model or anything.


I disagree, Patreon is being used for subscriptions because the site is designed to be auto-renewal monthly payments, you actually have to manually turn off payments and this is why some not updated in a year are still getting a few hundreds due to people not turning off payments.

This is why the shift towards the sweet sweet Patreon monies, its a monthly subscription despite everyone pretending it isnt ... for now, I am sure the IRS will eventually turn their attention towards it eventually, death and taxes ...
Scholar
#57 Old 24th Oct 2017 at 1:32 AM
Broke: Paying for CC.

Woke: Torrenting paid CC.

Baroque: Breaking into CC modders' homes and stealing their entire computers.

I'm writing a TV series, yeah. It's a cross between True Detective and Pretty Little Liars.
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#58 Old 19th Mar 2020 at 11:41 PM
Uh oh, here I am resurrecting my thread that hasn't been responded to in almost 3 years! I'm committing shameful acts here.

Why am I resurrecting this, you may ask? Because I wanted to discuss something I just found on a creator's simblr and didn't think it would make sense to make a new thread for a topic that was essentially already being discussed in this thread.

MAC Cosimetics, for those of you who don't know, is a creator who makes custom makeup for the Sims 4. I personally like their makeup. It has a realistic look, and a lot of it is based on real makeup from real makeup brands. Like I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, their site got taken down because people were reporting their forced Adfly links, and they were basically unseen for awhile. But apparently that's changed. This is what the FAQs on their simblr says:
Quote:
• Will your content ever be public?

Due to theft, Patreon content will no longer be made public. However, there will be at least one free release per week for those who are unable to pledge or simply choose not to.

• Why are some of your old links are suspended?

A lot of my adfly links were broken because of reports from users who don’t believe in adfly or wanted completely free content and nothing for me in return. Thats the short version of the story. I’ve since moved ALL of my content, old and new, to Patreon where it is safe from things like that. You can find everything there.

In other words, "I got pissy because people wanted custom content that's supposed to be free to be free, so now all my content is behind a paywall except for every once in awhile where I'll post one free item to throw a bone to the greedy people who don't want to pay me."

I'm seriously turned off by their tone here. Making content for The Sims is a hobby, not a job. Do you think I expect people to pay me for the custom sims I upload here? Fuck no. For one thing, I don't think the sims I post are even good enough to justify asking real money for them
But also, I recognize that The Sims is not my career. I have a real job on the side. (by the way, I know there are influencers and Let's Players like Deligracy and Sim Supply who DO base their careers on The Sims with their YouTube content...this isn't referring to them. I'm mainly talking about custom content creators who make content in their free time and claim that alone is their job)

I feel like it's incredibly pretentious and snobby for creators like this to just expect payment for it and be offended if they don't get any. If you want to have a Patreon or Donations available on your site, you're more than welcome to. But to put all of your content behind a paywall with this whole attitude like "You can't just expect completely free content" makes you look like a total asshat. Long story short, I'm only going to download from MAC Cosimetics if it's through some sort of site similar to the booty. Their attitude alone makes me want to deliberately take their content without paying them.

This post probably felt like a whole lot of nothing, but I'm kinda interested in a discussion on creators like this who believe they should receive payment for any custom content they produce (even though it's kinda scummy to try to profit off of somebody else's game.. ). So...feel free to chat away

The simmer formerly known as Averex
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Mad Poster
#59 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 12:28 AM
Funny, I tried to look them up on google and downwithpatreon site came up as first search result.
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#60 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 12:45 AM
Quote: Originally posted by crocobaura
Funny, I tried to look them up on google and downwithpatreon site came up as first search result.

Yeaaaah, that may or may not have been what I was referring to when I said "sites similar to the booty."

Seriously though, I'm fine with creators using Patreon on the side. But to put ALL of your content on there?? How is this any different from the pay sites from the TS2 era?

This shit reminds me of women who go around online trying to peddle their pyramid scheme business and then go "Noooo we're totally not a pyramid scheme I swear!!" when you call them out for 100% being a pyramid scheme

The simmer formerly known as Averex
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Mad Poster
#61 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 1:09 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Averex
Yeaaaah, that may or may not have been what I was referring to when I said "sites similar to the booty."

Seriously though, I'm fine with creators using Patreon on the side. But to put ALL of your content on there?? How is this any different from the pay sites from the TS2 era?

This shit reminds me of women who go around online trying to peddle their pyramid scheme business and then go "Noooo we're totally not a pyramid scheme I swear!!" when you call them out for 100% being a pyramid scheme


If stuff is patreons members only, then it's not really a donation but a subscription service. Anyway, people who don't have the money to pay for stuff, won't, so it's not like they are losing any patrons.
Mad Poster
#62 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 2:26 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 20th Mar 2020 at 2:38 AM.
A donation is giving something and expecting nothing in return except for knowing the cause is able to continue. It's basically charity - giving money or time for a cause because you want to support it, not because you expect to get something special for it. (like a donation to help keep a site up).

If you give money to someone and expect to get stuff back, then that's called buying. Or subscription. Or whatever else you decide to call it - but it's not a donation.

- You can share items for free on Patreon, which is fine.

- There's also a possibility of a subscription service for pre-release items (which is strictly within the EULA as long as the items are shared for free after a certain period of time). It's in a gray area, but as long as creators stick to the rule, it's not the shadiest business, and if someone wants to pay to be the first owners of that CC, then sure - it's up to them.

- It's the "members only" thing that bothers me about Patreon. This part of it is what makes Patreon into one of the many stinky paysites - especially when the creators advertise their members-only items HEAVILY on sites like Tumblr (reblogging at least ten times per week or some such). That's not alright.

Imagine if there was a restriction that said those who only offer their CC as paid content or behind adfly could ONLY use paid content or items from adfly links - and not a single bit of free CC, or free creation tools or the like. I wonder what they'd do then... All the Sim-spesific tools are free, Blender is free, and a lot of creators are using a lot of their spare time to make free CC and CC-making tools, so why these people seem to think their CC is so "special" they need to be paid for it is a little sad since they're dependent on a lot of these free tools to get the items into their games in the first place...
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#63 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 2:58 AM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
All the Sim-spesific tools are free, Blender is free, and a lot of creators are using a lot of their spare time to make free CC and CC-making tools, so why these people seem to think their CC is so "special" they need to be paid for it is a little sad since they're dependent on a lot of these free tools to get the items into their games in the first place...

EXACTLY. They act so entitled about it and it makes them look like stuck-up twats.

The simmer formerly known as Averex
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Smeg Head
#64 Old 20th Mar 2020 at 10:42 AM Last edited by coolspear1 : 20th Mar 2020 at 10:53 AM.
For creators in this day and age to ignore the fact Adfly is very problematic avenue for many to use, it shows how little they care for the well-being of your computer just so they can earn something pathetic like one percent of a penny for every billion hits. Ignorant asshats. It has nothing to do with wanting the content for free, expecting the content for free. It's that Adfly is an utter cesspool, your Antivirus is up in arms the second it starts, and how many times does it fail to take you to an actual download, instead to some dead end page that says you're blocked. If creators are ignoring these facts to whine about people wanting their stuff for free, they are careless fucking idiots. I would say clueless, but I think they already know the problems and actually benefit from them. Such that if Adfly were a charm to use, and you got the download first time, all the while your Antivirus remains quiet, they get less pennies per gazillion. Because as sure as eggs are eggs, you will keep trying the damn Adfly link multiple times before you give up running into a dead end or your Antivirus red alerts become too damn annoying. How many more advert, hundredth-of-a-penny profit did those fuckers just make out of that? Yeah, shitbags through and through. Happy to fuck up your computer for one per cent of a penny, over and over. Charming people. Keep your rotten shit.

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#65 Old 22nd Mar 2020 at 9:23 PM
This is one of the reasons why I haven't crossed over to the Sims 4. Back during the Sims 3 days, doing shit like this was frowned upon. For one it WAS illegal, not really sure what TOU is for that anymore. The Sims is NOT Second Life. So why are cc creators charging for creations for a game they don't own?? If it's takes so much time, then just don't do it, or better yet, get a job with EA... EA has to see it's cutting into their budget. People creating hacks for their game and charging people for it. I know many simmers are having to choose between wanting custom content in their game or just sticking to what EA makes. This whole era is foul, and the game is boring... I'm good!!!
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