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MTS Speed-Building Challenge - posted on 17th Oct 2018 at 7:25 PM
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#1 Old 18th May 2018 at 10:12 PM
Default Political Correctness-Should it exist?
i think it should not exist because so what if someone gets offended? they should get over it,free speech means we can say what we want so why is everyone so concerned about "offending people"? in my opinion if you don't like what someone is saying don't listen to it.

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#2 Old 22nd May 2018 at 8:48 PM
I mostly agree, but would like to say that intentionally being hateful and/or using hateful language is NOT okay.

It's not okay to think/say others should change to accommodate complete strangers.
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#3 Old 22nd May 2018 at 8:51 PM
Just stick the middle finger up to it and tell them ‘you ain’t brainwashing me!!’

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#4 Old 29th May 2018 at 7:18 PM
We need political correctness to a degree, so that we aren't rude or offensive but not brainwashed into kindness. I agree with you mostly, but I think we still need respect for others,
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#5 Old 11th Aug 2018 at 4:38 AM
Political correctness is necessary as a concept, however, I feel that due to its loose and careless usage these days, it's either used in some deontological manner (which I don't like) or it's tossed at people who genuinely care or trying to learn about human advocacy things, which diminishes its value. For example, one could be be against something so basic (such as being against slurs or violent rhetoric against a group of persons) -- that some or most would agree with -- and someone would take their outrage as being "PC". I've seen folks accused of practicing political correctness for the simplest things, such as not referring to disabled people as the r word. As for the deontological point, I don't like things being done solely out of a sense of duty. Being considerate and having common courtesy shouldn't be a chore. It lacks sincerity in my opinion.

In essence, it as a concept and idea has good intent but the way its regarded and (over/mis)used makes it become as meaningless as the word "triggered" has. With that being said, freedom of speech is certainly a freedom, but free speech isn't without consequences nor a shield against opposition.
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#6 Old 12th Aug 2018 at 8:46 PM
What exactly do you mean by political correctness? Do you mean we should just stop being civil. Do you want to use the N word on black people or the f word on gay people and not be bothered about if they'll be offended? Will you also get over it if others call you the C word cause they don't like you? If that's not what you mean? Then what exactly are you talking about when you say political correctness?
Free speech gives you the right to say whatever you want without having to go to prison. That's all it does. You can still face other consequences like get banned from a website for eg. because bullying is against their rules. Freedom of speech won't stop your friends and family from shunning you because of the things you say.
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#7 Old 3rd Oct 2018 at 4:50 PM
Political correctness (to ME) means POLITICIANS decide what people should say (even making spoken things illegal). And yes, I understand why some things are illegal to say - like yelling "fire", or saying you're going to kill someone (is assault). But it is NOT just the idea of being civil to each other. And people in general (sheeple) have been taught to just go along with what they "should" think. And now it is a messed up, over-used term, and concept. To the advocates, it means it is not OK for men to belittle women, but it is OK for women to belittle men. Any time you can substitute one gender/race/etc for another in a statement, the statement is crap. As: "All white men are bigots", "All black people like fried chicken", "All blonds are stupid". I'm just using these as examples of not-logical thinking; if you believe any of these statements, or IF YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE SOME OTHER GROUP & think it's correct - you are wack. Stupid. Bigotted." Political correctness" does this all the time. The Woman's Movement, The ME TOO generation, the Professional Insulted people. Brainwashed sheeple. But only children want to run to Daddy and complain that someone is being mean to them.

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#8 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 7:58 AM
Putting "political correctness" into Google yields this definition:
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the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.


Oftentimes people who claim they're being "brutally honest" emphasize the "brutal" part, disregarding the effect their statements have on the listener. It is important to consider that words do hurt and may have long lasting effects on how one perceives themselves. Saying "words only have as much weight as you give them" is nice in theory, but it's impossible to completely detach yourself emotionally from someone hiding under the guise of "honesty" to attack you.

By the definition above, political correctness is a form of self censorship - which, like all forms of censorship, has the potential to go downhill badly if mishandled. A lot of discourse I've been seeing online lately emphasizes censorship for the sake of shutting others down, whereas I think it's crucial to understand WHY we must censor ourselves. It's important to relate to the "others" and understand the root of the words and actions that offend, not hide behind a shield of fake honesty and throw the blame on the "others" for being offended. Censorship should never be employed to foster ignorance.

I do believe everyone has bad thoughts towards people different from them, even in passing. But it's entirely our choice whether to act on those thoughts or not.

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#9 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 2:26 PM
Besides, that definition is not at all what people actually do. As; it is now "politically correct" to say white people are bigots, but not to say black people are bigots. It's OK to criticize men (in lots of ways), but not to criticize women (just in general).

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#10 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 3:18 PM
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Originally Posted by grammapat
Besides, that definition is not at all what people actually do. As; it is now "politically correct" to say white people are bigots, but not to say black people are bigots. It's OK to criticize men (in lots of ways), but not to criticize women (just in general).

I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).

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#11 Old 13th Oct 2018 at 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetdevil
I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).


It is however what many ppl think, if not says out loud. I live in the "feminist/PC/extremist/communist"-country of Sweden, and we clearly see horrible psychological effects from the #Metoo-movement as well as the anti-racists, anti-white,anti-male (and the immigration-wave to Europe) of late. Sweden is slowly turning into a dysfunctional Soviet-clone (lies,corruption,propaganda) with an extreme globalist/neo-liberal agenda. We currently have no functional government bc the "extremists" -(or the opposition)- namely 17% of the voters- has to be excluded and discriminated against due to Swedens socialist past as well as our nazi-history. So,imho,growing up with noble PC-ideals was just fine once upon a time (on emotional and philosophical levels, I used to be a liberal humanist myself) until they became the actual politics of our country. PC, after all, is a form of bullying. Oppression never feels ok.

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#12 Old 14th Oct 2018 at 6:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetdevil
I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).


It's rampant among university students, and guess who will be the ruling class in a few years.
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#13 Old 17th Oct 2018 at 9:09 PM Last edited by ShadowMT13 : 17th Oct 2018 at 9:21 PM.
As far as I am concerned, nothing political is right or wrong. People will always have their opinions and sometimes you just need to accept them. As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as political correctness since I see problems in any political mind set with how people think. Yes some are more level headed with their political opinions and how they think something should be ran, but from my experiences in a rather political family where we have republicans, democrats, and liberals all in the same family circle no one is ever fully right nor are they fully wrong. I also personally don't agree with how politics of the USA work honestly and I feel they are broken and we should do better with how we run things. But I am unsure, should it exist? Well truth be told rather it should or not people will always have their political opinions and rather the idea of Political correctness exists or not, it will not make much of a difference. Though to be fair the USA would be a nicer place if we actually gave a crap about one another more, I come from a town that is so toxic it gets sickening sometimes. I am hoping to move somewhere soon where respect for strangers matters more.

Reading the comments perhaps I am thinking of the wrong type of politics. But it is clear that we should all probably stop flaming each other and what not. I myself don't follow any specific ideology and only agree with my own thoughts on certain things since it is futile trying to debate anything with people now and days rather they are right or wrong. I will take opinions with a pinch of salt and for the most part I avoid debates regarding topics I myself am more sensitive to. Unless I see someone's "opinions" as constructive criticism I typically just don't listen if it sounds mainly like just flaming or insulting a specific group.
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