I never directly addressed this case and did not even bother to read the link because it’s nothing new.

I did say that it takes a special person to work with these kids and while you come off sincere and caring about what you do you can only speak for yourself. The government gets what it pays for and a small amount of the time they get lucky but make no mistake, these kids are on the bottom of their priority list and the kids knows it, how can they not? We understand the deal and maybe, just maybe the government of the people, by the people, for the people, will one day grasp what it all means before it is to late. :busted: :salute:

Obviously that is a little more serious. Did Boy have a prior history of problems doing this sort of thing? Did the girl lead him on in any way? Since it is related to the article, what kind of punishment is he receiving?



Perhaps in both cases, but keep in mind that the girls felt pressure in the first place to make statements that the authorities wanted to hear. I don't see that as being any better and in many ways something much worse.

Here's something else that's sad but true... I know of two cases locally of young girls that have used the threat of sexual harassment to extort money from the boy's families even though the boys didn't do anything. Another problem is that when the system starts handing out extreme sentences for petty offenses, the only thing it's going to accomplish is to make hardened criminals out of people that may have otherwise gone on to be productive citizens, and who in the end are going to be a drain on society.



Nobody is trying to prove these boys are innocent. What others including myself are protesting is the extreme treatment these boys are getting from the authorities. Even the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.



It's not refusing to accept that juvenile crime exists... far from it. What's being called into question is whether or not butt slapping is worth making a criminal offense out of, much less a felony and making these boys registered sex offenders.



Probably as long as humans have walked the earth. As far as the commentary you have seen, it's no doubt because they see the situation for what it is, an overreaction on the part of a zealous DA.



Why shouldn't they? If they feel that a miscarriage of justice is happening, they have the right to fight it. Many people have risked far greater for what they perceived to be injustices in the world as opposed to taking the easy way out and simply submitting. The article indicates that they have already spent $10k on the case so far, and are expecting to spend even more, so they are putting a lot on the line.

I don't 'minimize' what they did. They knew (at some level) what they did was wrong. BUt a lifetime on the sex offender registry IS NOT THE ANSWER. That's what truly bothers me.

I have never said I agreed with their having to register as sex offenders. No judge in his right mind would agree to that either -- that much faith in the system I do have.

I think this debate has come down to several different questions aside from the original: when is horseplay a crime?

-- Should butt-slapping be a crime? (Right now it is). Should it only be a crime for adults?

-- Should juveniles ever have to register as sexual offenders for life?

-- What should we do with kids who commit crimes?

-- Should the media ever be able to list the names and pictures of children accused of crimes?


I'm pretty sure y'll know where I stand...

1. If you slap someone on the butt that doesn't want you touching them or barely evens knows you then yes it's a crime of sexual harrassment
2. It depends..in this case no I don't think they should have to register as sexual offenders but there have been a few cases where someone even as young as 12-13 have raped someone.In that case,I can see that happening
3. Kids with crimes should spend sometime locked up somewhere for a few eeks and then forced to a threapist and community service.Usaully when a young person commits crimes that young,it's because they are having issues with the world around them and don't know of any other way to express their anger and sadness
4.Yes. Embarrasment sucks but when it comes to stuff like this, it may turn peole off from doing things.

UPDATE!



More in-line with what they were doing, and guilty of!

Nice to see the DA in that case coming back to the same planet the rest of us live on :howdy: :Slap:

Are you kidding me? In Saudi Arabia, alright I can see that, but America?

I think in one of the other posts it explains that the girl - both girls, were punch drunk and one was only 15, and therefore a minor.

EDIT: Okay.. read this page. Glad to see it's been sorted
See yas :howdy:

Gawd... Juvinile Prison? Sex Offenders register for slapping a girls' BUTT??
Wow! I must say no police ever get involved in our school over butt slapping, breast grabbing.. y'know boys are hormonal gits from the ages 12 - at least 16 And... if you have never been to my school... or my friends, which is MUCH worse than mine on the sexual 'harrassment' front. But seriously, the teachers aren't even AWARE of what goes on in the hallways, either that or they turn a blind eye but.. I can't get over my initial WHAT??? WTH is going ON now?? Personally I am so much more worried about some 40 year old pervert coming onto me in th street ... or being raped, than some boy in my year slapping my butt... I think they KNOW that it's not the sort of theing you DO as an adult ect, but it's a bit of fun ... a dare, a show-off-to-my-mates... not something to be on the sex offenders register ...

I remember my akward years... Had a friend do the samething, though it was more of a pinch then a slap, but all he got was a phone call to mom who explained how offensive it is and how it is punishable.

I myself remember getting slapped on the ass when I was in Boyscouts! We were presenting the American Flag for a basketball game, and the mascot danced in the background. Apperently that guy in the bear suit found it hilarious to slap my 12 year old bum, and so did the crowd. I remember crying from embarassment once I got to the parkinglot.

I never really thought of it as a sexual thing my whole life though, I always saw it as rowdy interaction that could be insulting. Whenever I pictured a guy, say... Slapping a waitress on the butt I never thought "Well then, he must be imagining her rear end nude" but rather "He's being a jerk". Kinda complimentary, in a sleezy rude way.

I really never saw what's the big deal with this. If I was in control, I would have gave a fair enough punishment to teach the lesson it isn't acceptable. I have a feeling I can't use the "It's insulting. Can you imagine how those girls felt?" argument, because I've seen girls play along to this sorta thing before, and that really doesn't help...

Personally, I think school punishment now days is too harsh. I think that the law should stay out of the school system unless something really serious and severe happens, like bringing a gun to school and things of that nature.

But I don't feel that charges should be pressed against young children for being young children. They're only trying to test their boundries and limits, and if they over step those boundries then they should be punished, but not by the state or county. The responsibility should be left to the school with whom the children have been entrusted to and to the parents.

I think it's really harsh and unneccessary to press charges against two boys who, very simply put, made a bad choice. They should be punished and they should be made to understand that what they did was inappropriate and wrong, but spend time in juvie?

The world is so concerned with being politically correct that it's starting to get a little ridiculous. Kids can't be kids anymore and they aren't allowed to make mistakes.