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#1
9th Mar 2017 at 8:01 AM
Last edited by SuicidiaParasidia : 9th Mar 2017 at 8:48 AM.
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CIA Leaks, Justifiable or Detrimental?
Debate room needs livening up...so...what better than the latest American drama?WHAT'S UP , BITCHEEEES?
Here is what I have to say about it, in the form of a spoiler because it's insanely long and I know we Americans are allergic to textual length:
A) A lot of the data the CIA has on American people is metadata, legally sold and bought via people not reading their fucking ToS (Which will say that by accepting, you often waive your right to the 4th amendment, which is a thing...look at our courts, it's entirely possible to waive the right to counsel for police interrogations and court cases). This is a lot of the reason behind the loophole legalized spying. Many Terms of Service agreements (A mile long, so people skip them) require the user to waive their right to privacy in order to proceed. People can't be bothered to look at what they're getting into, the newer generation is apparently allergic to reading. What's truly upsetting about this is that I've seen a lot of millennials bitch about the baby boomers gullibility, but WTF do they think they're doing when they click I Accept on a legal contract that forfeits their 4th amendment right? Is that really any better??
B) OF FUCKING COURSE A SPY AGENCY WILL LIE ABOUT SPYING. It's kind of in the job description to not give shit away. There are multiple reasons for this, including getting your balls severed by fellow (corrupt) agents, getting jailed for TREASON (Snowden), and violating the law (Also Snowden). In effect, you're asking the legit CIA agents who don't abuse their power, to jeopardize their families, their way of earning a living, and living safely in their own country for the sake of informing the largely derpy public. Additionally, if they DO share what they actually have...guess what...those folks that we never hear about because the honest CIA agents have stopped them? They get through, because they know our CIA's game plan. We would suffer more terrorist attacks than we already do.
C) It is absolutely illegal to tap people's appliances without their agreement/knowledge. This is where technology and consent reach a merging point: We the people can definitely push for legislation prohibiting such organizations from asking us to forfeit our rights (Meta data farming), and make it punishable by law to not inform a customer of a products' defects that could compromise their constitutional rights....but some of the CIA is clearly not concerned with obeying the law, and there are too many punishments implemented to make actually calling to light these betrayals worth it. We the people, if we want to promote transparency where it concerns us, need to take away the horrible punishments associated with "tattling" on the CIA. And we need to be not allergic to reading. Accountability really needs to be a thing, in every profession. However, people also shouldn't get too carried away about their distrust in such government apparatuses. Much like in every other profession in the world, there will always be those who earn a shitty reputation for their peers, and we would undoubtedly be worse off without those individuals fighting on our behalf...but we should focus on identifying and removing the corrupt ones, not punishing the people who help us to do so. Snowden comes to mind. He should not have to come home, to be jailed or assassinated, in a country that he gave everything up for to inform.
EDIT: There's also the problem of non-citizen Americans who are NOT legally protected by the constitution. Aside from this category including most of the rest of the world, we in America also have a lot of unofficial Americans who are not entitled to the things our constitution dictates, whom also contribute a lot to our economy. Ignoring the ridiculous attempt at an immigration ban by Trump, this is worrisome, in that our hard-working neighbors could potentially be targeted by such powerful organizations as the CIA, with nothing to back them up in a court, if an agent was enough of a dick to pick on them.
(And this is all assuming that WikiLeaks is completely uninfluenced by any side of the globe. Shit's about to get real hairy if it's proven otherwise....but according to WL, proof can be forged. Who can soundly believe in what, nowadays?)
B) OF FUCKING COURSE A SPY AGENCY WILL LIE ABOUT SPYING. It's kind of in the job description to not give shit away. There are multiple reasons for this, including getting your balls severed by fellow (corrupt) agents, getting jailed for TREASON (Snowden), and violating the law (Also Snowden). In effect, you're asking the legit CIA agents who don't abuse their power, to jeopardize their families, their way of earning a living, and living safely in their own country for the sake of informing the largely derpy public. Additionally, if they DO share what they actually have...guess what...those folks that we never hear about because the honest CIA agents have stopped them? They get through, because they know our CIA's game plan. We would suffer more terrorist attacks than we already do.
C) It is absolutely illegal to tap people's appliances without their agreement/knowledge. This is where technology and consent reach a merging point: We the people can definitely push for legislation prohibiting such organizations from asking us to forfeit our rights (Meta data farming), and make it punishable by law to not inform a customer of a products' defects that could compromise their constitutional rights....but some of the CIA is clearly not concerned with obeying the law, and there are too many punishments implemented to make actually calling to light these betrayals worth it. We the people, if we want to promote transparency where it concerns us, need to take away the horrible punishments associated with "tattling" on the CIA. And we need to be not allergic to reading. Accountability really needs to be a thing, in every profession. However, people also shouldn't get too carried away about their distrust in such government apparatuses. Much like in every other profession in the world, there will always be those who earn a shitty reputation for their peers, and we would undoubtedly be worse off without those individuals fighting on our behalf...but we should focus on identifying and removing the corrupt ones, not punishing the people who help us to do so. Snowden comes to mind. He should not have to come home, to be jailed or assassinated, in a country that he gave everything up for to inform.
EDIT: There's also the problem of non-citizen Americans who are NOT legally protected by the constitution. Aside from this category including most of the rest of the world, we in America also have a lot of unofficial Americans who are not entitled to the things our constitution dictates, whom also contribute a lot to our economy. Ignoring the ridiculous attempt at an immigration ban by Trump, this is worrisome, in that our hard-working neighbors could potentially be targeted by such powerful organizations as the CIA, with nothing to back them up in a court, if an agent was enough of a dick to pick on them.
(And this is all assuming that WikiLeaks is completely uninfluenced by any side of the globe. Shit's about to get real hairy if it's proven otherwise....but according to WL, proof can be forged. Who can soundly believe in what, nowadays?)
And of course other countries are allowed to weigh in. We were supposed to be a melting pot, before Trump and his merry band of Looney Toons took over.
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#2
10th Mar 2017 at 10:10 AM
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The CIA is not supposed to operate on American soil, period. This shows that they are so they should be shut down, because they broke the very law that allows them to exist in the first place.
Also if they are spying on us with out a warrant and showing cause before a judge, then they can't complain about us doing likewise to them.
I would rather die in a terrorist attack, then live in Hitler's wet dream, which is what the united states is rapidly becoming.
My PC specs.
Windows 7 64 bit,AMD FX 4300 quad core processor, 8 gigs DDR3 ram, 1 gig Geforce 9500 graphics card, patch 1.67.2
Every time I reinstall the game I run it clean without any CC, not even the store bought stuff so it isn't CC or mods that cause me trouble.
Also if they are spying on us with out a warrant and showing cause before a judge, then they can't complain about us doing likewise to them.
I would rather die in a terrorist attack, then live in Hitler's wet dream, which is what the united states is rapidly becoming.
My PC specs.
Windows 7 64 bit,AMD FX 4300 quad core processor, 8 gigs DDR3 ram, 1 gig Geforce 9500 graphics card, patch 1.67.2
Every time I reinstall the game I run it clean without any CC, not even the store bought stuff so it isn't CC or mods that cause me trouble.
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