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30th Aug 2011, 01:15 AM
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missy harries
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Some may understand but not everyone wants to know  ....... Sad but true. Instead lets just all be comfortable in our own skins and if you think something bad just keep your mouth shut and let the rest be happy :P | |
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30th Aug 2011, 01:26 AM
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McChoclatey
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Homosexuality is so complex, yet so simple at the same time. Simple, because it's just man loving another man and a women loving another women, the same as a man would be loving a woman or vice versa. But it's complicated because many people don't know why some people like the same sex. Some people don't want to know, and others think they might know and blame it on something, causing so much anger, hate and confusion. A lot of people are just afraid of the unknown. |
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30th Aug 2011, 04:09 AM
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katy perry
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I don't think there will ever be a scientific explanation. Why cant we just accept some people are like that and roll with it rather than trying to analyze it? I mean say we do discover the scientific reason for homosexuality woopee-frickin-doo that information isn't exactly going to change anything in the world (except making the scientist, neurologist or whatever who discovered the explanation rich). In fact I see the potential for harm hypothetically. People starting to believe that gays have faulty enzymes or neurons. The question is, are we ready as a society for the reason why gays tick? Say it is some kind of mental abhorration, what's to say people wont just start looking at homosexuality as an illness that need to be cured? | |
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30th Aug 2011, 04:12 AM
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anime$star
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hell lol it doesnt matter if your gay bi les AND NO IM NOT IM STRAIGHT LOL just like lady gaga siad you were born this way yay im a fan lol |
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30th Aug 2011, 04:17 AM
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kiwi_tea
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I'm not saying the "why" will change how homosexuality matters socially. I'm just saying understanding "why" seems fairly possible. Sexuality is, at base, an aspect of neurology and psychology - it's not forever beyond humanity's feeble grasp. 
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Last edited by kiwi_tea : 30th Aug 2011 at 05:27 AM.
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30th Aug 2011, 04:33 AM
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katy perry
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The brain is a puzzle and I don't think were anywhere near answering this question conclusively. I mean, what makes some people like pizza and others hate it? Any kind of 'why do some people do/like this and others dont' type of question can all be brought down to psycology. | |
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30th Aug 2011, 05:05 AM
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Extensa5420
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No, I don't think it's all about psychology. That would imply everything happens in the brain, when sometimes, in certain instances, it does not. I've read about this in my Biology textbook about PTC testing, Sodium benzoate testing and how they affect your perception of certain foods. Because some students can taste PTC or sodium benzoate, they will perceive foods differently than those who can't. And this breaks down to genetics. Genetics can cause what you like or dislike something. Of course, psychology also plays a role. I remember there was a famous but sad psychology experiment on a little boy's fear with furry white things. That little boy became so traumatized by the experiment that he feared for everything that was furry. How sad! 
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30th Aug 2011, 08:23 AM
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Homosexuality probably isn't a hereditary thing. After all, straight parents have gay kids and, well, gay parents aren't -having- kids at all (at least without a surrogate or sperm donor). | |
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30th Aug 2011, 09:00 AM
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kiwi_tea
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Homosexuality is certainly not directly hereditary - eg. gay parent to gay child - but that isn't the only form of heredity. There are vague familial correlations associated with homosexuality. Women seem to have more gay kids the more male kids they have, and homosexuality definitely seems to run in families a lot. Speaking strictly in anecdotal terms for a second: I'm gay, my uncle (who I've never known) is gay, his late uncle was gay. My husband is gay, his older brother is gay. My friend and his brother are both gay. I know a family of four boys, three of whom are gay, and they have a gay cousin. It's not always the case, of course, but there does seem to be *some* hereditary element - or otherwise some extremely weird and family-specific environmental factor - it's just not remotely clear what it is. |
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30th Aug 2011, 10:57 PM
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katy perry
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Believe me I know what you're saying. Alcohol can change your perception of foods. Around midnight when I've been drinking beer at the pub all evening I scoff like 3 portions portion of deep fried chicken pakora with garlic sauce. Yummy.  It's worse if I've had a joint.Not quite what I was talking about but never mind. Oh yeah and the other weekend in the pub two of my girl mates had a snog for a laugh when they were drunk to wind up all the boys. Does that make them gay? | |
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31st Aug 2011, 12:26 AM
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Or those who are ashamed and unhappy with who they are and try to "become" straight. | |
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31st Aug 2011, 12:47 AM
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Extensa5420
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First you say it's not hereditary. Then you say it's probably not hereditary. Which one do you mean? Also, how can you be sure that it's not hereditary? Your certainty on this issue intrigues me. I would like to find out why you think it's not or probably not hereditary. Yes, homosexuality is not a choice. However, acting on one's sexual desires is a choice. Some people choose to act on their homosexual desires; some people do not. Same thing goes to heterosexuals. Some heterosexuals act on their heterosexual desires; some don't and remain celibate. That said, a person who never has had homosexual sex in his or her life may think that he or she has no homosexual desires at all. A person can choose to ignore sexual desires altogether, if they are bothersome to the person in question. So consciously, that person may say that he or she is straight, even though he or she may have homosexual desires but does not recognize them. |
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31st Aug 2011, 12:51 AM
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kiwi_tea
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Of course, sexual repression is quite unhealthy, psychologically. It is anyone's choice whether to have sex or not, but turning it into a big deal to be avoided - actively struggling against a harmless urge to do largely harmless things with other consenting people who you love (or just like and find arousing) - is a very difficult choice to live with unless you have a particularly low sex drive. Certainly a lot lower than average. A healthy moderated sex life is certainly oodles healthier than avoiding sex altogether when you do actually want it. People should probably ask themselves, very carefully, WHY they would find their sexual urges bothersome - because that seems a fairly unhealthy belief to start with. I mean... ...people can choose not to make friends, either, just keeping to themselves because they find other people bothersome. But you've got to wonder: Why? | |
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31st Aug 2011, 01:05 AM
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I really don't think it's that easy to repress your sexuality. In fact, I know it's not. Yes - you can certainly choose to not have sex with people of x gender. You can try to ignore your sexual thoughts about them... but that's very difficult. And when you start to get a crush on, or fall for, a friend of x gender - what do you do then? Abandon them and run away? Maybe I'm just a romantic, but I've never been able to help who I've fallen for... and trust me, I've tried hard on a few occasions. Never works. So how does a person respond to that - how do you fall in love with a person of x gender whilst staying convinced that you're not attracted to that gender at all? |
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31st Aug 2011, 01:44 AM
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Extensa5420
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This may be a little off-topic, but I say you should check out Great Expectations, by Charles Dickens. I find this Estella character very interesting. She is raised by a lonely old woman named Miss Havisham, whose heart was broken many years before the story is taken place, and is told to "break men's hearts". Herbert Pocket, Miss Havisham's nearest relation, knows about this and tells this to Pip or "Handel" as he calls his best friend. When Estella grows up, she tells Pip that she treats him differently from the other men. In the Victorian era, treating someone differently would mean something special; otherwise, why would you treat that person differently? Could it be that Estella has secret feelings for Pip but does not recognize them due to the psychological effect that Miss Havisham has on her? Could it be that Estella consciously says that she hates men but really she loves Pip for his character? On the other hand, Estella is a fictional character created by a somewhat anti-feminist author. How much credibility does she have really? |
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31st Aug 2011, 02:04 AM
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Pixelhate
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To repress your sexuality is certainly not easy but possible (and unhealthy). While some have their urge/emotion dominating their intellect, other are more the other way around. Repressing mechanisms are quite developed in human mind ! Responds could be : denial, lying to oneself, cutting yourself from your emotions, looking for a treatment, being convinced that you're sick, splitting personalities, going into "depression", starting to bash, insult and condemn those who are attracted to the same gender, ... | |
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31st Aug 2011, 04:38 AM
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Extensa5420
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Passion vs. Intellect Edward Fairfax Rochester vs. St. John Eyre Rivers In the novel, Jane Eyre, it looks like Edward F. Rochester wins over Jane Eyre's heart, because he is all about passion. For St. John Eyre Rivers, he does not win over Jane's heart, because he proposes to Jane on "logic", so he can take her to India and labor over missionary duties. St. John Eyre Rivers is attracted to Miss Oliver, but he is not that open about his sexuality. I am afraid that he finds his feelings uncomfortable and distracting to bear, so he ignores them and look for someone who would be compatible for him on his way to India to do missionary work rather than to be a loving, caring wife. As you can see, this young man can easily be seen as a "sexually repressed heterosexual". |
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31st Aug 2011, 09:52 AM
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31st Aug 2011, 10:58 AM
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That seems as though it might be the wrong way round though, doesn't it? It might be that those physical traits get expressed as part of a chromosomal construct that makes the person gay rather than causing that person to be gay. It's an association you are describing there, not a causation. Furthermore, are you sure that the studies you looked at made a clear association between inheritance of genetic material and expression of sexuality or were there possible environmental factors in play as well? As I understand it, the interplay between environment and genetics is very complex and there is nothing like a good understanding of it available. I'm not saying there is no genetic component to sexuality just that I don't think it's at all clear what it is. Finally, all people are the product of a heterosexual relationship in the biological sense since, genetically, two people of the same sex cannot reproduce. Hence direct inheritance of some 'gay gene(s)' (and I am aware this is not what you are saying, my point is a general one) is not going to be the thing. |
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31st Aug 2011, 11:26 AM
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I would expect those neurological and anatomical oddities to be caused by the same factor which causes non-heterosexuality - I can't see finger length causing sexual or romantic feelings, nor the other way round  .
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31st Aug 2011, 08:02 PM
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I can't remember what the studies were and am not near my notes to find out so can't tell you exactly what they said, but there were quite a lot of things that were looked at. I know they are possibly correlations and not causes; I wasn't really trying to say they were causes. My point wasn't what they were specifically; it was more that they exist. I was just using them as an example of what kiwi was saying re: it running in families: that any chance of inheriting homosexuality wouldn't be because of a gay gene but because of other genetic components. |
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31st Aug 2011, 09:12 PM
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maxon
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Sorry, I was just trying to clarify. It was the bit when you said: "It would make sense that these aspects of a person can be inherited, and, if they do have an influence on sexuality (my emphasis), then it would make sense that you might find a higher rate of homosexuality amongst families with these differences." that set me off. I did say the last point was a general one and not directed at you specifically. |
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31st Aug 2011, 09:26 PM
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kiwi_tea
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It's a combination of what you're both saying, if I'm reading el_flel and whiterider right. On the one hand, there is no simple "gay gene" with "gay" and "slightly longer index fingers" as its phenotypes. That's too simple to account for human sexuality, given all that we know. On the other hand, perhaps the same alleles that make most people heterosexual occasionally also fall into configurations that - in concert with other factors - can make a few offspring fagtastic. A tendency for a few gay offspring could potentially hitch a ride on the same genetics that, for example, usually make a woman more fertile. There are lots of ways in which homosexuality could be genetic, but not just "a gene", and not selected against. |
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1st Sep 2011, 09:02 AM
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I am under no illusion that longer arm bones or whatever would directly cause homosexuality, that would be ridiculous. I know the 'gay gene' bit wasn't directed as me, I was using it to clarify that if there is a biological cause then IMO it probably won't be one direct cause, like a gene, rather it would be many smaller, indirect differences. Basically, what kiwi_tea said!
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1st Sep 2011, 06:11 PM
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mmamm80
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When mainstream society realizes that homosexuals are just as boring as everyone else, then surely it will no longer remain an issue. |
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