^The question is - will they ever?

I think so. It may not seem like it with as slow as things are to change, but there seems to be a steadily increasing acceptance of homosexuality. The morals of a society can change over time, often for the better as people realize that their ancestors were doing something wrong and as science marches on and provides evidence for things like the fact that homosexuality is part of the normal variation of preferences and behaviors. I think our society is beginning to realize that homosexuality is not harmful or evil, or in any other way something that should be proscribed, so I think we will eventually reach a day when they are accepted as part of the norm. Due to the religious fundamentalism that has a foothold in American politics, I doubt America will be anywhere near the front of the curve on this issue, but I think we'll get there someday.

It was funny tonight some guy started on me in the pub for being gay and the bar staff chucked him out lol.

Okay, adding my 2 cents. Or beliefs. Whatever. God does not hate the homo. The apostle was only teaching Christians that it was not the best/1st choice. Pushing homosexuality/bisexuality on heterosexual people is a sin. All fantasy is good so long as it's not all acted upon (since there is more to sex than just "I'm a homo" or whatever). Mentally ill people might abuse this. Being kind to Christians who cannot get past "God doesn't hate them or the world" is of top priority. Homosexuals and bisexuals have a public responsibility not to act offensively/lewd. The gay-haters are going to be there so get over trying to make them go away. Respect everyone's opinion; baring that, just calmly walk away. Society accepting homosexuality is not the 1st step toward society accepting pedephiles, though it could be if society gains a Christ-hating mentality. Being gay does not mean you have no moral guidelines but once again it is harder to form morals without a belief in Christ. Many gays turn to occult religions because the church has rejected them. Jerking off is not a sin (just felt I needed to add that) but it's also not a requirement so leave the unjerkers alone!

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"God does not hate the homo."

Of course not, since he made them . I doubt anyone should hate what they created. That doesn't make any logical sense.

" The apostle was only teaching Christians that it was not the best/1st choice."

We don't actually know what he was thinking or if he even wrote it, or why he said it. He isn't God and can add his own issues to the bible.

: Pushing homosexuality/bisexuality on heterosexual people is a sin."

I'm not clear what you mean by this. Gay people are sinning by being gay and acting gay? Who is pushing gayness or bisexuality on anyone?

" Being kind to Christians who cannot get past "God doesn't hate them or the world" is of top priority.

Eh, a person should be kind to eveyrone, regardless of sexuality or religious belief.

" Homosexuals and bisexuals have a public responsibility not to act offensively/lewd.

Everyone has a responsibility not to act publicly lewd. What they choose to do in the privacy of their homes is their bizness though. Personally, see more heteros acting out in public than I see gays.

"Society accepting homosexuality is not the 1st step toward society accepting pedephiles, though it could be if society gains a Christ-hating mentality."

Not liking christ and not being interested in the bible does not make you a pedophile. There is lots not to like in the bible

" Being gay does not mean you have no moral guidelines but once again it is harder to form morals without a belief in Christ.

I think Buddhists do just fine without a belief in Christ.

"Many gays turn to occult religions because the church has rejected them."

Well, firstly, there are some who would argue that Chrstianity is a cult. And why should gays embrace something that has been hostile to them? There are occult elements in Christianity too.

Last edited by SimsLover50 : 3rd Sep 2011 at 05:57 PM.

You replied to this much more politely than I did - I was going to write something very rude. Thanks.

I don't think it's opitional as far as i know it's caused by raising the child and how do you treat them.

so then how, exactly, does one raise a child to be gay?

Not exactly raising. Well the parents should notice and try to change it before the kid grows.
For example if you see a boy instresting in Barbies. or spin alot of time with girls. That's a huge sign that this kid could be gay when he grows up.
By that time the parents need to save this kid. But sadly it's so rare when they get it done because it's so hard :/
So the parents need to pay attention to those little details..

She's right you know. My parents let me play with this:





Edit: I should stop trolling. Seriously, there's not a lot of correlation that I know of between playing with culturally "gendered" toys and homosexuality. I mean, I *had* this pony. But I used to drive it around in my Tonka trucks. And so did my two straight brothers.

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Speaking of causes o.o
What causes Biesexuality?
I don't know it's the raising or something else :S it's getting confusing.

There's virtually a scientific consensus that any environmental factors influencing homosexuality happen pre-birth, combined with genetic predispositions. It's not how toddlers are raised. It *might* be to some degree the environment in the womb.

I'm just going to barge right into the middle of this debate and ask why the (possibly) gay child playing with girls needs "saving," and how, exactly, said parents would go about doing this (*shudders at thought of conversion therapy.*)

Not to mention that non-traditional-gender-role interests isn't an indicator of sexuality. My mother refused to play with dolls and spent most of her childhood playing army with half a dozen boys, and I spent half my childhood putting the boys in my neighborhood into dresses in order to play tea party with them (they didn't seem to mind, and, AFAIK, they're all straight.)

And if kids want to play with something, they'll play with something. I know a family who forbade their children to have toy guns (squirt guns and others) so the kids used sticks instead, and when the parents took away the sticks they used their fingers. If you take away the kid's barbies and give him GI Joe action figures, it's not going to change the fact that he was more interested in Barbies in the first place (and that you can probably find a way to do everything with GI Joe that you could with Barbies, anyway - they're both plastic dolls, for chrissakes.)

As for Jemcrystal's earlier post...

1. "The homo" is really not an acceptable way to refer to people who identify as LGBTQ. Am unsure if English is your first language, but...
2. To respond to "the apostle" thing I'd need the actual chapter/verse/quote so I could provide context on who wrote it, when, and possibly why.
3. I have no idea how a non-heterosexual person would push homosexuality upon me. Exactly how do you think this would work? Would it involve Christina Hendricks coming to my home and propositioning me? No? Damn.
4. What do you mean by the statement "homosexual/bisexuals have a public responsibility not to act lewd?" I think that everyone has a responsibility not to act lewdly in public...OTOH, if you mean that they should refrain from normal displays of affection that heterosexual people are allowed, I disagree with you entirely.
5. You do realize that being LGBT and being Christian are not mutually exclusive? There are some liberal Protestant branches that are non-discriminatory (the liberal part of the Anglican church, which ordains women and openly gay people, is the first example that comes to mind.)

I really didn't come to the thread to debate at all; I was just going to silently pop in and lurk to see if anyone had seen the online article about the Orthodox Jewish pastor who's arranging marriages between gay Orthodox men and lesbian Orthodox women, figuring that having children will pull them together and that same-sex adultery doesn't count when both partners are aware it's happening (though heterosexual adultery is still evil no matter what.) He's getting hammered by liberals for obvious reasons, and by other Orthodox scholars for not promoting conversion therapy.

By your logic, every chef in the world is a homosexual then, as they like "playing" in the kitchen; which is so obviously a woman's domain.



I'd have to "hammer" him for this one myself. Cheating is Cheating is Cheating. Cheating by any other name is Cheating.

Great news ! Every man playing the Sims is gay ! (y'know, playing with virtual dollies...)


How do we save children from naivety ? (probably too late for you though)

Well All (or most of them) The Sims haters think this game is gay/boring.
I don't i play this game and I enjoy it
Or i wouldn't sign up for this site :p

Who says cooking games are for girls?
My dad cooks and so as my older brother and they're straight O.o
Well Chefs usually fat but that doesn't really matter

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I'm 17 i'm not a parent. I'm just saying what sience says about the "Causes"
Nether is the child mixing with other gender could lead to it.
and if you dissagree with me i think the Wikipedia is free so as asking teachers.

Some sources for these causes that "sience" says would be useful, because what you're saying does not agree whatsoever with everything I've ever seen about the causes of homosexuality. Also, seriously, please stop multi-posting. If you have something more to say, edit your post.l

I don't think it has anything to do with god, because seriously there is no god, It's just some crackpot people that a man created all this world (and some hell bent women think a woman created it.. But whatever..)

Evolution was how this world was created and it took millions of years, not seven days, as the bible says.. (Somebody said about Christianity been a cult, I believe this to be true. The bible is nothing but hypocritical)
Been gay is actually not a choice, research has shown that it caused by a gene defect in the chromosomes not how they are raised, if you removed that chromosome it would eradicate the gay part of the person.

I personally don't like gays/lesbians (whatever they want to be called) because if you think about it, if they are accepted it's only a matter of time before so much of the world becomes overpopulated with them that there will be no way to carry on the human generation...No more people, just homesuxuals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not park of a KKK or anything like that it's just I am an extreamly logical person and in my head they just don't make sense.. And plus the female evolved to be with a man (hence the penis and vagina, they fit into each other perfectly) So to try and stray from that just dosen't work. (what can two vaginas do, and the arse is a one way system.. not two way for penis...eww)

Anyway this is just my personal opinion seen as though somebody has put it up for discussion.

(Here's where I get called all the names under the sun..*sigh*)

lol I don't think there's any chance of gay people overrunning the population - people are what they are, and there are still many more straight people than gay people. And gay people can reproduce - just takes a bit of science.

Two vulvas can do a lot. As can fingers, tongues, and toys. Even hetero sex is not just about penis-in-vagina sex.

Sorry i'm also a typo :T i've already edited my posts :p

Come on you haven't really read about Raising problem?
It's not parents' fault or anyone it's just the way the were born. As lady gaga says "We were born this way"
I'm sure that what i read was actual true. one of the biggest causes is the way the child is treated.
Now i'm really biesexual i think i'm extremely lucky for that.
But as i am bi i was intrested in knowing how did i become bi..?
And what i came up with is what my behavoure was when i was alittle and who i was surrounded by and what i was intrested in back then.
If you're straight then you wouldn't get what i'm saying

No to be nasty but the vagina was not made to put toys in it, just the womans husband and for birthing children, I for one only take my husbands... I dont understand how people can use toys....
And I know hetro sex isn't (They can use fingers and tongues, not toys though..) but still it should be between a man and his wife, that's my vision of the right way
But I still don't see what vulvas can do together, rubbing perhaps but I don't see how that would be pleasurable..

I think people should reproduce out of love, nowadays I see a lot of young children having children and gay couples using them like fashion accessories I think a child should complete the family. Gay couples wouldn't be able to teach the children the values of life I don't think. what about a a child with two gay fathers, how would they ever learn about periods and pregnancy, men can't speak about that, as for women couples, how can they teach their children and comfort them about masturbation or wet dreams for example. it's just not the same, you need to be able to confide in your parents.
Science is less successful for trying for a child than just doing it out of love, it's been proven, your body really needs to be in the moment and feel ready for it. it shouldn't be about turkey basters and cups of man juice.

Sorry I'm sounding a little harsh now, but it's just my thoughts.

*edit*
And also Im not been harsh about bisexuals but thats like having your cake and eating it, or been indecisive so you have it all, it's just greedy.

For god sakes i am not speaking as in "Sexual" way i'm giving some causes of being gay or (acting like the oppisite sex).