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Also make a random CAS Sim and make it have Alien babies then kill it. Makes the adoption pool more fun
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Who know, maybe this is what the other one wanted as well. I do not personally know this other member, so I see no point making fuss about their intentions that i am not even aware of! No?
My son's father married an Asian woman and they had 2 little girls from that union. My uncle & aunt adopted a little boy years ago, just after they found out they were expecting..result, they had a little girl..and a black little boy of the same age. Nothing was cuter.
With this game limitation, pale skin sims can only adopt pale skin children..what if i want to pretend, my sims adopt from a foreign country? Then a mod that lets you choose the skintone IS the key. Racism has nothing to do with this, on the contrary. Please, calm down.
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I think we should all give each other the benefit of the doubt, but that other poster often urged people to visit a site which asserted that some races were inferior to others. @Simonut was right to speak up.
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I am no one to state if Simonut was right or wrong, either. And yes, in my game, the times I have made my sims adopt, the adoptee had always the same skintone as the parent who placed the call. No clue if my adoption pool was empty or not, if the game had to create children for this or not. I do not have kids taken away.
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I'm not saying that you need to judge; just that we're not in a situation where one has to guess the poster's motivation since the posts are publicly available for all to see.
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I keep a very wide variety of skintones in my game, so I never see children up for adoption with the same skins. I'm also not 'freaking out' because again, I deal with racism on a daily basis, so it's something I'm used to, if deeply aggrieved by. Speaking out about it and wanting to be clear - even HERE - that it's not tolerable shouldn't be seen as 'freaking out'.
I'm going to chalk this up to english not being your first language as you've pointed out in other threads, but I would strongly caution you that telling people to calm down can be viewed as patronizing unless the person is doing something utterly insane in a thread.
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I keep a very wide variety of skintones in my game, so I never see children up for adoption with the same skins. I'm also not 'freaking out' because again, I deal with racism on a daily basis, so it's something I'm used to, if deeply aggrieved by. Speaking out about it and wanting to be clear - even HERE - that it's not tolerable shouldn't be seen as 'freaking out'. I'm going to chalk this up to english not being your first language as you've pointed out in other threads, but I would strongly caution you that telling people to calm down can be viewed as patronizing unless the person is doing something utterly insane in a thread. |
Ok, but typing DIE DIE DIE etc..is over reacting don't you think?
Chalk it up? So..you are doing me a favor here.
Maybe I was indeed patronizing you. Maybe I even did this on purpose, and in full knowledge of the facts, in my second language.
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I understood the "DIE DIE DIE" to be in reference to the small-mindedness and implicit racism in the idea that families need to "look related." (And seriously? If anyone needs their sim families to look related, then maybe adoption really isn't the best option for them...) Anyway, I don't think I'd call it an overreaction at all; racism does need to die.
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I just wanted to say that I know a number of families who have adopted interracially and they all look like families. Being a family is about MORE than just skintone. |
I'm really confused as to why this would even be a problem. I mean in most cases the thing about adopted children IRL is that they are not biologically related to their parents, so I no logical reason why they should look like them IRL or in the Sims.
If someone wants their Sims to have children that look like they are biologically related, then they should have them spawn, instead of picking up the phone and adopting.
Easy as that.
Sometimes I really like adopting children with my Sim families, particularly with same-sex couples or family Sims that wish for a ton of children. But in challenges that encourage against reproducing with Townies and/or Cas sims (such as the Pleasantview Epic Challange) adopted kids can also be a good way to diversify the genepool a bit.
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People can do whatever they want in game, but if web sites get posted here that are hateful they will be removed.
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I tried adopting a few times years ago and either got very ugly (worst face templates always) or boring sims, so I stopped. This was long before I used cc skins, eyes or templates though, I'm sure now I would get some cute ones. People can do whatever they want in game, but if web sites get posted here that are hateful they will be removed. |
I must have missed something. Where was the link to a hateful site?
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I tried adopting a few times years ago and either got very ugly (worst face templates always) or boring sims, so I stopped. This was long before I used cc skins, eyes or templates though, I'm sure now I would get some cute ones. |
Oh man same here, I only started adopting once i installed a lot of additional face templates. Now I usually adopt child sims, save before they arrive and reload until one shows up with one of the custom face templates hahaha.
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I get your point about Scottish society, but I rather like the colour-blind adoption in The Sims. The 'hood I'm currently playing, Baldrair Bluffs, is Simerican in nature as it's primary purpose is as a "feeder" town to Land Grant University. The settlement at Baldrair Bluffs was originally founded by Scots exiles (in my dog-Gaelic "Baldrair" means "underpants town"!), but Simourris State, for historic reasons has a high proportion of black inhabitants. Well I had my very first adoption there a few weeks ago. My gay black couple decided to adopt a child. Well, the next day, the black social worker brought them a delightful little white girl called Alyssa. And her two new daddies fell for her almost immediately – and she fell for them. And I just loved to see how happy the three of them were together. You know I pay so little attention to race or colour in the game, that I had to start it up specially to check what colour she was. Because I couldn’t remember for sure. After all, if the game doesn’t care what race a Sim belongs to, why should I?!
I agree that the Scottish population is overwhelmingly white. But when I think of the Real Life adoptions of which I’m actually aware, a surprising number are in fact interracial. In particular I’m thinking of our lovely Scottish poet Jackie Kay, who, I believe finds it much easier to relate to her white Scottish adoptive mum and dad, than to her African birth father, who I understand is a fundamentalist pastor.
I like colour-blind adoption, the way it’s done in an unmodded Sims 2 game, but as I understand it, current practice in the UK is to try to match children being adopted with parents of the same ethnicity. The idea is supposed to be that white adoptive parents wouldn’t be able to relate to the racial abuse that a black child will suffer, and as a result couldn’t supply the help he/she needs. Personally I dislike the new trend as it assumes that racism will always exist, and I think our world would be much better if, like our Sims, we just didn’t notice skin colour. And I’d say that Jackie Kay is the living proof of just how successful Real Life interracial adoption can be. But, if you want to mirror what is supposed to be enlightened current practice in your game, you would indeed want to use Squinge’s mod to match skin-tone.
By the way I have just downloaded and installed (but not yet actually used) another Squinge adoption mod; one that allows teens to adopt children. I’m just waiting till the teens in question have established a good enough relationship with each other before they phone the social work department.
Finally, @thelevitatingscot please stick around and tell us more about you game. I'd love to hear more about it.
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That's why you kill off the parents afterwards. Either that or make the kids in CAS, age them up to adult, plop them down on the lot and use the SimBlender to turn them back into children. |
As long as kids are adopted the proper way, (and if I remember correctly), all family ties will be broken when the kid is adopted. I'm not sure if they retain any memories. It's been very long since I tried this.
I have made a couple of orphanages, and had one live-in adult related to all the kids, as the social worker/orphanage manager.
As for the whole skintone debate - it's a game, and people can play the way they want. Some use a wide range of skins, other prefer using only light or only dark, or all the colors of the rainbow, or animal furs, or whatever floats their boat.
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Over the years I've used a wide range of skins in my game, from light to dark, fantasy colored skins, various alien/elf/fairy skins, and even furry ones on occasion. Nowadays I mostly use light skins for my story sims, with the occasional darker skin for side or background characters (basing it on the range of skins roughly in the area where I live, which is mostly light to tan, with the occasional dark brown. When I grew up, people with dark skin were a rarity in my area, and I knew of only a handful of families with dark skin - but the past 15-20ish years a lot of people from other countries have moved here, so there's a much wider range of skin colors, even if light/tan is much more common).
Some people will always complain if someone uses only light skin, or only this or only that for their characters, or leave out some thing or another. "You should have some dark skinned sims in your story", or "why don't you have sims with red hair?" or "why aren't there any gay sims in your game?" and so forth. But they don't have any rights to dictate how other people play their games. Some people want to identify with their sims, while other people want to play with diversity. Others again want to scrap reality and play with fantasy-based sims. It's up to the individual player how they want their sims to look like. Nobody complains if a player only have dark-skinned sims, or if they only play with gay couples in their games, so why should they complain for the rest? If they feel something is lacking, they're free to set up their own game, however they want it to be.
I've on occasion seen comments on my own story, on precisely the "why don't you have dark-skinned characters in your story?" question. Well - I do. They just happen to be background characters or supporting characters, and some just have a different ethnicity without needing more than a light tan or a subtle facial feature. Dealing with having a different skintone in some or another way is not a theme in my story, so I've chosen to not feature it other than having people of different skins in the background - as neighbors, as school mates, and as a part of the normality. Since most of my main characters are blood-related, if one of them is light-skinned, it goes to say most of them will be. I don't feel the need to throw some random dark-skinned character in people's face just to have this featured as a main event, because my story isn't about having a different skin tone. Might as well ask "Why don't your story feature more purple elephants?" - because purple elephants aren't a theme in my story, and letting them have a lot more space won't help tell the story I want to tell. You can substitute "purple elephants" with just about anything I don't plan to write about. It's my game, my story, my decisions.
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Some people want to identify with their sims, while other people want to play with diversity. |
I guess I've never had an trouble identifying with sims who don't look like me, so I'm really not sure why this is being presented as an "either or." I think of all the sims I've played, the sims I've made the strongest personal connection with were actually Ophelia Nigmos and Johnny Smith, neither of whom looks even remotely like me.
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Nobody complains if a player only have dark-skinned sims, or if they only play with gay couples in their games, so why should they complain for the rest? |
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