T-dog had a decent amount of lines. Just saying

I thought it was a good finale. And yay for Michonne and her walker pets. :D

I enjoyed the finale. Loads of things happening.. like that hooded person, zombie action and the gang finally moving from that farm. I was getting a little bored there. Also (rip) they got rid of some of the more anonymous characters. Still wish they would have taken Lori and Carl along. I'm kinda getting tired of that whole family. Since they killed of Shane I'm just hoping that Daryll, Glenn and Andrea will stick along for some time! They seem to be killing of some interesting characters on the way, and can easily leave us at the end of the show with Lori.. argh. She's got some double standards.

In just a few more days the return of the series... YESSS!!!!

The webisodes are an interesting filler.

But now we see if this group really does have what it takes to survive. And the return of Merle. Daryl had better figure out a good reason for T Dog and Rick to be still sucking air. Maybe it wont matter. Merle doesn't look like he is to wrapped to tight. Not that he was wrapped to tight to begin with in the first season. So maybe he will actually believe that his younger brother was saving them for him.. RIIGGHHTTT...

Wow, it is already time for that to come back on isn't it? It seems like it just ended!

Haven't seen the webisodes and don't care to, but I'm quite excited to see how they'll get on in the prison. I read most of the comics - won't spoil anything but the prison stuff was cool in the comics.

Merle is returning? Wow.

Edit: Oh, I just realised it seems like it just ended because they split last season into 2.

I'm so excited for the new season to start! I can't wait to see Merle :D

ETA: HERSHEL!!

Kick ass season premiere though. I can't wait until Lori's baby is born.

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Wow. I am so glad they're off the farm. Awesome premiere. It can only get better, right? It kind of weird seeing Lori with that big old belly though- since she didn't have even a little bump at the end of last season. It's realistic- if I didn't see someone for 6 months (or however long it's been) she'd have a big belly now. It was just odd to see since it's NOT real life and, to me, time hasn't passed for the show between the seasons.

Btw, I have to remind myself to stay out of this thread until I actually watch a whole episode, lol. The whole Hershel thing was almost spoiled for me.

Oops! Sorry about that.

It was weird though seeing Lori with a big stomach. When I saw it I was all like "How much time has pasted since last season?!" I was expecting them to just pick up where they left off last season.

From the conversations sounds like the group had been on the run all winter.

But Hershel getting bit was a shocker. I can only hope he was saved. Doubtful at this point. Still the group is coming together. That is a plus. Still need work on small squad tactics. However they are working as a group. I wonder who the cons are and how they are going to work within the group. If at all.
I can not wait to see next week. A great start to this season.

Shit is intense and the episode isn't even over yet. D:

That show scares the crap outta my dad. It gave him bad dreams and my mum complained about him waking up in the middle of the night screaming. I just dream about zombie games, often ones played on the PS3. I love those dreams. They are always games I make up. I guess this proves my career in the future.

UISbnevswEFIUHM Scary as heck. But still good.

I was sad when Big Tiny died. He just wanted to call his moms.

Oh, and I'm so happy Rick gave a machete to the head to Thomas (Tomas? I don't really remember what his name was). He totally deserved it after "accidentally" trying to kill Rick. I totally freaked out when Hershel stopped breathing I was yelling at my TV when Lori was giving Hershel CPR "Save him, you bitch!" D: But luckily I think he's going to be okay.

Yeah, Big Tiny getting killed bummed me out since I think he could have been an asset to the group once he had adjusted. But I think they used his death as a very clear illustration to Rick that Tomas was going to have to be taken care of sooner than he expected. Same with his little crony buddy. Rick taking off after the crony was SO STUPID! He should have yelled at someone to follow him. He's lucky he didn't get lost or run into a group of walkers.

The CPR with Hershel almost made me fall off the couch! I thought he was gonna bite her face off.

I have to say there haven't been any other episodes that I can call to mind that have actually made me laugh. When the prisoners take off on their own and start "shanking" the walkers, I just busted out laughing.

The little prison riot they did to the zombies was hilarious! I was just staring at my TV going didn't Rick just tell them not to break formation? It was pretty great. :D

Yeah, Rick going after Andrew was stupid, I mean what could have happened if he let Andrew go? It's not like Andrew would have come back on his own and try to take down Rick's group. . I was just waiting for a pack of walkers to come out and get both of them. Sad thing is Andrew could had lived if he hadn't ran away, but I did feel kind of bad that Rick just let him get eaten alive by walkers. Seems like a terrible way to go.

I know! When Hershel grabbed onto Lori's face I was like "NOOOO! " I don't like it when the show makes me think they killed off characters I like.

Hershel death was a shocker and Lori doing CPOR was the bravest action that I have seen from her. Though earlier when carl came back with the supplies. Does show that Lori had better come to terms that her son has grown up fast. He is not a child any more.

But the scenes between Lori and rick do show that they are slowly coming together again.

As for the prisoners. Glad Rick took care of Tomas? Thomas? Quickly. He was a threat that needed to be taken care of quickly. It was stil a little bit of a shock that Rick killed him so fast. I was afraid that it was going to turn into another power struggle that neither Rick nor the group could afford to go through a second time.

Big Tiny death was a shocker I had hoped he would survive. As for the fool that ran. Well it is not a fair world and he was more of a liability than an asset to the group. Personally, I am of the opinion the two surviving prisoners had better take a long look at their options and make some decisions fast. As I do not think Rick is really going to give them much time.

As to who was in the trees. Any guesses? Merle, maybe? Some random survivor perhaps?

A lot of people on some of the walking dead message boards think its Merle, but I don't think it is. At first I thought was a walker and I went into panic mood because I thought Carol was going to get eaten. Then I realized it wasn't a walker and just figured it was Axel or the other guy with Axel getting the dead walkers out of their cell block and one of them just happened to see her cutting up a dead walker. I'm probably way off on this, but whatevski.

I don't get that vibe. When Rick first showed up, you could tell Lori was stunned but relieved. Now after the whole Shane thing, I get the feeling that there's a lot more distance between them. It seems like she might be trying to reconnect, but it doesn't look like it's happening. I mean, wow, that last scene with them had Lori kind of wanting to open up and talk about their relationship, then Rick just patting her on the shoulder and telling her they were all grateful for what she did before heading back inside? That doesn't appear anything like them resolving any issues. Even my husband said "She's just one of the group now."

Maybe Rick just can't feel invested right now, he's been leading the group through a rough winter of constant traveling and is probably drained emotionally.
Maybe he can't reconcile himself to the fact that there's a possibility she's carrying Shane's baby.
Maybe he'll come around once the baby is born.
In any case, there's a huge chasm between them and only time will tell if there's any chance of them bridging it.




I don't think it's Merle. In the next episode preview, they show him with Andrea and Michonne and my understanding from what I've read so far is that they aren't in the same vicinity as the prison. That could be wrong as we haven't been introduced to the group Andrea and Michonne come across and where they are in relation to the prison. So maybe it's someone from that encampment.

Maybe it is Merle and when he motions Andrea to be quiet, perhaps that's an indication that he'll be an ally. Perhaps to find out if she knows where Daryl is and then to help them reunite with the group.

I guess we'll find out on Sunday's episode. :D

Sometimes Spitfire when one partner can not articulate for his or her feelings. So a touch can be a way of reaching out. That would be in my opinion of what we are seeing. Rick is heavily invested with keeping his people alive. Lori is his wife. So it put Rick in a bad place as a leader that loses or gets members hurt.

He needs to let Lori know he still there, but just can not reach out more than that at the moment. At the very least, it lets Lori knows she is not cut off from him completely. So as a woman fighting to get her marriage back she will take what she can at the moment. While supporting her husband in public and what little privacy they may have at any moment in time.

I threw Merle name out only as a possibility. Not as definite. Like you I can not wait till next week episode..

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I think you're forgetting just how manipulative Lori was during season 2, especially at the end concerning Shane and Rick.

It's accepted fact that she stirred the pot between the two which causes Rick to kill Shane. When he tells her he killed Shane she then pulls away from him showing a good amount of disgust and disbelief even after she all but told Rick that Shane needed to be "taken care of".

Speculation on the reason ranges from her thinking Rick will be more like Shane now; her being angry that Shane died and not Rick because she secretly wanted Shane instead; self-loathing for instigating the rift between the men and now taking it out on Rick; and other theories, none of which have been confirmed mainly because it doesn't matter.

We also don't know what happened over the winter. If that matters, we'll only know if and when flashbacks are shown.


I think this statement from another viewer sums up how most people interpreted the end of episode 2:

"Later in the episode, Lori seeks some kind of comfort from Rick, but he is finished playing the chump in their rather one-sided marriage. They clearly both know the relationship is irreparably damaged when Lori cracks a joke about how to get divorced when society is gone and Rick doesn't argue. There's a moment between the two where viewers would have expcted to see an embrace in past seasons, but now Rick can barely stand to pat his "wife" on the shoulder, keeping his body at arm's length."


Now, as to whether they can reconcile, especially after the baby arrives, remains to be seen. I think it's possible, but won't be surprised if it doesn't happen.

Hey, I just found this thread and read the whole thing. Need I say that I'm a fan?

Comments, in no particular order:
There really haven't been any characters I can't appreciate on some level. Lori is the most annoying, but I don't think she's a bad mom.

Unlike many, I LOVE Andrea! I thought her handling of Amy's death was amazing, and she didn't strike me as "whiny" at all, just understandably iffy about whether or not life in the zombie apocalypse was worth living. It upset me that she was at odds with Dale for awhile there. I could see both sides.

I liked Shane too, and understood where he was coming from most of the time, but he definitely needed to die. He'd become downright unhinged and too much a loose cannon. I think his constant harangues about Rick not having what it takes to protect the group were unfair, but in that scene where the group spots Rick herding that walker on a catch pole, it was hard not to see him (Rick) as completely emasculated at that moment. And even though it was a grievous affront to Herschel for Shane to do what he did next, I couldn't help but applaud it.

Daryl is the bomb! Merle is a disgusting cretin that I'm not really that eager to see again, but I did like the hallucination scene a great deal.

Herschel defending the farm at the end of season 2 was awesome. Dude was a zombie-killing MACHINE.

As for more recent episodes, boo for Herschel getting bit. Yay for evil psycho dude getting Rick's machete to the head in short order. I was dreading that relationship being drawn out in a long conflict.

Okay, now someone tell me why Rick is so pissed at Lori? He said he'd guessed early on that she and Shane had had an affair, and he thought it understandable. Now she's all "I know I'm a bad wife..." and shit, and he's colder than the Artic to her. He wasn't at the end of season 2, so what changed?

Also, after watching season 2 a second time, I noticed that although Lori was shocked at hearing Rick say he'd killed Shane, the point at which she pulled away in utter disgust was when she learned that Carl was the one who shot zombie Shane. Does anyone else see that her horror over Carl having been the one to do that was greater than her shock over Rick having killed him? Especially since she'd out and out said he needed to?

As for Carl, I get that Lori needs to let him grow up, but his going off to find the infirmary on his own was a stupid-ass move. Not because he's a kid, but because it's the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, for freak's sake. No one goes off alone, or if they do, they TELL SOMEONE. He can't be trusted with adult responsibilities as long as his attempts to prove he can be are so reckless.

And finally, I adore Glenn and Maggie together.

I think a lot of Rick's anger is coming from the fact Lori basically told him to kill Shane and when he did and he told her, she was angry with him and disgusted at him for doing it. I also think some of it has to due with the baby. I think Rick is starting to realized that the baby probably isn't his.

I figured he'd already come to terms with the baby maybe not being his, so I don't think that's it. But being ticked over her negative response to his having done what she'd earlier encouraged does make sense - thanks.

Not that I think he killed Shane because she told him to, necessarily. Seems like the need was pretty obvious, outside of what Lori'd said, once he realized Shane was setting him up.

I have to agree with those who said that Rick and Lori's relationship is not on the mend ATM. They seem to have switched roles a bit. Last season Lori had a tendency to be a bit cold hearted and was very much about her and Carl whereas Rick was motivated by "the greater good" and protecting the group while maintaining a clear conscience

This season, Lori doesn't have her choice of alpha males beating their chest over her so it seems like she's been forced to be less selfish and care more about the group and Rick has gone completely bad ass! Now he's the one that doesn't think twice about killing someone who's in his way D: I think everyone he's killed had to die for the sake of the group but the old Rick would have at least entertained the idea of an alternative to death for longer than 3seconds! I feel like he's becoming too hardened and losing his humanity a little and I'm wondering if it will take a death (Lori, Carl or the baby) for him to soften up again?

PS I don't care if Carl is supposedly all grown up and bad ass now, he's still the most annoying kid on the planet!!

I don't find Carl annoying so much as difficult to read. I mean, is he mature in ways he shouldn't be, due to having been forced to grow up too fast by unusually bad circumstances, or is he a psychopath in the making?

His emphatic, "Do it, Dad." when Rick was about to execute Randall, what was that? Bloodlust, or him offering encouragement to Rick, who was obviously struggling with what most agreed needed to be done. I couldn't tell. It was highly disturbing, either way.

Then there's the scene in the field, right after Rick killed Shane. Carl's drawn gun looked to be squarely aimed at Rick, and it certainly seemed like he was pissed and about to shoot his own dad for killing Shane, who he also loved. It's not realistic to assume he was expecting Shane to turn zombie and attack, nor that he'd be lining up the shot from where he was, because Rick was directly between him and Shane's body.

So, either Carl was considering shooting his dad and they've since glossed that over, or the directing was really clumsy in that scene. I suspect the intention was to make us think for a moment that he was about to shoot Rick, but if so, that was a cheap shock value moment they shouldn't have attempted if they couldn't make it more believable than that.

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