The turmoil of my frustrations regarding Sims 3 has reached the limit . EA Games is turning this franchise into something I don't have anything in common. They become incredible greedy cutting objects and clothing from Expansion Packs so that they release a day later for more 20 dollars . Just look at "Seeing Stars" set from The Store with clothing and hair that should have been in Showtime. But this is not the main problem , but the fact their greediness showed they can have people's money for much less quality of the game thus much smaller effort . This is the main problem.

In The Sims 3 you can't freaking go to the restaurant and eat or go on a date which was one of the main atractions in Sims 1 and 2 . The eating system is crappy made : all meals have the same hunger effect and Cooking and Eating is no fun anymore , is just a routine without any level of detail. This was again one of the main aspects of why I play the Sims. I miss the part where your whole family would eat and talk at the same time with nicely done animations . Another major flaw in the Sims 3 is the terrible detail and quality of objects compared to The Sims 2 . Take the Pool table from Showtime for example. Apart for the glitchy animations when the balls stuck after enter the sack of the table in the Sims 2 you could actually watch a real game of pool with an uncertain ending. Now all the animations are identical and you can't even freaking finish the game, the game stops after a few shots . It's the same with so many objects from Sims 3 , they refurbish stuff from Sims 2 but with much lesser quality.

Actually If I take an inventary of all the objects from Sims 3 , 95 % of them have animations taken from Sims 2 . You could think that because of this have more time to introduce new things and polish the details and featutures but actually they're much worse .

I had decent aspectections from Showtime but it dissapoints me . The carrers are dull , the singers don't use their pitch voice and all the show process is repetively and boring after few uses. I decided to uninstall Sims 3 and I will go back to Sims 2 . I had enough of if and I tried to like Sims 3 just that EA is making it very hard for me.

I agree with you on some things (like the pool tables...they do suck!), but I just can't go back to the sims 2. I have thought about it a few times, but the thing that I like the most with the sims is building houses and commercial lots, and creating sims. There are more options in the sims 3 than 2, like holding down the "Alt" key to get 360 rotation, and object placing to the grid is better.
I do miss seeing my sims eat and working, though. I don't understand why EA took that away in the sims 3, or diving boards for the pools, and poker tables...

I never left TS2. When the original TS3 game came out I intended to uninstall it but somehow I never did; by the time I got a new PC it was already clear to me that TS2 is a must so I installed both games.

I noticed that there is a pattern to how I play TS3: when something interesting comes out, like a new EP or, more often, a great new world made by someone in the community, I play it for a few weeks and then revert back to TS2. It's a pity because I think TS3 did quite a few things better than TS2 but at the same time, it broke down or just abandoned many things that I love in TS2. It could become a really great game but I think it's too late for that now.

I love the pool table.....my sims play a full game...the animations look fine..
the trick shots are awesome...and since my sim has become good enough at it
she is now an offcial pool shark!

The graphics are better in Sims 3 and the customization and building . And the open neighberbood but what's the point of having an open neighberhood if you can't do nothing in them ? In Sims 2 the gameplay was awesome you could do alot of things , go on a date and eat properly , I loved the date metter and the level of detail of mini games like the pool table , poker table etc, I could follow the little simmie and cheer or feel bad for him when he won or lose a game . And every time the game had different finale like I said, now it's a boring repetitively loop that annoyes me and makes them like robots. The sims somehow felt more alive in Sims 2, they had better and more natural/smooth facial animations and mimics . They could go on vacation, university, open a restaurant, bakery , shop etc . Now I can go to a park swimming pool and to some nightclubs where I can't have a proper date or proper group activity.

The group activity objects are the major flaw in Sims 3.

And I can't install both games on the pc because they occupy so much space with all the CC and stuff.



every time I started a pool game, they got bored or something and one of them quit the game before finishing it.

well if a sim get hungry or tired i can understand that.....
but my bars are always full of other sims to play with...
i don't see it as that big a deal....all the sims that start a game of pool
do not have all there needs filled but fun....

Glad you said that...the pool table was the main draw for me to get SH(i)T. Now, I'll just contemplate patching to 1.32 to keep my lonely couple of mods current.

I wouldn't go back to Sims 2, either. I do agree that some things were better back then...transparent floors, terrain tools that worked, less spoam(rivulets of foamy spam...okay, I made another typo ).

EA knows that if they include just 2 or 3 must haves for each generation of The Sims, us consumerist stooges will lap it up like errr...spoam. In Sims 3 it was the open world, accessible CAS during gameplay, and the Create a World tool...at least for me.

mmmm...spoam

I've never really left TS2 to begin with. I too play for a few days at a time, just sporadically, but patches and other stuff mess up my game so often (I rarely use TS3 CC, just mods, the complete inversion of my TS2 CC hoarding obsession) that I just go back to TS2. For me it's more enjoyable because I grew up with it, it seems complete, its premise is solid (think of comparing Tw*light and Dracula, where TS2 is the masterpiece that is Dracula, but somehow both have rabid fanbases), and I just damn well enjoy the game! TS3 for me has become nothing more than a weak mew to the roar that this franchise once had. I do however like the idea of Pets and Generations more in TS3, because it worked, but SHT was the last straw. It screwed up my save games and wouldn't even uninstall.

Give me an open neighbourhood at the Sims 2 and I'll definitely go back to TS2. The only thing that keeps me playing TS3 is the open neighbourhood, because I don't have patience for all those loading screens in TS2. But in gameplay, TS2 is far far better than TS3.

Regarding the current greediness of EA, I refuse to spend one single penny at the Store or with Stuff Packs. Maybe more people should do the same, and possibly EA would realise they can't take our money for granted.

SHT has the average amount of clothing/hair. Do you work for EA? If not then you have no idea what they might have done, it makes sense to release a store set tying into the latest EP.

Yes you can.

Uhm you can go dates. Not the same system as TS2 but much better than from TS1.

Actually I think the cooking/eating system is one of the most improved things in TS3. You have individual ingredients unlike TS2 and every dish has a quality which TS2 didn't have either.

I could have gone on but don't want to. There are S3 whine threads already, heck there's even an "I hate TS3" group. Maybe you should join it.

The store sets are a tie-in kind of thing, I think. They're probably made after hte game is certified (and therefore nothing more can be added to it) and goes gold or whatever.

Nobody complained about the Asian/Egyptian/Adventure sets in the store after WA. People are just searching for anything and everything they could possibly spin into a complaint when it comes to showtime. Those sets allow people who don't get an EP to still have a taste of the content it provides, and are an extra for those who really like that kind of content. Someone might want Asian furniture but have absolutely no interest in (or budget for) World Adventures, so they can grab the set for much cheaper. Similarly, all the people who "absolutely are not ever going to buy showtime" can still get some more fancy pop-star-ish clothes if they so please.

You get more content than any other EP with Showtime, and you STILL feel entitled to the extra stuff thrown onto the store? :\

As for the cooking, the Sims 3 relies more on Moodlets and Overall mood than on your motives. Full hunger is easier to get. But that doesn't mean full mood is easier to get. If your sim sucks at cooking the food tastes like crap and they get a lower moodlet which results in a lower mood. A good cook produces food that's so good a sim will be happy even if Hunger is their only full motive.

@Robodl95

The expansion pack lacks the type of clothing released simultanously at the store, which is stage outfits, this is what I was reffering to, this is a marketing trick . And I did not complain because of the price or the store but about the greediness this type of approach it gave birth. They are not preocupied anymore with the quality of the game because they can easily sell crap at the store and people still buy it . This was the idea.

So you refer to those rabbit hole simulacrums as restaurants ? No they're not , I was refering to proper eating/dating/outing with chefs, waiters and bartenders like in Sims 2, this is a simulation game which should accurate simulate life. Eating is a pretty big part of it

Sims 2 had better cooking animations and type of eating did actually reflect in the hunger need. In sims 3 I can't see why I should prepare a level 8 meal if I can satisfy the same need with a "snack juice" . The ingredients are useless for this reason.

I don't hate Sims 3, i feel bad that the people who created The Sims 3 seem completely different then those who are making the expansion packs . I like The Sims 3 and I wish the expansion packs could have the same quality as those Sims 2, when the Store wasn't a big part of the franchise and they were focusing more about quality.




I prefer very little content. 4 new objects per expansion pack but well made and which can actually make an impact on gameplay.

Can you imagine how fun it would be to run a restaurant with such a cook on its staff?

There's tons of stage outfits, but they're mostly career outfits which are unlocked as you progress. Or you could use the Unlockoutfits cheat.

You do get 4 well made objects, and quite a few more others, as well.
Most of your complaints aren't all that accurate.

Last edited by matrix54 : 14th Mar 2012 at 10:19 PM.

Good post Robodl95.

TS3 has so many improvements over TS2 that the idea of going back is not possible. I tried TS2 last year, but I was not having fun at all. Everything was so generic. I like the detail of things in TS3, like having multiple skills, not just 7. Having ingredients instead of mass-production food, having lots of plants to garden, instead of just a few. And there is so much detail put into a lot of the careers like being able to write reports, the inventor career and so on. Sure there are things that were better in TS2 or TS1 but honestly, if TS3 was such a horrid game, so many people would not be playing it.

I don't really understand why people hate the store so much. It does not represent greediness. Greediness is EA making games that are so damn addicting that we keep spending money every six month when a new EP comes along. Every time something new comes out into the store people whine that EA is ripping them off. Also people keep making these really weird conclusions about the store. Like when the magic items came out, EA was greedy, lazy and on purposely mean because giving us magic store items somehow meant there will never ever be a magic EP. You can't say that because EA made some clothing that has the same theme as the EP that just came out meant that you, physically, got less items. As it was mentioned, the store does have items that are related to other EP's as well.

I'm not a huge store fan myself. I've only used my free points in there. But some of the items are actually pretty neat, like the climbing wall, and some of the special items.

I might be perfectionist but I encountered many glitches in the new objects

Look at this chin-up bar, does it look ok to you when is used by teens ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg2C...kScwPZa5ytgdsc=

And if you insist I'll give you more examples of this type.

So one object having an animation error means you didn't get 4 objects that dont?

You set the terms yourself! You're fine as long as there's four objects that do something. Showtime has about 10 times that, if not more.

Trust and believe - I too am a perfectionist. I'm a also a realist - nothing is perfect. If people actually took the time to understand game development (they never do - and I say this one too much) they'd stop complaining.

If Showtime pisses you off so much, sell the entirety of the Sims 3 series, keep comfy with the Sims 2 by your side, but a book a book on game design with your cash, and educate yourself. And don't be afraid to look at the free information as well. in 9 months, you expect perfection? This is from a standard (about) 12 from the Sims 2. And I watched your video BTW - the was no glitch. It's called not being able to do a proper chin up...

After spending more time patching my game and updating all custom content (and still trying to figure out why it still wouldn't work) than playing, I gave up on The Sims series altogether.
The Sims 2 was neat and all, but the lack of CAST and open nhood made it obsolete -for me-. TS3 is just one huge bug with more patches than any other game I've owned. And from what I see from the newer EP, I would give up on it anyway sooner or later. If not the bugs, then the idiotic route EA is taking with the series.

Nah, his hands fall down a bit from the bar when he goes down. It's barely noticable and provides absolutely zero impact on gameplay. A tad annoying, but nothing to care about...

Oh, I saw that just now, thanks. It's not a bug, but an animation miscalculation. Like, if they has spare time, someone can edit it, but it's not the end of the world.

You're implying that because i'm not a game designer I'm not entitled to complain about the bad quality of some of the game aspects, okay. EA is a corporation, they have profits of bilion dollars every year I think they can afford employing some proffesional stuff . It's not like they're building bridges or performing brain surgery when unexpected things can happen regardless of the level of preparation.



I only gave one example, there are more.

The karaoke machine synchronizes horrible with the animations, compare it to sims 2 and it will look just wrong and so on. I will make time some other day and post videos side by side with the same objects so you can understand what I mean.

No, he's saying your opinions are founded on flawed concepts. If you understood how making a game worked, even a little bit, you'd be less quick to take such enormous issue with such tiny things.

Saved me time. And I wasn't implying it, I was shouting it from the heavens above.

It's like complaining about how much gasoline a car eats up without even looking at the engine.