"Smart" Sims?

[Tigress_SC]

Does training toddlers increase their intelligence?

I usually don't train toddlers, because frankly I find it annoying, but my Legacy family recently had a son, and I decided to potty train him and teach him to walk. Well, when he grew up he was significantly smarter than his parents. When he studied skills, the bar just shot right up there within seconds. So, I checked his IQ with the lot debugger. It was 300, as opposed to the normal 100.

His little sister came along, and I checked her IQ as soon as she became a toddler, 100. Then I potty trained her and taught her to walk. Her IQ changed to 300.

Now they are both teens and have most of their skills filled. Beau only has 2 more skills to max and he'll have them all maxed out.

[SarahTheS]

Does training toddlers increase their intelligence?

I usually don't train toddlers, because frankly I find it annoying, but my Legacy family recently had a son, and I decided to potty train him and teach him to walk. Well, when he grew up he was significantly smarter than his parents. When he studied skills, the bar just shot right up there within seconds. So, I checked his IQ with the lot debugger. It was 300, as opposed to the normal 100.

His little sister came along, and I checked her IQ as soon as she became a toddler, 100. Then I potty trained her and taught her to walk. Her IQ changed to 300.

Now they are both teens and have most of their skills filled. Beau only has 2 more skills to max and he'll have them all maxed out.

Sounds like you have 'stuck' smart milk... did you use it to teach them the toddler skills?

[Tigress_SC]

Yes, but only for teaching them to walk, which I did before potty training them. Their IQs went back to 100 after it wore off.

[era506]

How can I check the IQ? Where do I find the lot debugger? I really want to know my sims' IQ!!

[claire.]

Thats interesting... I'll want to try that out too!
I never bothered to train my toddler because I never saw much of a point, but now that you brought up this little discovery, I might have to get my parent sims to work training.

[Tigress_SC]

How can I check the IQ? Where do I find the lot debugger? I really want to know my sims' IQ!!

You can find the FFS Lot Debugger Nuclear War Edition on More Awesome Than You. It has several useful options such as re-roll LTW, re-randomization for anti-firstborn, check IQ, regenerate portraiture.

[jingxia]

Sims have IQ? God, I didn't even know. :lol:

Did you feed them smart-milk? That makes them learn skills faster for the rest of their lives.

My in-game born children are always smarter than the CAS parents. :)

[melanie_SC]

Did you feed them smart-milk? That makes them learn skills faster for the rest of their lives.

I'm pretty sure that's only while they're learning a skill, or the milk wears off after a few sim hours.

[KKai]

Yes ... I believe some sims are smarter than the others.

One example of mine is ... Twins - one girl and one boy
They both were born at the same time, fed the same time of smart milk, and learned the same skill together at the same time.
The girl always seemed to learn quicker than the boy.
I started a discussion a while ago, and the only conclusion appeared to be that some sims were certainly smarter than others. :)

(Girls mature earlier than boys? Maybe? ... J/K)

[jingxia]

I'm pretty sure that's only while they're learning a skill, or the milk wears off after a few sim hours.

Not in my game! Well, the smart milk wears off, but toddlers who had smart milk learn faster for the rest of their lives than the toddlers who didn't have smart milk when they were young. :lol:

[yamikuronue]

Not in my game! Well, the smart milk wears off, but toddlers who had smart milk learn faster for the rest of their lives than the toddlers who didn't have smart milk when they were young. :lol:

Probably stuck smart milk.

For those who don't know:

sim IQ is the multiplier for how fast they learn skills. Generally, their IQ is 100- that is, they learn skills at a rate of 100%, or normal speed. Feeding them smart milk raises it temporarily to 300, for 300%, which is to say, 3 times as fast skilling. The thinking cap also gives a boost, not sure how much. Sometimes, when the smart milk wears off, the stats accidentally stay at 300%- that is to say, "stuck" smart milk.

Why don't you ask at MATY, since you're using the lot debugger to find the stats?

[AngelFrouk]

Yes ... I believe some sims are smarter than the others.

One example of mine is ... Twins - one girl and one boy
They both were born at the same time, fed the same time of smart milk, and learned the same skill together at the same time.
The girl always seemed to learn quicker than the boy.
I started a discussion a while ago, and the only conclusion appeared to be that some sims were certainly smarter than others. :)

(Girls mature earlier than boys? Maybe? ... J/K)
I've had the same experience. But, what i found was this:
Two sims, mother and father. Father went to college, mother didn't.
Mother teaches daughter, father teaches son. They both teach them to walk, talk and pottytrain with smartmilk.
Son will learn faster then daughter!

I tried in several combinations and it looks like, when a sim went to college and he/she teaches his/her kids, they will learn faster.

[Meems]

Doesn't personality affect skill-building? Like, serious sims build Logic faster and neat sims build Cleaning faster and so on?

[tlynnjpeg]

Doesn't personality affect skill-building? Like, serious sims build Logic faster and neat sims build Cleaning faster and so on?

I think that has more to do with just getting them to do it. Like really neat sims actually enjoy cleaning, so you don't have to fight them to get them to do it. And serious sims' fun decays slower, so you can have them study easier, or they can do stuff like play chess with less complaint. I think playful ones are easier to get creativity too, if I remember right.

Feel free to correct me, but that's how I always figured it.

-Jpeg

[era506]

You can find the FFS Lot Debugger Nuclear War Edition on More Awesome Than You. It has several useful options such as re-roll LTW, re-randomization for anti-firstborn, check IQ, regenerate portraiture.

I didn't find a lot debugger, there is a ffsdebugger.zip. Is it the same?

PS: I found it here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/pets/hacks/), it seems there is not a forum anymore, just a ftp directory.

[Tigress_SC]

Yep, that's it! :)

[era506]

Yep, that's it! :)

Thanks!!! I will try it.

[simsample]

I had a sim stuck at IQ 360 until she reached teen years, then I moved the family to a different house... it seems that this reset the teen, and her IQ went back to 100 then. If you want to preserve the IQ I'd avoid doing anything that would reset the sim, such as installing certain hacks or forcing an error.

[metaphysics1221]

I've been doing some research with my sims on this, so far I think I've proved that sims have IQ that varies all over the place. It also seems hereditary, my studies showed faster learning times for the children of families with faster learning times. However, I wonder if the infant training had something to do with that.

[tree4me]

Yeah, I know where you are coming from, but my sims stats do that until they reach their teen years, even WITHOUT the SmartMilk. "Wait, hang on? Why do they learn faster than their older siblings and parents?"

I am absolutely gobsmacked, because it happens ALL THE TIME! Creepy... Well not really, but still...

[Cyjon]

Personality definitely affects learning. The appropriate skills/personality are:

Cleaning-Neat
Creativity-Playful
Logic-Serious
Body-Active
Charisma-Outgoing

Nothing helps Mechanical and I'm fairly sure nothing helps Cooking. I say "fairly sure" because I did note in one of my wanderings through the game code that it looked like Cooking is actually tied to Niceness but I've never had the time to investigate that fully.

The bonus is +10% learning rate for each point above 5 up to +50% at level 10. Serious, of course, works the opposite - +10% for every point below 5. Low personality doesn't act as a penalty so sloppy sims learn Cleaning just as fast as sims of Neatness 5.

There are lots of additional explanations for why different sims might learn at different rates. Different items have different learning rates - you learn Body much faster on the treadmill than working out in front of the stereo. However things like going to college, learning toddlers skills, heredity (other than personality effects), etc. have no effect. Everyone has the same base IQ and though items like smart milk and the thinking cap can change that temporarily, I don't believe there are any permanent changes other than the stuck smart milk bug.

[gdayars]

My sims always learn faster through childhood if they have had the smart milk as toddlers, and I always make cas created sims serious so they will learn faster. The effects of the smart milk only seem to last through childhood however. As a matter of fact, my ingame born sims almost always have all of their skills learned by the time they become teens, or at most, within a day or two of being teens in my game :)

I actually quit playing my self sim because she had learned all of her skills, had earned a gold badge in everything, and had learned all the extra stuff in the bookcase, plus achieved both maximum goodness and skill as a witch! I got bored lol. She also had achieved the ten children want and the twenty grandchildren want! She was well on her way to having a level ten business when I got bored and quit playing her.