The Gaming community

[WildWitch]

Im not a big forum person, mostly I prefer to remain silent about a lot of thing, recently I learned of the supernatural expansion, I was so exited and went online to learn more about it. What I learned was that people are repetitive, unappreciative complainers. The gaming community in its entirety often act like spoiled brats with forums full of death threats ect to the gaming companies.

I understand if you dislike a certain game, but if you do, DONT GO ON AND ON about it seriously. Major complaints seem to revolve around the companies not listening to the community, but honestly why would you with todays complain society. You don't walk into a clothing store march up to the clerk and start moaning about how you don't like their clothing, so why is it okay for these irritating haters to go around complaining about every single game reputedly until forums are full of their bile and venom?.

The worst thing is even if a thread is specifically said to be an appreciation thread the haters have to run in and say I DONT LIKE.... I mean seriously if you have nothing nice to say then shut the hell up, because nothing in life is perfect and without the gaming companies there would be NO GAMES AT ALL. Its okay to have an opinion, (no matter how unreasonable), but sometimes you should keep it to yourself.

Thankyou for you time

[SeeMyu]

Perfect place for this :) :up:
Though, I wouldn't say people are unappreciative complainers. Many people are very appreciative of the Supernatural expansion (just check out the TS3 Forum; loads of them there), but you can't expect everyone to like a company's product. Also, people are able to share their own opinions on products.. they shouldn't be shunned for something they disagree on. As for the clothing store reference.. not all companies should have positive reviews and have all negative reviews ignored; they must learn from their mistakes and not feed on what good things people have to say about it. It could lead to another failure..and then another. Negative feedback is just as important as positive feedback, in my opinion that is.

As a side note.. it's sort of rude to tell people to shut the hell up.. wouldn't that be an opinion to keep to yourself? ;)

[heaven]

I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific instance or just an overall attitude. Yes, there are people that are going to disagree with your opinion. Such is life. However, a lot of people in chat when we talked were actually excited about Supernatural. A few of us, not so much, but I haven't even gone as far as saying I hate it. More that I wasn't sure if I was going to buy it yet, since it's not really a style I play so I would prefer an EP that had other stuff besides Supernatural. Just opinion. Which ALL of us are entitled to. It sucks when not everyone gets as excited as you are about something but that's the way the cookie crumbles or whatever euphemism you would like. We can all accept each other's opinions. What's frustrating is when someone keeps saying "no, you're wrong, I'm right" making it a debate instead of just expression of opinions.

[ReyaD]

We're consumers, and we love to complain. Overall however I've thought the reaction towards Supernatural has been very positive, and the worst I've really seen is "Meh, not looking forward to this." Nothing like the annoyance towards SHT or absolute hate towards Sweet Treats.

By the way: I am looking forward to Supernaturals.

[WildWitch]

I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific instance or just an overall attitude. Yes, there are people that are going to disagree with your opinion. Such is life. However, a lot of people in chat when we talked were actually excited about Supernatural. A few of us, not so much, but I haven't even gone as far as saying I hate it. More that I wasn't sure if I was going to buy it yet, since it's not really a style I play so I would prefer an EP that had other stuff besides Supernatural. Just opinion. Which ALL of us are entitled to. It sucks when not everyone gets as excited as you are about something but that's the way the cookie crumbles or whatever euphemism you would like. We can all accept each other's opinions. What's frustrating is when someone keeps saying "no, you're wrong, I'm right" making it a debate instead of just expression of opinions.

Im more referring to the whole community, its a bunch of instances across the board, there has been major hate for diablo 3 (im not a fan but Im not filling forums with hate about it) and a lot of people complained about dragon age 2. See I have nothing wrong with peoples opinions but saying somethings bad and then saying anyone who disagrees is taking away your right to an opinion or causing a fracas is frankly unfair and unjust, but for the case of the chat room for example.

I gave points and reasons why sims 3 was better than sims 2, as is what is done in a discussion, when I asked for validating reasons for an argument why sims 2 was better (because I was actually interested in peoples reasonings and emotions, I wished to understand the thought process), it was like the only response was vague so I tried to understand better and was then threatened with being kicked.

I understand people have opinions but from what I see its all negative and no one gives justification for these reasons or any constructive criticism it all seems to be over emotional dribble, it all seems to be "because I said so" responses, also I think a lot of this is better than that seems to be stemming from nostalgic memories and feelings created when playing old games.

[ButchSims]

To be fair, most of the 'naysayers' I have come across fall into two different factions. Those who aren't fond of the supernatural theme in general, which I can understand, not every pack will appeal to every player. But most of them seem to be the "butthurt" type who just complain that it isn't Seasons, going on and on about how EA doesn't listen to what their customers want, how EA is ruining the sims because they can't shovel snow or rake leaves or whathaveyou. To those people, I calmly (mostly) explain that EA IS listening to it's customers for once, since people have been wanting real magic for as long as the game has been out, the previous magic packs sold very well, as I expect this one to do as well, and that if they don't like the pack, they can simply not buy it. Or at least see what it can offer to those who don't want zombies and werewolves all over the place. Beekeeping is a great skill that can fit in with Eco-friendly Sims, candle making for those arty crafty sims, etc. Heck, even rocking a baby to sleep in the rocking chair all add something to the game that most simmers can find a use for. I sometimes feel like a certain percentage of gamers, mostly the younger generation, feel a certain entitlement, simply because they are used to a gaming environment that demands utter perfection, or they will simply play for a week, and then trade it in for whatever new thing has come out. In the days of Coleco, Atari, and Nintendo, people held on to their games. Barring selling them at a garage sale or pawn shop, there was no used games market. But now that people have so many different media clamoring for attention, people are putting the "consume" back into consumer. Games are made to be played, then tossed, and they better be fantastic, or some youtube review that bashes them will go viral, and the game will be sunk.


And just for the record, I didn't think Dragon Age 2 was THAT bad. I had fun with it anyway.

[WildWitch]

Well said, " feel a certain entitlement, simply because they are used to a gaming environment that demands utter perfection" this is what Ive been saying all along, they act like spoiled brats.

[SeeMyu]

Yes, there are certain people who give constructive comments.. but not everyone will/will be able to. It is weird, but you still have to respect their opinion just how we are respecting yours right this minute. Instead of being so rude about it and insulting them, try responding to them in a mature way. Since you are a university student, I would have thought you would already have learned that..but who am I to judge?

Moral of the story: There will always be a great amount of appreciators and a great amount of complainers, but you still must respect their opinion as much as you would want them to respect your's. :)

[Shoosh Malooka]

Okay, they act like spoiled brats because they probably are spoiled brats. But... you can't fault them for that. You just can't. Spoil't, entitle't, asshole't, etc are not crimes and you can't reach through your monitor and throttle them. You just have to tolerate it because humans being humans is a normal part of life and interaction in a social world. And... because the social world of internet forums provides anonymity and various degrees of moderation. There are pinkybutts everywhere and that includes the internet and outernet, the real world. You also can't control the attitudes, opinions, and freedom of speech of other people. What you can control is several things like 1. whether or not to let it ruin your day ( best solution ), 2. which forum to visit and which to avoid, 3. whether or not to call them out and demolish their arguments or better yet call them out and suggest a solution, 4. ignore them, and probably other things as well.

"Someone doesn't like my game? Oh no, my life is ruined." No.

So, Sims 3 is going to have a supernatural pack, huh? I certainly hope they didn't take away cauldrons. That was my favorite part: Having my sim sprinking herbs and other evil stuff into the the cauldron, stirring it, and letting out a bit of a sinister, calculated laugh.

[heaven]

Im more referring to the whole community, its a bunch of instances across the board, there has been major hate for diablo 3 (im not a fan but Im not filling forums with hate about it) and a lot of people complained about dragon age 2. See I have nothing wrong with peoples opinions but saying somethings bad and then saying anyone who disagrees is taking away your right to an opinion or causing a fracas is frankly unfair and unjust, but for the case of the chat room for example.

I gave points and reasons why sims 3 was better than sims 2, as is what is done in a discussion, when I asked for validating reasons for an argument why sims 2 was better (because I was actually interested in peoples reasonings and emotions, I wished to understand the thought process), it was like the only response was vague so I tried to understand better and was then threatened with being kicked.

I understand people have opinions but from what I see its all negative and no one gives justification for these reasons or any constructive criticism it all seems to be over emotional dribble, it all seems to be "because I said so" responses, also I think a lot of this is better than that seems to be stemming from nostalgic memories and feelings created when playing old games.

Is nostalgia something that shouldn't be taken into consideration when analyzing the pros and cons of a game? Is there something wrong with looking back fondly on TS2 and wishing there were elements still in play for TS3? My opinion is that TS3 should be an improvement on TS2, not be a different game entirely (which it's not) so I will compare and wish I could still have some things that I enjoyed in the older game.

Again, in our "discussion" yesterday, we even conceded that most of us were TS3 players! We are happy with TS3, for the most part, yet we do have the right to miss things about the older games. I miss having more control over my sims. As stated, without NRaas mods, I probably wouldn't play at all. In fact, before I discovered those mods, all I did was build. It wasn't until the past year that I was actually able to play. And I am still looking for ways to improve my gameplay so that it is even more enjoyable for me.

It was never even intended to be a debate or discussion. We were just giving our opinions on the new EP and it turned into a TS2 vs TS3 debate which I am still befuddled about. How did that happen?

No one gave you a "because I said so" response with why we liked TS2. You asked, we answered. Sometimes in great detail, with examples. With every answer though, it was a "but why" response from you, like a petulant child. In turn, this made everyone you were talking to feel that you were invalidating their opinions. It was the exact opposite of what you are in here complaining about: people being respectful of opinions, people not complaining so much. It felt that it was okay to praise the new stuff but not the old, okay to agree with your opinions but we needed intense research devoted to "prove" any opinions not the same as yours. Respecting people's opinions goes both ways, not just the way you agree with.

[M.M.A.A.]

Sims games are bad!

Its a "GAMING COMMUNITY". This place is for us Simmers to nag and whine for as long as we want, didn't you ever hear about the saying "the customer is always right" and another "If the customer is wrong, read rule no. 1".

In the end we are customers, so there has to be something that we dislike. And YES! Some of the supernaturals are UGLY! MUWAHAHAHA!

[WildWitch]

Thats just it though, they keep repeating themselves, there is a point when patience runs out. The haters don't stop at one post that just keep going on and on to the point where you say enough is enough. There is only so my patience and lee-way people can give. The costumer is always right is the biggest load of horse droppings, I used to run a video store and the amount od seemingly good honest and hardworking folks where constantly trying to pull fast ones. Why should society put up with bad behavior, because of freedom of speech well then Im free to say with feeling go to hell to those people as it works both ways, and more and more people become spoiled brats as western civilization continues to the point it WILL collapse in on itself, I give western society another 100 years at most.

So no I don't accept bad behavior from anyone in real life and neither would you, I treat people the same as I do in real-world communication, if someone is going out of their way to whine to me Ill listen for a while as is polite but then I will tell them they are being annoying and I don't care anymore about their current grip, as for humans, I hate humans as a race (but not as individuals), they are selfish egocentric arrogant murderous fools who traipse about the planet upsetting the natural balance, and the real driving force is behind the so called intelligent human is destruction, humans have made destruction and self mutilation into an fashion accessory and a turn on in the bedroom, So no Im done being nice and polite to jerks because the freedom of speech works both ways.

I mean seriously people every single expansion people have bitched about then those same people when the expansion is released come on with stupid things like what's your biggest disappointment in this game their so negative all the time and why because they didn't get the expansion they wanted SEASONS, id like weather in my game too but lately I find myself I hoping EA don't release seasons now just to give the same amount of annoyance and frustration to people who have had to listen to them since sims3 was released, or worse still they buy the game then go on and say how awesome it is. So this was more the last straw I truly feel sorry for every game company in the world because they have to deal with such a vibrantly stupid community.

As for people being over emotional, spare me, I have a chemical chaos to the point where I cannot function in normal society (Disabled), Every single emotional response I receive is charged to breaking point, this is what the doctors say and its genetic (Im not going to have children), when Im sad its never a little bit its always to the point of crippling suicidal depression when Im happy Im over the moon, so on and so on, the point is I manage to maintain and positive and supportive attitude online most of the time and if Im annoyed about a game I rant about it to by myself (when Im angry it lasts a couple of days normally), so what's your god dam excuse! (I sound like Dr. becker lol)

(please note when I say you its not targeting certain individuals, nor is this singly about the sims community but the entire gaming community, also statements like everyone don't actually mean everyone I know there are people out there who conduct themselves properly online.)

[SeeMyu]

:rolleyes: Well, it's just something you're going to have to deal with. No one is perfect.. and no one is going to react the same way about a product. I honestly don't know what else to say.. you're kind of just defending your opinion with the same statement over and over again but in different forms :/

And not to sound naive, but first you tell others to shut up and now you're want us to spare you because you're "disabled"? Something's not adding up here.

[WildWitch]

:rolleyes: Well, it's just something you're going to have to deal with. No one is perfect.. and no one is going to react the same way about a product. I honestly don't know what else to say.. you're kind of just defending your opinion with the same statement over and over again but in different forms :/

And not to sound naive, but first you tell others to shut up and now you're want us to spare you because you're "disabled"? Something's not adding up here.

When I said Im disabled I was more referring to the fact that if I don't like a game I seem to behave more appropriately when it comes to online talking, I don't send death threats ect to companies, as I said this is not really about you and the people here personally, its more about the overall attitude of the community.

If I were to go personally Id say Heaven and yourself have acted with some level decency, however people like you seem to be rare and far between, this was more triggered from trailing through sims 3 posts about supernatural to find the info and seeing tons of posts on seasons is the will of the community and other arrogant self centric statements such as that, when I left the chat and said you killed my buzz you did, (not your fault) but it was more frustration because I was trying to understand the reasoning for why you enjoyed sims 2 (because I was trying to understand from your point of view, it wont change anything but I find peoples thoughts interesting to evaluate) it was more about being shut down by the moderator which I still believe was unnecessary as no insults or flaming ect where given.

Its like this most of the posts on here (this topic) are not actually aggressive but it is a debate, and debates promote a certain style of speech.

I agree with you Im simply repeating what I have said now so I can sum up my arguments for the statement "The gaming community as a whole behave poorly towards each other and game companies"

1 There are actual death threats sent to companies (ie. Diablo 3 players)

2 There are people that will be negative on every forum whenever they can (ie. sims 3 expansion forums are constantly littered with negative responses usually because the expansion is not seasons)

3 Most manners or common etiquette ect are not observed, being polite seems to not apply to online gaming communities (ie Pay-sites must be destroyed, people are usually incredibly rude, another example could be wow where topics of chat in trade chat usually are of a vulgar nature)

4 Certain gamers troll on online games because they are bored, this is extremely selfish as it ruins the experience of play for other uses (i.e World of Warcraft)

5 Gamers are constantly trying to pull fast ones and pirated software is out of hand

6 Gamers spare no thought or mercy for the companies that actually make games (one example of many would be the hate posts generated about dragon age 2), the companies like ea may be big but every time someone posts un-constructive hate posts they forget that it directly insults not just a faceless company but individuals whom may have been quite proud of their work and therefore is a form of bullying.

7 gamers often subject new people to gaming (in certain areas) with ridicule, (i.e this sites downloading for frakin idiots, while it may meant to be a witty tittle it is demeaning to people that may not have the computer know how in regards to installing mods, which is fair since every game has a different procedure).

There we go, I've given a full argument to support my statement.

Also I haven't opened tons of topics on various forums saying this just this one, so I believe the extent of the posting is rather restrained when compared.

[qpldmff]

^ I feel like number 3 applies perfectly to MATY. Most people there appear to have serious psychological problems.

[BlakeS5678]

So no I don't accept bad behavior from anyone in real life and neither would you, I treat people the same as I do in real-world communication, if someone is going out of their way to whine to me Ill listen for a while as is polite but then I will tell them they are being annoying and I don't care anymore about their current grip, as for humans, I hate humans as a race (but not as individuals), they are selfish egocentric arrogant murderous fools who traipse about the planet upsetting the natural balance, and the real driving force is behind the so called intelligent human is destruction, humans have made destruction and self mutilation into an fashion accessory and a turn on in the bedroom, So no Im done being nice and polite to jerks because the freedom of speech works both ways.

Reading that statement really makes me feel like you have a couple of problems you need to work out. You seem to have a dozen ulterior motives for saying the horrible things about consumers themselves, and seem angry about something a lot different than Sims Games Forums. Take a chill pill, get a hold of yourself.

And, F.Y.I. You have been bitching and ranting more than any other negative consumer feedback report I've ever seen.

[Shoosh Malooka]

Your emotions are using too many absolutes. Let's break down one of these thoughts and add perspective:

The gaming community in its entirety often act like spoiled brats with forums full of death threats ect to the gaming companies.

1. Is this thought based on reality? The whole community in it's entirety? Absolutely no good gamers in the mix? If there are good people then the original thought is not realistic and should go in the garbage.
2. Even if the whole community are spoiled brats, does that prevent you from achieving your goals in life? If it doesn't help you then throw that thought in the trash.
3. Is the thought of a whole community of brats a pleasant thought? Doesn't sound like one. To the wastebasket with that thought.
4. A whole community of spoiled brats. Does beating yourself up with this thought help you protect your life and health? Into the chute with that one if it doesn't.
5. The thought of a whole community of brats. Does this help you avoid conflict with yourself and others. Only you can decide to trash the thought.

I don't know how you would honestly answer, so I can only wager a prediction that it would be 4/5 or 5/5 that assaulting yourself with a 'whole community of brats' just isn't helpful to you.

If you let stuff like that bother you so often then it could drive you nuts.

Sorry about your condition, it's not fair but it's also the burden that life has charged you with. I used to have a crippling problem with intrusive thoughts, but now I have it under control. The best I can say is to be a Sisyphus. Sisyphus is this fictional person that the gods punish. They make him roll a boulder up to the top of the hill, but the top is so steep that the boulder rolls back to the bottom. However, Sisyphus knows that it pisses them off greatly that he gets up each and every time to push it back up to the top.

He turns his punishment into a way to one up the gods and he will keep doing it until the end.

[M.M.A.A.]

The gaming community in its entirety often act like spoiled brats with forums full of death threats ect to the gaming companies.


BTW, that's a hasty generalization you got there^.

[el_flel]

Sure, there are entitled people within the gaming community, who seem to think that companies owe it to them to make what they want and will pitch a fit if they don't get it. However, people like that exist in all walks of life. These attitudes are not specific to gamers.

[piggypeach]

And, F.Y.I. You have been bitching and ranting more than any other negative consumer feedback report I've ever seen.

You could say she's... a Wild Witch. :rofl:

[SuicidiaParasidia]

I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific instance or just an overall attitude. Yes, there are people that are going to disagree with your opinion. Such is life. However, a lot of people in chat when we talked were actually excited about Supernatural. A few of us, not so much, but I haven't even gone as far as saying I hate it. More that I wasn't sure if I was going to buy it yet, since it's not really a style I play so I would prefer an EP that had other stuff besides Supernatural. Just opinion. Which ALL of us are entitled to. It sucks when not everyone gets as excited as you are about something but that's the way the cookie crumbles or whatever euphemism you would like. We can all accept each other's opinions. What's frustrating is when someone keeps saying "no, you're wrong, I'm right" making it a debate instead of just expression of opinions.

well, to be fair, sometimes the reason for someones disapproval is rooted in a misconception that could have been dispelled by research that obviously didnt take place.
in that case, "you're wrong, i'm right" would be helpful. fact and opinion can, at times, collide.

about the supernatural EP in particular, i noticed a lot of people who didnt bother to read up on what the EP might already be doing to address their concerns, such as supernatural sims running wild and unchecked. they just posted those concerns as if they were fact and then expected them to not be refuted at all, which is pretty silly and easily avoidable.
but hey...that would require reading. most people these days dont like to read about a thing before they judge it. ;)

i, for one, am psyched about the supernatural EP, but i wouldnt say that my appreciation of it is enough to constitute asking or requiring others to suppress their displeasure. theyre free to whine all they want, just as i am free to woot and sing praises. it goes both ways, as far as simply stating how you feel about it, goes.

and i agree with what someone else said about closing your ears to criticism and only listening to praise being a counterproductive thing. improvements dont come from only listening to the people who like the ideas they come out with as they are....and, well, hopefully people want their game to keep getting better, rather than stay at one level or get crappier.

[maxon]

^ I feel like number 3 applies perfectly to MATY. Most people there appear to have serious psychological problems.
Well, to be fair to MATY, they don't pretend to be anything other than a bear pit and you don't actually have to talk to anyone there in order to DL the hacks (or anything else).

[BlakeS5678]

You could say she's... a Wild Witch. :rofl:

Oh, piggypeach, my BLHJASAYFIFEAFF you.

You're jokes just never get old do they?!

This is starting to feel like a Wild Witch roast. (Pun Intended)

What is this? The medieval times?

[heaven]

6 Gamers spare no thought or mercy for the companies that actually make games (one example of many would be the hate posts generated about dragon age 2), the companies like ea may be big but every time someone posts un-constructive hate posts they forget that it directly insults not just a faceless company but individuals whom may have been quite proud of their work and therefore is a form of bullying.

7 gamers often subject new people to gaming (in certain areas) with ridicule, (i.e this sites downloading for frakin idiots, while it may meant to be a witty tittle it is demeaning to people that may not have the computer know how in regards to installing mods, which is fair since every game has a different procedure).

There we go, I've given a full argument to support my statement.

Also I haven't opened tons of topics on various forums saying this just this one, so I believe the extent of the posting is rather restrained when compared.

Man, I've missed a lot and have a lot to reply to! First off, negative criticism is NOT bullying. I am sick to death of people having to praise everyone for "trying" regardless of the quality. 2+2=5 does not make an A no matter how hard the poor kid tried. It is the teacher's responsibility to correct this, not give an "A for effort". In the same sense, we, as consumers, have the right to express displeasure in the products we buy. Saying that we don't like Showtime or are mad the game is not functioning in the manner it should (anyone still suffering from the Magic Book and Fountain of Youth issue?) is NOT bullying. It is our responsibility to bring those issues up so they can get fixed. If I recall, someone "complaining" about that very thing led to Twallan fixing the issue. I still don't know if EA has fixed it. It took until patch 1.33 to fix the poor infant head and almost as long to fix the bugs that came with WA with the camera.

Also, if you have ever actually clicked on the Downloading for Fracking Idiots (http://modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Downloading_for_Fracking_Idiots), there is a disclaimer RIGHT THERE saying it is not meant to be offensive in the least. Are also saying that the 'For Dummies" series of books and videos is demeaning? If so, you have a lot more issues than just the gaming community.

If I were to go personally Id say Heaven and yourself have acted with some level decency, however people like you seem to be rare and far between, this was more triggered from trailing through sims 3 posts about supernatural to find the info and seeing tons of posts on seasons is the will of the community and other arrogant self centric statements such as that, when I left the chat and said you killed my buzz you did, (not your fault) but it was more frustration because I was trying to understand the reasoning for why you enjoyed sims 2 (because I was trying to understand from your point of view, it wont change anything but I find peoples thoughts interesting to evaluate) it was more about being shut down by the moderator which I still believe was unnecessary as no insults or flaming ect where given.

WildWitch, you were shut down by the moderator (aka me) because, as I have pointed out a dozen times, here and in chat, it was turning into an argument and the conversation should have been dropped. Everyone else in the room changed topics and you couldn't seem to leave it be. I didn't even ban you or kick you out. You left on your own accord.

Also, there is a quote that seems to sum up your argument absolutely perfectly: "On the internet, you can be anything you want. It's strange that so many people choose to be stupid." People will complain, people will whine and moan, people will act like jackasses. What's sad is that these people are the ones that get the majority of the attention because the normal, not-so-opinionated, mentally balanced people keep to themselves, behave with manners, and don't cause such a ruckus. It's one thing to complain about something or whine a bit and wish it was going to be more your way, another thing entirely to act like a "spoiled, self entitled brat". And yes, there is a difference.

well, to be fair, sometimes the reason for someones disapproval is rooted in a misconception that could have been dispelled by research that obviously didnt take place. in that case, "you're wrong, i'm right" would be helpful. fact and opinion can, at times, collide.

about the supernatural EP in particular, i noticed a lot of people who didnt bother to read up on what the EP might already be doing to address their concerns, such as supernatural sims running wild and unchecked. they just posted those concerns as if they were fact and then expected them to not be refuted at all, which is pretty silly and easily avoidable.
but hey...that would require reading. most people these days dont like to read about a thing before they judge it. ;)

i, for one, am psyched about the supernatural EP, but i wouldnt say that my appreciation of it is enough to constitute asking or requiring others to suppress their displeasure. theyre free to whine all they want, just as i am free to woot and sing praises. it goes both ways, as far as simply stating how you feel about it, goes.

and i agree with what someone else said about closing your ears to criticism and only listening to praise being a counterproductive thing. improvements dont come from only listening to the people who like the ideas they come out with as they are....and, well, hopefully people want their game to keep getting better, rather than stay at one level or get crappier.

I agree. There are a lot of people who whine for the sake of whining, bitch for the sake of making an argument and complain because they have nothing better to do. These people don't need facts and don't look further than beyond their narrow scope of limited self-entitlement. I suppose what I meant earlier (what you bolded) was someone stating an opinion and another person telling them the opinion is wrong. Like:

A: My favorite color is blue.
B: But why? What makes blue so much better than green?
A: It's not. I just prefer the hue of blue.
B: Well, that doesn't make any sense. Why would you do that?

Uh, really? How's about you let me like blue and shut the fuck up? And if there is research and documentation from an actual scientific study proving why green is a better color than blue you can keep it to yourself because I can guarantee I don't care.

[WildWitch]

@ shoosh, I already said there are exemptions, so your argument has already been addressed, also I like the gods and hate humans getting ideas above their station, the stupid arrogance of wrath of the titans and lines such as "your half human, half god and that makes you better than the gods" no other word can describe this other than Blasphemy, but I appreciate the sentiment, I have never known a normal emotional state so I have learned to live with it, my major battle everyday with is crippling depression, I cant let myself fall down that hole again lol.

@ blake, more than the others, I think not, check out the posters on the official forums about show-time, I rest my case. Also I do have a ulterior motive and I know a lot of things you don't which I wont go into detail here (I don't mean Im smarter, or you have less knowledge than me about everything just some things as Im sure is the case with yourself). Also its not turning into a witch roasting (AHH IM MELTING WHAT A WORLD WHAT A WORLD lol) its a proper debate.

@ heaven its less about people criticizing and more about people flat out bitching, "Ea is bad therefore anything they make is bad", Ive heard this argument way to many times its not helpful it doesn't offer good feedback neither does "this ep sucks because I want seasons". Criticizing is fine if its constructive if its not what is the point?. Also that quote does sum it up, but if you expect perfection from the companies shouldn't you also to be fair seek perfection from yourself?, Also like I said I have a constant heightened emotional response Im also very creative so when something interrupts my thought process or current artistic project Im prone to overact which is why I left the chat room, because I know I cant let things go the silly statement before I left was the tip of the iceberg of what I would have been like if I stayed and your good people and don't deserve that (like dr becker off tv, anyone watch becker, love that show).

@ Suicidia this is the point Im trying to make, as for reading only the positive statements, well when your trying to find informations about any game you will have to sift through negative (without reason) things, mainly I skim read a lot of stuff first but its annoying having to skim tons of posts to glimmer a little info.

See Im not talking about people who go on forums and give reasons why they dislike a particular game as thats feedback that the companies can use, saying the game should be done your way otherwise its crap is not constructive, saying it should be seasons and because its not its crap is downright insulting. Also bashing games before their release is near unacceptable especially when there has been no information released in an official capacity.

@ Piggy, I fail to understand the joke please explain

[daluved1]

Okay guys, it's getting to the point of flaming. Let's tone it down.

[piggypeach]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ilsJRe_xRFY/T917zMAQBaI/AAAAAAAAA2A/eIWJkqL8x9w/s320/afgirlmeme.jpg

[daluved1]

Anyways, here's my view on everything. It's funny because I was just saying something similar to myself the other day when I was reading through the comments about Supernatural on MS3B. Although I saw more praise for Supernatural, than hate, I was a little ticked at the amount of complaining there was. But then I remembered...

People complain.

A lot.

Society as a whole will not and cannot ever be pleased. They ask for a cake, you bake them cake, but some complain it's not sweet enough. You add more sugar to the recipe, now it's TOO sweet for some. So, you add a little lemon extract to the batter, now cake is out of fashion, everyone wants pies! Bottom line it's impossible to please everyone, there will always be someone disgruntled in the masses. It's just a fact of life and human nature. Dwelling on this will get you nowhere, because you can't change it. You just have to take it for what it is.

Going back to the original topic, I think what you fail to understand is that gaming communities are where people come together to talk about a game. Part of the allure of internet communities is to be able to have good old fashion bitchfests with "peers". Because some of us - me for example - don't have any RL friends who play The Sims. So, I really have no one to complain about sucky EPs to, or talk out my frustrations with a buggy patch. So, the only time I get to really have some good discussions about The Sims is when I get into the community chats/forums. Naturally, you're going to see a lot of posts of complaints because that's the only way that we can get our voice out and/or show our frustrations. Do some take it too far? Yes. Are some really over-exaggerating? Yes. Do most people complain first, read later? Yes. *shrug* Really, what can you do?

[Mistermook]

Watched this for a while. Still not sure how it's supposed to be a debate as opposed to "I'm upset and want to discuss this." Why didn't you just take this to the Vent thread in Offtopic?

[ElementMK]

Wait, there's a supernatural EP coming out?
http://i.eho.st/pglbcoxq.gif

[WildWitch]

You're not only offensive and rude, but you're also a hypocrite. Well done, jackass!

Thank you for supplying more evidence to my argument, I hope you are proud of this behavior.

@ Element, YES, its been officially announced now you can view the the official release info on the sims ea forums, and look at the trailer on you tube, the expansion pack is called supernatural, love the animated image very funny.

and to all who are making stupid statements without backing evidence, the argument is only supported by your disappointing behavior.

[BlakeS5678]

Thank you for supplying more evidence to my argument, I hope you are proud of this behavior.

Snarky are we?

Well, that should get us somewhere.

[piggypeach]

Thank you for supplying more evidence to my argument, I hope you are proud of this behavior.

Hello there.

Wait, I thought your argument was that users complain about the games too much... Confused here...

[WildWitch]

That's not an argument, it's a bitchy rant.

Its more about the overall behavior, not just complaining, so every attempt by people to flame only enforce the evidence of the argument.

[BlakeS5678]

Its more about the overall behavior, not just complaining, so every attempt by people to flame only enforce the evidence of the argument.

Oh, really. Is that so? Better start deleting your posts before I quote you.

[DuskTrooper]

every attempt by people to flame only enforce the evidence of the argument.

And what argument is that? It's definitely not your first argument about people complaining about a video game.

And it's definitely not your second argument about how you hate humanity.

Wait a minute here; you're now creating a third argument about how people react to your arguments?

How many arguments do you need?

enough is enough.

Exactly.Why don't you realize this? I mean, you're the one who said it.

[WildWitch]

And what argument is that? It's definitely not your first argument about people complaining about a video game.

And it's definitely not your second argument about how you hate humanity.

Wait a minute here; you're now creating a third argument about how people react to your arguments?

How many arguments do you need?



Exactly.Why don't you realize this? I mean, you're the one who said it.

Ive been rather restrained so far, if you seek to continue in this hostile path I will report you :alarm: . Thank-you

[DuskTrooper]

Ive been rather restrained so far, if you seek to continue in this hostile path I will report you :alarm: . Thank-you

Report me? Why? Because you don't like the responses you've got?

[piggypeach]

Ive been rather restrained so far, if you seek to continue in this hostile path I will report you :alarm: . Thank-you

I don't think you have any need to report him. You've been rather confusing and some of us are trying to wrap our heads around what you're getting at.

1. First you were upset that people here are spoiled brats and hating on Supernatural.

2. Then you complained about our "behavior" when we explained that this was an untrue extremely broad generalization.

3. Every time someone pointed out how you were complaining also, you just said "that's another point to my argument."

4. Now you're telling everybody to chill out and threatening to report them?!

[BlakeS5678]

I've had enough of this.

It's past time to lock this thread, be classy, and end all this non-sense.

Wild Witch is obviously out for attention and has got it, anything from here on is feeding the fire.

On a second note, no matter how much anybody says, this is NOT a debate. It may be an argument, (also known as bickering, flaming, etc.) but, utmost NOT a debate.

[SeeMyu]

Ive been rather restrained so far, if you seek to continue in this hostile path I will report you :alarm: . Thank-you

Quick! Report everyone who disagrees with your statements! :!!:

[SuicidiaParasidia]

I agree. There are a lot of people who whine for the sake of whining, bitch for the sake of making an argument and complain because they have nothing better to do. These people don't need facts and don't look further than beyond their narrow scope of limited self-entitlement. I suppose what I meant earlier (what you bolded) was someone stating an opinion and another person telling them the opinion is wrong. Like:

A: My favorite color is blue.
B: But why? What makes blue so much better than green?
A: It's not. I just prefer the hue of blue.
B: Well, that doesn't make any sense. Why would you do that?

Uh, really? How's about you let me like blue and shut the fuck up? And if there is research and documentation from an actual scientific study proving why green is a better color than blue you can keep it to yourself because I can guarantee I don't care.


my point was more or less that when a person forms their opinion around something based on FACT (or lack thereof), its a lot more debatable.
for example, the people who said they didnt like the EP already because it was "probably" going to end up letting all the monster classes run wild...and that is simply a lie, and if that lie was the only reason they had going against the EP, and had taken the time to look into that misconception BEFORE spouting their opinion on the idea of the game (because, lets face it, it isnt even out and about yet)...the opinion might be changed to a more positive, less needlessly whiny viewpoint.

it really is the difference between liking blue more than green because you find it prettier than green, or liking jam more than jelly because jelly is made from aborted fetuses!!1!1!!!!11oneone.

i have more respect for people who base their opinion on fact rather than hearsay or what they made up and inserted into the pack.
if people are disappointed that the new EP is not what they anticipated, i totally understand that, and they are completely entitled to it. however, i would ask that they keep in mind that their wishes arent the ONLY ones EA has to cater to, and there is still the future--weather may not be NOW, but its not off the table permanently.

@ Suicidia this is the point Im trying to make, as for reading only the positive statements, well when your trying to find informations about any game you will have to sift through negative (without reason) things, mainly I skim read a lot of stuff first but its annoying having to skim tons of posts to glimmer a little info.

i can understand that, but you do have the power to ignore them, and MTS isn't the only source for info on the new EP(s).
if it really bothers you, it may help to make note of the most frequent complainers and add them to your block list.. which i think hides their posts from your view. blocking them is certainly more conducive to results than asking everyone else to change their behavior for you, even if it is crappy behavior.

[paksetti]

ohey guys, bugs.
http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ant-photography-7.jpg

[piggypeach]

Yay! Bugs!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfDS0_VNpMswrlPNievNEd2OYLWSolv0RzJa73Oom7fHcz6lt7Hw

[Sparklycookie]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Classic_bugsbunny.png

Wait, that's not the same thing.

[heaven]

my point was more or less that when a person forms their opinion around something based on FACT (or lack thereof), its a lot more debatable.
for example, the people who said they didnt like the EP already because it was "probably" going to end up letting all the monster classes run wild...and that is simply a lie, and if that lie was the only reason they had going against the EP, and had taken the time to look into that misconception BEFORE spouting their opinion on the idea of the game (because, lets face it, it isnt even out and about yet)...the opinion might be changed to a more positive, less needlessly whiny viewpoint.

it really is the difference between liking blue more than green because you find it prettier than green, or liking jam more than jelly because jelly is made from aborted fetuses!!1!1!!!!11oneone.

i have more respect for people who base their opinion on fact rather than hearsay or what they made up and inserted into the pack.
if people are disappointed that the new EP is not what they anticipated, i totally understand that, and they are completely entitled to it. however, i would ask that they keep in mind that their wishes arent the ONLY ones EA has to cater to, and there is still the future--weather may not be NOW, but its not off the table permanently.


Oh, yeah, I see what you mean. Like my opinion that I am not sure that I will like Supernatural because I rarely play those types of characters (I've just recently had my first vampire and she is an NPC, not even one of my active sims) vs I hate Supernatural because it's a load of crap that's just going to mess up my game and turn it into Forks ala Twilight by automagically increasing the supernatural population exponentially by every in-game minute I play. Can definitely agree with that.

[WildWitch]

I don't think you have any need to report him. You've been rather confusing and some of us are trying to wrap our heads around what you're getting at.

1. First you were upset that people here are spoiled brats and hating on Supernatural.

2. Then you complained about our "behavior" when we explained that this was an untrue extremely broad generalization.

3. Every time someone pointed out how you were complaining also, you just said "that's another point to my argument."

4. Now you're telling everybody to chill out and threatening to report them?!

To address these statements you need only read the previous post that lists arguments and evidence of that within the greater gaming community not just mod the sims or the sims game forums also you will if you read the previous posts its not just about people complaining its...

1 Complaining without providing good evidence or proper critic very much as suicida has pointed out.

2 Being disrespectful with behavior like issuing death threats ect towards the companies

3 treating each other extremely poorly overall

This is a broad generalization however there is more evidence to support the bad behavior of the overall community so wether is true or not is actually what the debate is about and not one person has presented evidence otherwise.

Its like the humanity argument as well there is more evidence of appalling behavior such as the human race is responsible for the mass genocide of many species but because these species are not human they believe it doesn't count, if there is a greater outer-worldly court this evidence would be enough to condemn them.

When warning Im more referring to outright aggressive posts with no value to the argument (Im not quite familiar with internet terms but I believe flaming refers to people throwing insults rather than well constructed arguments, also when Im warning about reporting its to those people, users like heaven have conducted themselves with proper behavior while the other 2 are simply hurling insults and making claims like "I was attention seeking" which are simply untrue).

If you misunderstood then I apologize for not making the arguments clearer. However you behavior before points to evidence that maybe you didn't read the posts properly and decided to be silly from the start, Im glad to see you've decided to take a more intellectual approach now as you have I will listen to your arguments and questions and reply accordingly.

[piggypeach]

Okay, you want evidence that not all people are hating on Supernatural?

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTA8upAUWkqEHN-Dq47jrNq_B0yzPxVjY1YkPLHZnHaHTcZLphs3UjSzcEx

Edit: Okay, here we go...

Oh man! That's a big deal! A magic expansion where the creature isn't wizards/witches? Perhaps two creatures...Can you imagine?! Oh, I am excited!
Oh god! That's awesome!
I am personally extremely happy and excited that this EP is next!
I was really, really hoping for a Magic EP but didn't think it would happen because of the EA Store. I REALLY hope this is all true, and it looks promising.
This EP sounds cool actually. I'd quite like magical creatures and spell casting in my game.
This is the first time I've felt truly excited for a TS3 EP.
Finally. My Life Will Be Complete.
From the little information we have, it already sounds more impressive than SHT.
Makin' Magic is my absolute favorite expansion pack of all time. I'm so pumped they're making it for the Sims 3.
I Wanna Dance Around Naked...i'm So Excited...no I'm Ultra-over-super-duper Excited...this Is Magical Magical Indeed Good Raven Lord Has Answer My Pray.

Stay tuned for my next chapter: People being nice to each other.

[BlakeS5678]

"I was attention seeking" which is simply untrue

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh528/BlakeS5678/Attention.jpg

You asked for it, and I couldn't resist.

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh528/BlakeS5678/Hypocrite.jpg

Oh, I got you a birthday present too.

[~Dee~]

I find this whole thread hilarious to be quite honest ... the OP is complaining about complainers, you got to be kidding.

People always complain, it's the nature of the beast. Nothing you say or do will change that, ignore it.

Why get so worked up over a bunch of people who have nothing better to do with their time, there are more important things in life to worry about than what people say about a game.

I'm surprised this thread is still open ... it's just a big argument and defiantly NOT a debate.

[SeeMyu]

I suggest we let this thread die. It's getting a little out of hand and is turning into more of a feuded argument rather than a healthy debate. If the OP wants attention, we are definitely giving it to them by responding to their unsupported statements. Also, I don't want to see anyone banned over an argument as low as this one. :)

Peace. :bunny: (in a non political way)

[WildWitch]

OH for crying out loud why do I even bother posting for the LAST AND FINAL TIME, THIS IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE BEHAVIORAL ATTITUDES OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ABOUT SIMS SUPERNATURAL OR ABOUT COMPLAINING YE GODS READ THE POSTS! I cannot make it clearer than that

@Blake your behavior is indicative of someone trolling so Ill simply start ignoring your blatant stupidity, because any idiot can insult people with lame pictures found online, further more your posts have just given more evidence to support my argument well done.

@SIMul You were one of the ones turning this into a stupid debate, so far only a few people have actually contributed anything of worth

[jhd1189]

Everyone:

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/EnPsyane01/no-truck-1.jpg

This thread seems to be bringing out the worst in all parties involved, so I'm going to just go ahead and lock it.