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Harder Homework

by Cyjon Posted 28th Apr 2007 at 11:55 PM - Updated 23rd Sep 2008 at 3:57 AM by Cyjon : Compatibility information
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UPDATE 9/22/2008
Uploaded new version that allows students to learn to study very slowly even if not being taught.

UPDATE 9/3/2008
Per hackdiff this should work fine in Apartment Life

UPDATE 3/15/08
Released version 3, compatible with all game configurations from base game through FreeTime.

Contrary to what I claimed before, the old version was not completely compatible with BV. It worked, but apparently there is some vacation benefit that makes learning to study proceed faster. I never updated to include that until this version.

Since I know I checked it with hackdiff it means either A) there was a bug that EA fixed in one of the BV patches (I checked only the original package) or B) I'm a moron. Although B is quite likely, I'm going to choose to believe A

UPDATE 9/17/07
Released version 2, which adds a logic skill offset to playfulness. Version 2 works with all version of the game, from base game through Bon Voyage.

UPDATE 9/11/07
Per hackdiff, the Seasons version should work with Bon Voyage.

UPDATE 5/3/07
Added a Seasons-compatible version
VERSION 3, release date 3/18/08

This mod makes homework more difficult, based on a sim's aspiration and playfulness. This affects only children and teens, not university homework.

Under the old system, a sim who had been taught to study would take about an hour to complete homework.

Under my system, only knowledge sims will still do homework at this speed. Romance and pleasure sims do homework at 1/3 normal speed, and all other sims (including children, since they don't have an aspiration) go at 2/3 speed.

Regardless of aspiration, sims get bored once they have done a percentage of homework equal to their seriousness (which is the reverse of playfulness). So a sim of playful 10 (serious 0) gets bored after 0%, or immediately. Playful 5 would be bored after completing 50% of the homework, and playful 0 (serious 10) will never get bored.

Playfulness is adjusted by logic skill. Every two points of logic adjusts playfulness by -1, so a student with logic 10 will effectively be 5 points less playful for this calculation.

Once a sim gets bored, homework speed is cut in half. That means 1/2 speed for knowledge sims, 1/6 for romance and pleasure, and 1/3 for everyone else. Yes, this means that a romance or pleasure sim with playfulness 10 will take SIX HOURS to do homework - in fact their rate is so low that neither learning to study nor getting help will lower this time due to rounding.

The Seasons version takes into account the season and juicer bonuses. It also corrects what I'm assuming was an error that allowed students to learn to study faster all the time and not just in the fall.

Let's look at an example that assumes you are also using Partial Homework Credit. If several sims spent the same amount of time on homework, here is how their grades would vary by personality. You can see that romance and pleasure sims have a tough time in school.

           0     5    10
Knowledge  C     B    A+
Other      D+    C    B-
Rom/Pleas  D     D    D+

INSTALLATION: Unzip it and put the package file in your Downloads directory or any subdirectory under Downloads. Be sure to delete any old version of this mod if you are upgrading. I changed the name with the Seasons version so if updating from a pre-Seasons version it won't overwrite the old one automatically.

COMPATIBILITY: This version should work with anything from base game through Apartment Life. I have personally tested it in a game with base only, a game with all EPs through Seasons, and a game with all EPs through FreeTime.

This mod can be used as a standalone mod, but works better when used with my Partial Homework Credit mod.

* Can be used with Inge Jones school desk, but won't affect how that homework is done. She creates her own homework object that uses its own internal routines.
* Works with twojeff's School Bus - Bring Friend dialog
* Does not work with Homework Sometimes (either Jenflower's original or twojeff's updated)

Please don't post this mod anywhere except MTS2. You are welcome to use my work in your own mods as long as you give me credit.

Thanks go to the SimPE team (including the oft-overlooked Peter Jones) plus special thanks to:
* syberspunk - his Harder Harder Grades mod was an inspiration for this
* Smonaff - helped me get a Seasons version out before I had that EP
* klmfrigate - came up with the idea of having logic offset playfulness

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

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Basic Download and Install Instructions:

1. Download: Click the download link to save the .rar or .zip file(s) to your computer.

2. Extract the zip, rar, or 7z file.

3. Place in Downloads Folder: Cut and paste the .package file(s) into your Downloads folder:
  • Origin (Ultimate Collection): Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims™ 2 Ultimate Collection\Downloads\
  • Non-Origin, Windows Vista/7/8/10: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads\
  • Non-Origin, Windows XP: Documents and Settings\(Current User Account)\My Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads\
  • Mac: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads
  • Mac x64: /Library/Containers/com.aspyr.sims2.appstore/Data/Library/Application Support/Aspyr/The Sims 2/Downloads
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Test Subject
#2 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 12:27 AM
How delightfully evil! I love how harder homework and partial homework credit give a lot more personality to our sims. Not everyone is going to finish their homework in an hour, and not everyone is going to enjoy homework. Love the "boredom" factor, so realistic. Being bored with my homework can easily double the amount of time I spend on it, especially in the form of a nap. (Imagine your poor teen sim passing out and drooling all over his homework!)
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#3 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 12:42 AM
Sheesh! Twelve HOURS?! This is perfect! Now my lazy bums can really feel the true torture of homework. Looking forward to using it!

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#4 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 12:58 AM
I just love the sim pic you chose for present the mod. Hilarious.

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#5 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 1:21 AM
I added a table to the original post that shows how grades will vary by personality. It's possible for any sim to get an A+, but some of them really have to work to overcome their natural disinterest in school work.
Test Subject
#6 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:10 AM
You state that there are no known conflicts - but you make no mention of SyberSpunks long standing harder grades mod,3091.0.html - were you even aware it existed?

In any case this looks an interesting mod and (once I have tracked down an unrelated problem in my game) I might try it.

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#7 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:14 AM
Ohohohohoho.. The things I can do with this mod.. -Devilish laugh-
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#8 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:20 AM
Originally Posted by PrivateSim
You state that there are no known conflicts - but you make no mention of SyberSpunks long standing harder grades mod - were you even aware it existed?

Well, since I thank him at the bottom of my post, I'm thinking yes

However, I don't believe this conflicts. This makes the act of doing homework tougher, not the actual grade calculation. I believe syberspunk's mod affects only the grade itself.

My partial homework mod, on the other hand, would certainly conflict with his.
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#9 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:32 AM
This is fantastic! I love how you incorporated their aspiration with how fast they get bored and how fast they finish. Awesome job!

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#10 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:44 AM
If you want I can add the necessary code to it so it will calculate the Seasons bonuses.

Great hack BTW.

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#11 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 2:59 AM
Great mod! I love the picture, too...I often felt that way myself in the past. Amazing job, and original idea, Thanks.
#12 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 3:23 AM
Haha this is awesome! And that picture is hilarious.


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#13 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 10:07 AM
Ahh the sadism!! Wonderful!
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#14 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 11:26 AM
I just love the screenshot, Hahahaha!!

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#15 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 11:32 AM
*lol* Am I really the only one who doesn't feel like torturing their Sims? I think homework already takes them enough time :p.
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#16 Old 29th Apr 2007 at 4:43 PM
i like pandas, but this is good too. But it is not a panda
Test Subject
#17 Old 1st May 2007 at 6:59 PM
It's wonderfulllll!!! I've been looking for this hack for ages! But can you make it fully compatible with seasons?

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#18 Old 1st May 2007 at 10:41 PM
Smonaff sent me the resources to update it for Seasons. I glanced at the code and it looks pretty easy so I hope to have a Seasons compatible version up soon, possibly even today.

The current version probably works in Seasons, but lacks the bonus for the season and the juicer. That's what I'll be adding when I update this.
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#19 Old 3rd May 2007 at 6:18 AM
I wanted to draw attention to the conflict I added to the OP. This does not work with Homework Sometimes, either Jenflower's original or twojeff's updated version.

The Seasons version is in test and I hope to have it up soon.
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#20 Old 3rd May 2007 at 6:46 AM
I really like the idea and i'm too tired of these too easy grades
Actually i'm in the starting blocks to download the updated season version, 'cant wait to test!
I have one (maybe stupid) question: can it affect the university students? 'cause they would never end a semester with good grades or get their diplomas if it does (since they have to do an awfully big number of homeworks) *shrugs*
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#21 Old 3rd May 2007 at 11:17 PM
when the screen shot was just a thumbnail it looked like that sim had really gnarly eye bags, haha! Excellent work -- a nice way to add more realism to the game. I'll patiently wait for the Seasons version to come out.

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#22 Old 3rd May 2007 at 11:33 PM
Just uploaded the Seasons version. Thanks to Smonaff for getting me the resources I needed and testing it to be sure it didn't go kaboom, since I was programming blind.

Minimimi - no, this doesn't affect university homeworks.
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#23 Old 5th May 2007 at 1:12 AM
The season's update! Yipee!
Thanks for answering me Cyjon *reliefed*
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#24 Old 8th May 2007 at 11:48 PM
Nice! Thank you's very much!

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#25 Old 9th May 2007 at 1:27 AM
This is very nice - you have my thanks. :-) My only question is this: Have you given the boy in the picture a cookie yet? He seems pretty... distraught... ;-)

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