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Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 3:23 PM - Updated 15th Apr 2022 at 9:25 PM by Menaceman44 : Updated Conflict Info
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Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens and Young Adults uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

Conflicts


The mod will conflict with CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.
It will also conflict with Pointy Ears Unlocked - All Ages by Khitsune. If you use this, make sure to download the "PlusEarsUnlocker" version instead and place the file in an Override folder.
Also conflicts with CAS Mod: Presets Selection for Randomized Sims by SimplyAnjuta. Specifically the file for altering the body presets of Sims. The brows, beards, and skintone files are still safe to use.

March 12th 2021
In an attempt to address the issue where Teens will not get taller when aging to Young Adults for some players, I have recreated the mod with fresh tuning and now included the Young Adult modifier tunings with minor alterations as well.

26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

Type:
      Fixed: Fixed EA mistakes
      Other

You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Built with Game Version: 1.71.86.10
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 19,744 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 19,744 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip | Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset.

Size: 40.1 KB · Downloads: 27,412 · 12th Mar 2021
40.1 KB 27,412 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker.

Size: 39.9 KB · Downloads: 12,769 · 12th Mar 2021
39.9 KB 12,769 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 74,183 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 74,183 12th Mar 2021
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Mad Poster
Original Poster
#201 Old 21st Apr 2022 at 9:38 PM
I don't know how short the Sims are in that mod compared to these.
Personally, I would prefer not to add another, even shorter version. I took them as short as I could while keeping animation issues at a minimum as I have a certain standard that I want my mods to reach and releasing something with obvious animation issues falls below that standard.
Sorry. I hope you understand.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
#202 Old 21st May 2022 at 9:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
I don't know how short the Sims are in that mod compared to these.
Personally, I would prefer not to add another, even shorter version. I took them as short as I could while keeping animation issues at a minimum as I have a certain standard that I want my mods to reach and releasing something with obvious animation issues falls below that standard.
Sorry. I hope you understand.


Could you please make an even shorter version but with a disclaimer about the animation issues? So people who would like the shorter height but don't mind the animation issues can decide for themselves whether to download it or not. But I do understand not wanting your own work to fall below a certain standard though. But please consider that there are people who wouldn't mind this minor animation shortcoming at all. Pun slightly intended.
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#203 Old 21st May 2022 at 12:19 PM
I'm really sorry but I'm not going to create any shorter versions.
That's an extra version for me to have to maintain and update any time it's needed and I'm already terrible at updating my mods.
This isn't as simple as opening the file and changing the values either as just doing that corrupts it.

As a compromise I may write up a tutorial on how people can edit the files themselves, for personal use, if they wish.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
#204 Old 21st May 2022 at 4:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
I'm really sorry but I'm not going to create any shorter versions.
That's an extra version for me to have to maintain and update any time it's needed and I'm already terrible at updating my mods.
This isn't as simple as opening the file and changing the values either as just doing that corrupts it.

As a compromise I may write up a tutorial on how people can edit the files themselves, for personal use, if they wish.


That's completely understandable. And if you do end up providing a tutorial, it would be very much appreciated, so thank you!
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Mad Poster
Original Poster
#205 Old 15th Jun 2022 at 9:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Luisa's Bones
That's completely understandable. And if you do end up providing a tutorial, it would be very much appreciated, so thank you!

I've typed up some instructions that will allow somebody to tweak the height of this mod and it can be downloaded from my simfileshare account> http://www.simfileshare.net/download/3244396/
I don't think this will enable what you want to do though as the Shortest verson that I offer is already as small as the modifier was ever designed to go.
Basically, Luumia created the original modifier that actually changes the body size and the part I wrote tells the game to what percentage it should be applied.
Changing the percentage is the easier part and what these steps explain.
Changing the modifier is much more difficult and is not covered by these instructions.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#206 Old 17th Jun 2022 at 5:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SheepishNudist
Just reporting a conflict: this conflicts with SimplyAnjuta's "Presets Selection for Randomized Sims" mod, specifically SimplyAnjuta_CAS_PresetsSelection_for_RandomizedSims_BodyPresets_and_Tuning.package.

Thank you for the mod!


Oh you're a life saver I had no idea why this stopped working
Test Subject
#207 Old 18th Jun 2022 at 3:05 PM
Text comparisons are showing that EA’s made some changes made to the XMLs not reflected here; the one I’m noticing is yfheadNose_Narrow and yfheadNose_Wide changed in Client_CASModifierTuning_YoungAdult.
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#208 Old 18th Jun 2022 at 5:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SheepishNudist
Text comparisons are showing that EA’s made some changes made to the XMLs not reflected here; the one I’m noticing is yfheadNose_Narrow and yfheadNose_Wide changed in Client_CASModifierTuning_YoungAdult.

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to update that when I get chance.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#209 Old 30th Jun 2022 at 7:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to update that when I get chance.

You are a treasure. With new High school pack i'm so glad we have your amazing mode. I had a strange "they are too old" fillings after the trailer. Riverdale vibe.
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#210 Old 1st Jul 2022 at 1:04 AM
Your mod the number one must have it for me! I'm a bit sad after saw the new high school trailer the teens still too adult like just with "funny" clothes.. so yeah..I'm so glad you made this mod and we can have a proper teen experience with the new pack + this mod. Thank you!!
Field Researcher
#211 Old Today at 2:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
I've typed up some instructions that will allow somebody to tweak the height of this mod and it can be downloaded from my simfileshare account> http://www.simfileshare.net/download/3244396/
I don't think this will enable what you want to do though as the Shortest verson that I offer is already as small as the modifier was ever designed to go.
Basically, Luumia created the original modifier that actually changes the body size and the part I wrote tells the game to what percentage it should be applied.
Changing the percentage is the easier part and what these steps explain.
Changing the modifier is much more difficult and is not covered by these instructions.


I see! Thank you anyway!
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