MTS has all free content, all the time. Find out how YOU can help to keep it running. Tell me how...

[OUTDATED] Changing Lot size after building and/or playing (Archived)

by Andi8104 Posted 19th Jul 2006 at 4:03 PM - Updated 27th Nov 2013 at 10:20 PM by Nysha
363 Comments / replies (Who?) - 25 Feedback Posts
EDIT (by MTS2 Staff)
Unfortunately, as some of you already know, Andi8104 has prematurely deceased, and therefore the LotExpander is no more supported by him.
Luckily, some skillful users, Sorcerer and Mootilda, decided to continue developing this project.

The last (outdated) version released by Andi it attached to this post, and works with any game up to OFB included.

The current "latest version" is the Lot Expander by Mootilda; read the additional info and game compatibility at Mootilda's thread.

In any case keep in mind that the Lot Expander (any version) can break your lots, and damage you neighborhoods; therefore, if you don't make a backup of your neighborhood and suffer damages due to a (mis)usage of the Lot Expander, don't blame anyone but yourself


--------------------------------------------------------
(Original post by Andi8104)

First of all: sorry for my bad English. And at all the developers of you: sorry for the terrible coding.

Release 1.2.1:

A few bug fixes for the 'over the road' option.
E.g. the problem with the portals reported by Numenor is fixed.


Release 1.2:

Some bugs are fixed:

The problem with the 'flying' roofs, reported by TheCoffeeBear is solved now.

Sometimes there where some locked tiles on extended lots, so you can't build on it. This is fixed now.

Sometimes your Sims was buried or stick into walls after enlarging. This problem is not really fixed (The OBJT resources of the Sims are too complex for me, I think), but it is now easier to solve it. Just break up the actually action of such Sims and wait a few seconds. Now they were normally playable.

New Features:

You'll find a new Checkbox:

Checking it will bring you the following message, witch explains the functionality:


Now you also can choose the Next button without changing a value:



Release 1.1:
Now you can choose the direction of enlarging the lot.


Release 1.0:
I've written a little program to enlarge lots after building/playing:

LotExpander

It allows you to expand lots up to size 6 x 6 with a few mouse clicks (see pictures below). You can change both, Width and Height, in one Cycle. LotExpander offers English and German language GUI. You do no longer need SimPE or my Word macro for enlarging Lot. The problem described in post #8 is solved.

You need Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 to run LotExpander!

The program is using some DLLs from SimPE (included in Setup).
Big thanks for Quaxi for this and his whole work for the community!

LotExpander is released under GPL
You also can get the source code here.

Small Lots:
In attachment of this Post you'll find a complete set of Nx1 residential lots (N = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).
These Lots are created with base game, so they will work with or without any EP.
If you are interested on Nx1 community lots, have a look at this post from MaryLou: #100
Moreover, there are some 1xN residential lots by Nightguy82 at Post #339
Now everyone can create lots of his/her wish size with LotExpander.
Operating System: Windows
Utility Type: Save Editors
Plugin Type: Not Applicable

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 2
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
LotExpanderSource 1.2.1.zip

Size: 56.6 KB · Downloads: 8,047 · 29th Aug 2006
56.6 KB 8,047 29th Aug 2006
LotExpanderSetup 1.2.1.zip

Size: 625.3 KB · Downloads: 13,129 · 29th Aug 2006
625.3 KB 13,129 29th Aug 2006
X_x_1.rar

Size: 534.3 KB · Downloads: 8,675 · 24th Aug 2006
534.3 KB 8,675 24th Aug 2006
Don't forget to Thank the creator after downloading! Use the Thanks button located above the screenshots above.
Basic Download and Install Instructions:

1. Download: Click the download link to save the .rar or .zip file(s) to your computer.

2. Extract the zip, rar, or 7z file.

3. Place in Downloads Folder: Cut and paste the .package file(s) into your Downloads folder:
  • Origin (Ultimate Collection): Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims™ 2 Ultimate Collection\Downloads\
  • Non-Origin, Windows Vista/7/8/10: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads\
  • Non-Origin, Windows XP: Documents and Settings\(Current User Account)\My Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads\
  • Mac: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads
  • Mac x64: /Library/Containers/com.aspyr.sims2.appstore/Data/Library/Application Support/Aspyr/The Sims 2/Downloads
Need more information?
 
Closed Thread Locked by: Reason: Go to: http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=175884
363 Comments / Replies (Who?) - 362 Feedback Posts
Page 5 of 15
The ModFather
retired moderator
#101 Old 24th Aug 2006 at 10:08 PM Last edited by Numenor : 24th Aug 2006 at 10:14 PM.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi8104
So i can' t PM you, I'm finished to clean up my attachments.


Silly me...
Both your and MaryLou's attachments have been approved

EDIT:
P.S.: Sonner or later you have to explain us how you could create a 1x1 lot, in the first place...
And if you feel inclined to write an article about the structure of a lot package (even if not complete), I will be glad to assist you with the language and to post it in the InfoCenter.

I've finally started my Journal. Information only, no questions.

My latest activity: CEP 9.2.0! - AnyGameStarter 2.1.1 (UPD) - Scriptorium v.2.2f - Photo & Plaques hide with walls - Magazine Rack (UPD) - Animated Windows Hack (UPD) - Custom Instrument Hack (UPD) - Drivable Cars Without Nightlife (UPD) - Courtesy Lights (FIX) - Custom Fence-Arches - Painting-TV - Smarter Lights (UPD)


I *DON'T* accept requests, sorry.
Test Subject
Original Poster
#102 Old 24th Aug 2006 at 10:13 PM Last edited by Andi8104 : 25th Aug 2006 at 12:06 AM.
MaryLou
Nice work.
I've linked your post in the first post.

Numenor
Thanks!
Test Subject
Original Poster
#103 Old 24th Aug 2006 at 10:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor
Sonner or later you have to explain us how you could create a 1x1 lot, in the first place...
And if you feel inclined to write an article about the structure of a lot package (even if not complete), I will be glad to assist you with the language and to post it in the InfoCenter.

Ok, this weekend there is no time for this, but I'll try to explain it next week.
Lab Assistant
#104 Old 24th Aug 2006 at 11:57 PM
Quote:
Well, as some requests, I made a new size for community-lots with "custom icon" . These are "really" community lots, not converted from residential, and they are created in the base game so they are compatible with any EP.


Thank you very very much Mary Lou.
Test Subject
#105 Old 26th Aug 2006 at 8:37 PM
Well I have updated the downloads on my site,
although they are still availble in my downloads section i have added them to my forum.

That way it will be easier to update and keep up with the main thread.
Also let me know if anyone has problems downloading,

This should help with the bandwidth problem here a little.

Also Andi, If you want to Join, I will make you moderator of that thread, If not I will keep up, you could also email me your files.
If you email me, I should have them posted without too much a delay, If you join you can post them yourself. It's up to you.

TheCoffeeBear AT gmail DOT com

Keep up the GOOD WORK, Andi, I love your program.

Finially things are getting setup.
eMail me [email protected]
or visit RepublicOfTheSims.com or SimsSecretSociety.com for my upcoming line of stuff.
Test Subject
Original Poster
#106 Old 27th Aug 2006 at 6:31 PM
Default How do I create a 1x1 lot?
First of all: In the following I'm using for sizes the values in the same line as all the resources of the lot do. That means you have to add 1 (respectively 10) for the road to get the used size values. E.g. a 1x1 lot in effect is a 1x2 lot or for a 2x2 lot the game uses the size values 2x3.

As in fact I'm using an early version of my LotExpander with reverse functionality to do the necessary changes, the following describes the basics of this program too.

I'm starting the first time with an empty 3x2 lot in the standard orientation. That means without rotating it while placing. So the values of 'Orientation' and 'U11' are both '0' (see below). With moveobjects I'm moving mailbox and trashcan to the right, because this early version of LotExpander don't move objects if necessary.

Ok, let's start modding.
There are 2 packages to manipulate it: the neighbourhood package and the lot package.

Neighbourhood package

Open the neighbourhood with SimPE and have a look at Plugin view of 'Lot Description' resource from the interested lot. There are 3 values relevant for us: 'Width', 'Height' and 'U11'. 'U11' is used by game to store the orientation the lot is loading the first time. We need this value to interpret the coordinate systems of all the lot resources. For 'Lot Description' it defines the meaning of the fields 'Width' and 'Height'. If you are looking from street side and the value of 'U11' is '0' or '2', the field 'Width' shows us the height and 'Height' the width of the lot. If the value of 'U11' is '1' or '3', the two fields show us what their names say. (Don't change the value of 'U11', because that confuses the game and you'll get a terrible hole in your neighbourhood.)
So we have to change the value of 'Height' from '3' to '1'.
That's it in neighbourhood package.

Lot package

In lot package there are multiple resources to change. But because the lot is empty the most changes are easy.

First we delete the 'Texture Image' resources (1C4A276C). The game will create new ones if we do a structural change.

There are some resources where we have only to change the values for the new size:

'World Database' (49FF7D76): Width (Offset 93) value = X * 10 - 1, Height (Offset 97) value = Y * 10 - 1

'Lot' (6C589723): Width (Offset 66) value = X, Height (Offset 70) value = Y

'Wall Graph' (0A284D0B): Width (Offset 95) value = X * 10 + 1, Height (Offset 99) value = Y * 10 + 1

'Lot Texture Map' (4B58975B): Width (Offset 72) value = X * 10, Height (Offset 76) value = Y * 10

The changes in following resources are a little bit more complex.

'2D Array' (6B943B43):
Width (Offset 81) value = X * 40 + 1, Height (Offset 85) value = X * 40 + 1
All instances of this resource, except '3B76', stores 16 values of byte per tile (4 * 4).
Because we change the Height from 3 to 1 we just have to cut the file about 2 * (3 – 1) * 40 bytes (X * difY * 40). Changing width would be a little bit more complex because you have to do it line-by-line.

Instance '3B76'
Width (Offset 81) value = X * 10 + 1, Height (Offset 85) value = X * 10 + 1
This is store one float value per tile.
So we have to cut it the same length as the other instances.

'3D Array' (2A51171B)
Width (Offset 81) value = X * 10, Height (Offset 85) value = X * 10
The instances of this resource stores Data with individual length per tile and layer. Because our lot is empty there is only one layer and so the changes are not as complex as on lots with buildings.
We have to delete (3 – 1) * 10 * <Length of Data> line-by-line along the width.
The length of Data (in byte) for the individual instances is shown in following list.
'00': 6
'01': 4
'03': 1
'09': 8
'0A': 8
'0B': 8
'0C': 4
'14': 16
'15': 4
'1B': 8

Portals
Now we finally have to move some of the 'portal- objects'. Different to other objects the positions of the portals depends only from values in XOBJ (584F424A) resources. On empty lots (and each other except some from Maxis) the instances of this resource for portals are '03' up to '08'.
The position is stored in two float values (X, Y):
Y with offset 80
X with offset 84
We have to subtract from Y-values greater 10 : (3 – 1) * 10

That's it!


I hope someone can understand my gibberish.
Mad Poster
#107 Old 27th Aug 2006 at 6:50 PM
thank you Andy, I am happy to know that somebody can do it !
If I must do it? ..I'll be back in few months...when I could do it !
thousands of thanks again !

You know a site allowing re-upload of free build/buy stuff in lots ? Help us to update the list !

* Plus j'échoue plus je m'approche de la réussite
* The more I fail the more I approach the success

(Lao patul MMVI AD)
Mad Poster
#108 Old 27th Aug 2006 at 9:40 PM
Andi8104,

a series of lots of thanks... danke.... merci....!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi8104
...
Neighbourhood package

Open the neighbourhood with SimPE and have a look at Plugin view of 'Lot Description' resource from the interested lot. There are 3 values relevant for us: 'Width', 'Height' and 'U11'. 'U11' is used by game to store the orientation the lot is loading the first time. We need this value to interpret the coordinate systems of all the lot resources. For 'Lot Description' it defines the meaning of the fields 'Width' and 'Height'. If you are looking from street side and the value of 'U11' is '0' or '2', the field 'Width' shows us the height and 'Height' the width of the lot. If the value of 'U11' is '1' or '3', the two fields show us what their names say. (Don't change the value of 'U11', because that confuses the game and you'll get a terrible hole in your neighbourhood.)
So we have to change the value of 'Height' from '3' to '1'.
That's it in neighbourhood package.
....


NOW, I want a neighbourhood with small blocks in various sizes with only 1 lot at a time surrounded by the roads... Say, H x W (where H = W = 1 -6)... The best is for all the cases...! Then, something may happen, right? :D
Test Subject
Original Poster
#109 Old 27th Aug 2006 at 10:34 PM
Thank you both.

Quote:
Originally Posted by niol
NOW, I want a neighbourhood with small blocks in various sizes with only 1 lot at a time surrounded by the roads... Say, H x W (where H = W = 1 -6)... The best is for all the cases...! Then, something may happen, right? :D

Hmm…
Why not? Have a look at the lot '55 Woodland Drive' from Brandi Broke in Pleasentview.
If you jack it up, you'll see there are two roads to border if you'll place it.
You can define this with the value of 'U10' in 'Lot Description':
'01': above
'02': right side
'04': below
'08': left side
looking from default direction, witch you get if you'll place a new empty lot.
You can combine by add the values…
Test Subject
#110 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 1:55 AM
Andi,

Is there any chance that this tutorial you just gave, could in turn change the road back to it default location.

I have successfully created My Swimable Sea, But when I used 1.1 to make the lot, my road is in the middle of my SEA. LOL

The First two pictures, Show what is now the ROAD... In these pictures I use the leveling tool to lower the land. I picked these for here, to clearly show the road...





Ok, I know this is not the best picture, Grrrr.. But as you can see... The road is not where it shoud be... Sadly. **Only wished I would have had 1.2 at time I made this lot.**




Ok, So is there any way using SimPE or otherwise I can return the ROAD to where it belongs... and since the road is a 'T' would that make any more of a problem.

Quote:
Portals
Now we finally have to move some of the 'portal- objects'. Different to other objects the positions of the portals depends only from values in XOBJ (584F424A) resources. On empty lots (and each other except some from Maxis) the instances of this resource for portals are '03' up to '08'.
The position is stored in two float values (X, Y):
Y with offset 80
X with offset 84
We have to subtract from Y-values greater 10 : (3 – 1) * 10


On empty lots (and each other except some from Maxis)

My Lot is not empty...
Problem ???

And using, these formulas how would you really know where the road portals are suppose to be, cept maybe starting at
X offset 0 and
Y offset 0

loading the game and seeing where it is,
then again changing it in intervals till you get it where it needs to be???

Am I asking too many Questions ??
Please help if you can... If not maybe I just need to start over... Grrr and LOL.
Thanks Andi

Finially things are getting setup.
eMail me [email protected]
or visit RepublicOfTheSims.com or SimsSecretSociety.com for my upcoming line of stuff.
Test Subject
Original Poster
#111 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 9:33 AM Last edited by Andi8104 : 28th Aug 2006 at 12:25 PM.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCoffeeBear
Ok, So is there any way using SimPE or otherwise I can return the ROAD to where it belongs... and since the road is a 'T' would that make any more of a problem.

Hmm…
Maybe you can do that, if you are familiar with changing values in Hex-view from SimPE. But I can't give you a complete instruction, because there are many things in the resources that I haven't decrypted.

As I remember right, the floors are stored in Instance '00' of '3D Array' resource. But I don't know which values you have to store for roads.
BTW: The offsets in my post above are not offsets for the values itself but describes the position in the files. Have a look at MTS2 Sims2Wiki:
http://www.sims2wiki.info

A great problem is that each resource of the lot uses his own coordinate system (shame Maxis for this). So for each resource we have to identify how to interpret the values. Also it depends from the value of 'U11' in 'Lot Description'.
For example the following graphic shows it for 'XOBJ' resource:


I don't know if this would help you, but I can't explain it better.
Sorry!
Field Researcher
#112 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi8104
How do I create a 1x1 lot?
Ok, let's start modding.
---cut-----


Thank you very very much !!!
Great explanation.

If you like my creations, you may consider to make a little donation to support my site and my modding activity.
MaryLou's Sims 2 World - MaryLou Sims 2 Forum (Italiano)
One horse disagreer of the Apocalypse
#113 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 11:54 AM
I'd like to know how to make lot templates, and can they be sloping and still be a template?
Test Subject
#114 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 3:50 PM
Well I trashed that lot, and placed a New 5x6 lot in which solved the problem for this lot.

Worked great cause I got some great screenshots to post my tutorial,

But anyway, If I can fiqure out how to accomplish the changing of roads, I still would be interested.

I have worked many times with HEX, Just not in the sims. I have modifeied the Dos Command Interpretor among other programs this way.

You still have to know what you are looking for and the values.

What I will have to do, Is make a lot, and use your tutorial here on it, and get familair with the Values, and Maxis defaults, and stuff.

This could come in handy.

Now, If you either "accidentally" or "urposly" change the road token values to another location, can you upload them for others to use, or would this cause a problem wth there game, would it even clean install?

Has anyone successfully hacked the values of the driveway to allow more customization. The reason I ask this is with some of the road bugs in 1.1, The right hacked drivway peice could be a great inmprovment.

And it bugs me that in the Sims Everything is SQUARE. In our world, alot of it is, But there are some great stuff that aint so square.

Anyway enough for now...

~peace
~SirCoffeeBear

Finially things are getting setup.
eMail me [email protected]
or visit RepublicOfTheSims.com or SimsSecretSociety.com for my upcoming line of stuff.
Test Subject
#115 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 4:04 PM
you know what I was just thinking, In Sims 1, The road was a "hidden Token" the reason I say this, is althoguh I was not interested in the item, there was a download to make carpool go somewhere else, rather than o the road. Now this token did not move the road, I rember then saying that. Besides all this,

What are the chances that MAXIS has a "Hidden Token" for the "CARPOOL"
You would be the quickest to know this, as you have been modifing, these values to create your program.

We know the mailbox, and Trashcan are tokens in such, And if you look at my last screenshot above, The "UFO" still knew where the road was even if the Cars, sims, and stuff thoght it was located in the back.

I am pulling at strings here, But if the UFO, knew where the front of the lot was, and that the road was really suppose to be there, would that not create the ability to simply correct the road offset,
Or vice versa, mess up those that Deliberatly change the road values.

So one of the people here create there perfect home, with the road in the middle of the lot, and everything goes well, then some of the stuff will be still off. The UFO for say would be choosing a "NON ROAD" spot to spit your sim back onto... Actually this could be neat anyway, 'cept if it spits the sim in the middle of a building or such.

Enough rambling, (LOL) But if there are hidden token, to make them movable would be easier for the common player, than HACKING the HEX values. And again maybe that is the easiest way.

I need to get more up on sims 2 codeing, Grrr.

~peace and thanks

Finially things are getting setup.
eMail me [email protected]
or visit RepublicOfTheSims.com or SimsSecretSociety.com for my upcoming line of stuff.
Test Subject
Original Poster
#116 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 4:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inge Jones
I'd like to know how to make lot templates, and can they be sloping and still be a template?

Me too.


TheCoffeeBeer

So far I know there's no explicit "Hidden Token" for the road. But it's an assembly of floors, textures and some Portal-Objects.
These objects are:

Portal-Pedestrian
Portal-Car-Start
Portal-Car-Stop
Portal-Car-Service-Start
Portal-Car-Service-Stop

You can change the position of these objects in XOBJ-resources with instances 03-08, as I described in post above.
My program do nothing otherwise with roads.
Mad Poster
#117 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 6:42 PM
So, arethe terrain tiles and floor tile involved in the portal functioning pathway?
Test Subject
Original Poster
#118 Old 28th Aug 2006 at 6:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niol
So, arethe terrain tiles and floor tile involved in the portal functioning pathway?

No, I don't think so.
There are stored in other resources (3D Array and 2D Array).
The program move them like normal floors and terrains.
Mad Poster
#119 Old 29th Aug 2006 at 1:54 PM Last edited by niol : 29th Aug 2006 at 7:29 PM.
I just can't find the lot file, is it one of the unknown file?

Is that file more specific to NL and post-NL lots? I'm using the bae game copy...


Addd: after the following post:

Thanks, merci, & danke...

I'm still lot-modding noob...
Test Subject
Original Poster
#120 Old 29th Aug 2006 at 2:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niol
I just can't find the lot file, is it one of the unknown file?


In SimPE resource tree the 'Lot'-file is shown as 'UNK: 0x6C589723'
Test Subject
Original Poster
#121 Old 29th Aug 2006 at 11:00 PM Last edited by Andi8104 : 30th Aug 2006 at 12:12 AM.
There's a new Version of LotExpander: 1.2.1

The "can't wait for approval link": http://rapidshare.de/files/31238935..._1.2.1.zip.html

It comes with a few bug fixes for the 'over the road' option.
E.g. I solved the problem with the portals reported by Numenor.

The other problem with the driveway Numenor described in this Post, can't fix by me. I think there is something hardcoded in game averting it.

But here is a workaround to place some driveway(-extensions) on the other side of the road:

You have to unlock the sidewalk floor pattern as described here

With the Cheat "moveobjects on" you place this sidewalk pattern on the 2 Tiles shown in following picture:


So now you can place driveway extensions on your lot.


If you are finish you can delete the sidewalk patterns.
Lab Assistant
#122 Old 30th Aug 2006 at 3:18 AM
This is truly a great program... now I need Lot SHRINKER!! I blew up Ajay Loner's Strangetown lot so hugely (and proceeded to play his home business quite a while) that I'm LOST on the lot! LOL!!

Good luck as you continue to further develop this great tool.

~*~*~*~ Proud supporter of MTS2 ~*~*~*~
Test Subject
Original Poster
#123 Old 30th Aug 2006 at 7:47 AM
chaisipper

So you are not the first, who asking for shrinking lots, I'll working for it.
Maybe it's a feature in next release.
Lab Assistant
#124 Old 1st Sep 2006 at 11:51 PM
The Shrinking Lot option will be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you!!

~*~*~*~ Proud supporter of MTS2 ~*~*~*~
Scholar
#125 Old 2nd Sep 2006 at 1:32 PM
just found this tool and is much appreciated will play later after i get back from work...i do hate it when i find something new to play with and work interferes

a Lot Shrinker would be fantastic i must agree
Closed Thread
Page 5 of 15