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Fourth-Wall Options

by maybesomethingdunno Posted 18th Jan 2008 at 4:46 AM - Updated 13th Jan 2012 at 3:29 AM by maybesomethingdunno : added keywords (Thanks, Cat! :) )
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Updated - Experimental version added (below "Known Issues")

While I was wandering through the semi-globals. I came across this and, since I have not seen a mod for this, decided to turn into a mod. So, let me know if this exists somewhere.

You may have noticed that every so often your Sim looks up at you. I have read how this creeps some people out. For me, it is just a bother when I am setting up a scene and forget to use some posing hack to make the Sim keep a neutral pose.

Sometimes, you may want your Sim (or several Sims in my case) to look up, but must wait for them to do it on their own.

Here is where I hope to help.

1. "" is a simple global mod (hack) that changes the "CT - Look At Camera" BHAV so that the Sim is never actually told to look at the camera/player.
(Note: This is just that random glance at the player. There are more hacks for those other situations when the Sim looks at you. See below.)

2. "" is a self-interaction that makes the selected Sim (child through elder) look at the player on command.
(See Known Issues below.)

You may be asking yourself, "can I download both?" Continue reading...

From my tests, there is no conflict between these two mods. I have tested this in a base game environment as well as with all my EP's installed. I do not have all EP's or Stuff Packs, so I am putting this in "Testing".

Please let me know if there are any problems with this download.

Known issues:
There is limited range or field in which this mod will work. In other words, the Sim will not turn its head in a weird angle or all the way ("Exorcist"-style) to look at you. It may do so for other things in other situations, but in my testing this never happened to me. But, I do not turn many heads, anyway...

As with all global mods, there may be a chance that it may get packaged in with your lots. Future code changes may affect this mod. If you wish to uninstall this, you may simply delete it from your Downloads folder. If you delete this mod and consequently get the appearance of a "Debug Super Duper Hug" interaction, try [Black_Spirit]'s fix, the "LBFRemovesocial" file, to get rid of it. (His "Deadly Neck Bite - Killer Vampires" interaction is not necessary to resolve the issue, just the aforementioned file.)

Update: Experimental Version (testers and/or experts wanted)
In searching the personality semi-globals for the "Why me?" look, I came across two BHAVs: "CT - Dec Times Used" and "CT - Inc Times Used" that instructed the Sim to look at the camera.

When looking in the "objects.package" file for the group number and all that I needed to make this version of the global mod, I found another "CT - Dec Times Used" BHAV that also told the Sim to look at the camera. I decided to edit both of them, so there are a total of three BHAVs changed with this experimental version.

I do not claim to be an expert on these BHAVs! I saw where it seemed to calculated the reactions (e.g. "why me?"), but I can not examine BHAVs with Numenorean expertise. I neither know where the second "CT - Dec Times Used" BHAV comes from nor when or if it is used at all. Whenever or if ever these BHAVs are use, the Sim should not look at the camera with this mod installed.

Now, in my testing, this only kept the Sim from turning and looking at the player. The Sim still got excited or groaned about the task that it was ordered to do; it just did not direct it blatantly at me. Now, one Sim did turn its head slightly upward when it complained, but was not looking at me (it actually looked away from me). So, depending on your camera angle, there may be some times when it seems like the Sim is looking at you, but it isn't really.

Please let me know if there are any problems. If anyone can enlighten me about these BHAVS, by all means do so!

1) The attached picture was made by pausing the game, selecting the self-interaction on each Sim, pressing un-pause, and pausing the game again once the Sims had looked up. Then I moved the camera around; you can use this to create a scene of Sims looking up at the sky. (I also threw the picture into my trusty graphics editor for the color effect.)

2) I called this "Fourth-Wall" since the Sim-player interaction is said to "break through the fourth wall".

3) For those interested, check out the "lesswhiny", "dontwaveatme", and the "noroutefail" hacks at MATY for more "fourth-wall"-type hacks.

Additional Credits:
Special Thanks to Echo, who probably pulled out all her hair in frustration trying to teach me how to make a self-interaction, and any and all the other MTS2-ers who have helped me get to this level of modding.

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You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

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Basic Download and Install Instructions:

1. Download: Click the download link to save the .rar or .zip file(s) to your computer.

2. Extract the zip, rar, or 7z file.

3. Place in Downloads Folder: Cut and paste the .package file(s) into your Downloads folder:
  • Origin (Ultimate Collection): Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims™ 2 Ultimate Collection\Downloads\
  • Non-Origin, Windows Vista/7/8/10: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads\
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  • Mac: Users\(Current User Account)\Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2\Downloads
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#2 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 5:14 AM
you got to be kidding me...*hears a wall beark and hits downloade*

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#3 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 5:27 AM
Thankyou! i remember getting so frustrated waiting for my stupid sims to look at me!

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#4 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 5:31 AM
Brilliant! Only Deadpool should be allowed to break the fourth wall.
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#5 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 7:39 AM
Awesome! I don't like being stared at, especially by things that shouldn't even be aware of my presence. Does this also stop them complaining or cheering at you when you direct them to do certain things?

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#6 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 7:32 AM
What's a fourth wall?

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#7 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 7:45 AM
Force_E_Vorenia - "Fourth Wall" on Wikipedia - basically, the fourth wall is the audience, and in most theatrical productions, the actors should never show that they know the audience is there. Sims noticing the player is a game-type translation of this term...

maybesomethingdunno - Great idea, and cute name - I -love- the "look at me now!" version as I always have to sit there and wait for them to do so when taking pics for upload (they look so darn disinterested otherwise!) so that's totally useful. Thanks!

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#8 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 8:38 AM
Cool idea! Thanks,
#9 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 9:11 AM
Thank you, I love the camera-look (which seems was used the first time by Oliver Hardy & Stan Laurel, then it became one of their peculiar moments and put it in every movie) it gives the idea that there's a real interaction with the damned little sims hehe
Thanks again and ciao.
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#10 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 9:57 AM

Its so frustrating when your trying to set up a scene, only for one of your Sims to turn and wave at you!!

Thanks For This Great Hack

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#11 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 10:56 AM
This hack is SO useful, for movie makers and storytellers who want their sims to look somewhere, for movie makers and storytellers who don't want their sims to look at them, for people who are scared, for people who enjoy... I never even thought of that, genius idea!
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#12 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 11:29 AM
I'm loving this already! I can't wait to try this out. I hate waiting for sims to look at me. (...sometimes it takes longer than when my game loads... and that's a good while.) Thanks a lot for sharing this! :D

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#13 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 12:03 PM
This is great. Sometimes the fourth wall NEEDS to be there. Thank you!
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#14 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 1:57 PM
This is fantastic! I was going nuts during one of my photoshoots for a contest, when my sim kept looking at me.
Simply marvelous, thank you
Lab Assistant
#15 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 2:56 PM
Yay that's it! No more waiting and goodiegoodieing around until someone eventually might decide to risk looking in my direction.. try to have two of them doing it at the same time and you've already lost. Those little freaks xDD
Really this is cool. I wanna hug you for creating it. *hug* ^^
Thank you!!
#16 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 4:08 PM
Great, thanks a lot. This is so useful for me
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#17 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 5:36 PM
What a great idea! This is going to be so useful. Thank you!

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#18 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 7:48 PM

I downloaded "Look at Me Now" and put it in my game. Unfortunately this does not work at all. When i click on the sim and select "Look at Player", nothing happens. I have all EPs and SPs. Please help. I really need this for storytelling.

I love realism in my game. But not to the point where it looks ugly.
#19 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 9:42 PM
A great title, MSD! The Sims in your screen shot look like they are about to experience a "Close Encounter of the Third Kind"! :D

I can see the usefulness of both mods. Personally I like the Sims spontaneously breaking the fourth-wall during regular game play. Likely I will be using LookAtMeNOW for screenshots from time to time. Thank you!
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#20 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 9:43 PM
Wow, thanks everyone.

Hi. Have you read the "Known issues"? There is a range of certain camera angles in which this works. The Sim will not snap his or her neck to look at the camera. Unless desired, I could include the BHAV that turns the Sim's body towards the camera; however, this may ruin any poses that the player may have set up.

No, it does not address the "why me?" or "HOLY COW! Yes, I would love to clean the filthy public toilet that is so dirty it has green fumes coming off of it" animations. I am adding an experimental version that seems to address this issue (at least in part).

I don't mind if you call me "MSD" or something for short.
Perhaps someday I'll have leisure time back...
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#21 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 10:07 PM
Thanks for this! It is a bit annoying when they want to eat or pee or whatever and look at me waving, when they're in free will mode. Maybe this will stop it.
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#22 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 10:14 PM Last edited by maybesomethingdunno : 18th Jan 2008 at 10:23 PM.
JeffL1965, that is a problem addressed in one of the hacks at MATY (link in my original post).

Added: I believe it is the "dontwaveatme" hack.

I don't mind if you call me "MSD" or something for short.
Perhaps someday I'll have leisure time back...
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#23 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 10:39 PM
thanks MSD. I tested it for a bit and noticed that it wasn't compatible with most of my other hacks. when i corrected that i noticed that it did work, but with many limitations. nevertheless, this is incredibly helpful once you get the hang of how it works. Thank you so much for your effort!

PS: Is it possible to make a version of this that makes the sim look at a particular sim? For instance, make Betty look at Veronica? instead of making Betty look at me?

I love realism in my game. But not to the point where it looks ugly.
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#24 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 10:53 PM Last edited by maybesomethingdunno : 18th Jan 2008 at 11:04 PM.
Glad to hear you got everything sorted out, louisacoletta. I am curious, may I ask what hacks this conflicts with?

As for your request, I am afraid I cannot make any promises. I did see where a Sim could be instructed to look at things other than the camera, but I just do not have the time right now to try to explore the capabilities of the "Look at" BHAV. I encourage others to do so though.

I'm about to leave and be gone for a good while, but I will check in later or sometime tomorrow to see if there are any problems.

Thanks again, everyone.

I don't mind if you call me "MSD" or something for short.
Perhaps someday I'll have leisure time back...
#25 Old 19th Jan 2008 at 1:42 AM
Thanks for this, I can really use this

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