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Nectar Combinatorics

by Buzzler Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 12:42 AM - Updated 15th Mar 2014 at 12:12 PM by Buzzler
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updates
2014-03-15 - Compatible with game version 1.67. No changes.


compatibility
Supported for game version 1.67. Should work with game versions from 1.31 upwards, though.

scope
Let's talk a little combinatorics. Nectar consists of 10 fruits and the order doesn't matter. If you have 10 fruits, there's obviously only one possible combination. If you have 11 fruits, you already have 11 combinations. You're already up to over 3,000 combinations with 15 fruits and over 180,000 combinations with 20 fruits. If you have 100 fruits, even a computer will have trouble to calculate the number of possible combinations while calculators will simply show you the finger. This is what eggheads mean when they talk about "combinatorical explosion".

Beside the ingredient quality and the nectar value, TS3 uses a hash algorithm to determine the quality of a nectar recipe. Such a thing cannot be optimized in the least. There's no way to make conclusions from one combination to a slightly different combination. So, here we are with an inventory full of ingredients and are apparently supposed to try out fantastillions of combinations to find the good ones.

I don't think that's reasonable. This mod will make it so much easier to find good combinations and use up "leftover" fruits without wasting them.

usage
Once you successfully installed this mod, two interactions will be added to all nectar makers. Only one of these interactions will be available at a time depending on whether the active sim has completed the Mix Master challenge.

-Try Random Fruit Combination
This is basically an interaction to complete the Mix Master challenge in the first place. You don't have to add the fruits manually and the code actually builds 10 random recipes and uses the best one. That way the outcome will usually be at least all right.

- Add Good Fruit Combination
When your sim has completed the Mix Master challenge, things get a lot smarter. Instead of 10 combinations, 2,000 combinations will be built and scored. Also the building process is smarter in the first place. The best found combination will then be compared to the best combinations your sim already made as far as they can be made from the given fruits. The best of these combinations will then be added to the nectar maker.

As mentioned above, it's not really feasible to find THE best combination for your stock of fruits. The code can build and score about 20,000 combinations per second on my rig. You can deduce from there what time it takes to calculate trillions+ of combinations.

BTW: The above mentioned 2,000 permutations are not set in stone. That value is tunable and you can change it by accessing the XML resource in the package with S3PE. If you don't know how to do that and are unable to find out how to do that, then this is not for you.

translation
This mod is fully localizable. If you are willing to support a translation, please read the instructions.
Currently supported languages: English, German, French, Spanish, Mexican, Brazilian, Portuguese, Dutch, Polish, Finnish, Czech


possible conflicts
This is a scripting mod and as such the possibility for conflicts with other mods, no matter what kind, is next to non-existant. I can't think of any kind of mod which could possibly interfere with this mod.

support
Please respect that I support my mods but not mods or even custom content in general, not in my upload threads anyway and certainly not if you ask me by PM. I will always try to find and squish bugs, therefore I appreciate bug reports. If one of my mods isn't working for you, please at least try to ensure that it's a failure of my mod before you ask for help. I am a compassionate guy, but please understand that I can only muster so much endurance to address issues completely unrelated to my mods.

installation
Please follow the regular installation routine for packages. You will find an excellent wiki article if you click on the Installation Instructions tab and follow the link. I can't explain it any better than that.

The interactions will only show up for nectar makers that already existed when you loaded the game or 'hood. Think about it for a second: You can only buy nectar makers in France, so when you travel home, they will already be there. If you are a lame old cheater who gets his/her nectar makers using the buydebug cheat, then you'll have to save and reload your game. Sucks to be you.

The interactions don't show up whatsoever? Sorry to tell you that, but you probably did not follow the installation instructions.

deinstallation
Before you remove this mod, please make sure that no sim is currently using one of the interactions. If you don't do so, you may be unable to load your savegame. Since these interactions take only a short time to complete, this is probably a non-issue, though.

credits
Thanks to Sims MX, EminenceFront, Shykary, GTNS, x Emms, mysecka, NTonks11, HHP and Mar_ienka for translating.

disclaimer
Might lead to a serious case of squished brain. Your game should be safe, though.
Tags: #nectar

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You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 3 World Adventures
Built with Game Version: 6.2
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
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FruitCombinationStrings_ENG_US.zip | For translators only! - source text file of the used strings

Size: 418 Bytes · Downloads: 2,795 · 7th Aug 2010
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Buzz_NectarCombinatorics.zip

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Lab Assistant
#2 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 2:12 AM
Thank you very much; this is just what I need.
Instructor
#3 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 2:25 AM
Thanks for this mod.

I've included translated strings for Spanish. They'll work for both Spanish and Mexican Spanish.
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: txt FruitCombinationStrings_SPA_ES.txt (616 Bytes, 27 downloads)
Description: Spanish Strings.
Test Subject
#4 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 3:37 AM
Default French Translation
Very useful. Thanks a bunch!

I translated the strings to French. "Compatible", if you will, with Québequois French and France French.
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: txt FruitCombinationStrings_FRE_FR.txt (1.2 KB, 27 downloads)
Description: Ah oui, c'est en Français!
Eminence Grise
#5 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 3:56 AM
Wow

I'd kind of given up trying for the Nectar Cellar LTW, because it was too tedious... this inspires me to try again
Test Subject
#6 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 5:52 AM
This is so smart it's making my head spin. Thank you!
1978 gallons of pancake batter
Original Poster
#7 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 9:56 AM
@Sims MX & EminenceFront: Thanks, I've added the translations.

@EminenceFront: The game only supports one sort of French to begin with, without the possibility of further diversification.


BTW: If any Germans (or Austrians or Swiss) read this: It would be nice, if you would tell me how exactly the Nectar Maker is called in German. My game isn't set to German so I had to guess.

If gotcha is all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing. - Paul Krugman
Lab Assistant
#8 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 3:08 PM
Hi, Buzzler. What a awesome mod! I translated it a few minutes ago. Thank you again. Cya!
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: txt FruitCombinationStrings_PT_BR.txt (602 Bytes, 22 downloads)
Instructor
#9 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 4:19 PM
Thank you, Buzzler! You've just remedied yet another very annoying part of the game for me. Nectar making may just be fun again now
Lab Assistant
#10 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 5:30 PM
You're a gamesaver! My sim has the nectarmaking lifetime wish, and the fruit combinations are driving me crazy. I kept thinking, this information should be in the nectar skill books. Thank you so much for this mod.
Field Researcher
#11 Old 7th Aug 2010 at 11:45 PM
Thank you very much for this very useful mod!
BTW, the German term for Nectar Maker is Nektarpresse.
Test Subject
#12 Old 8th Aug 2010 at 1:58 PM
Hey i se you have buy upgrade.From Where.
1978 gallons of pancake batter
Original Poster
#13 Old 8th Aug 2010 at 3:44 PM
@Snugglypoo4: Thanks, I changed that in the translation.

@Pata Art: Where did I get that ... what do you think? Did you ever see anyone else having that interaction?

If gotcha is all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing. - Paul Krugman
Test Subject
#14 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 12:58 PM
I mean wich mod gives you the interaction.
1978 gallons of pancake batter
Original Poster
#15 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 5:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pata Art
I mean wich mod gives you the interaction.
Are you for real?

If gotcha is all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing. - Paul Krugman
Test Subject
#16 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 8:29 PM
Why?You are the first persone whit thait interaction.Thait i saw.
Test Subject
#17 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 8:34 PM
I mean the BUY UPGRADE interaction.
1978 gallons of pancake batter
Original Poster
#18 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 8:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pata Art
Why?You are the first persone whit thait interaction.Thait i saw.
Yes, I am the first. And stuff like that is made by modders. I am a modder. Getting any ideas yet?

If gotcha is all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing. - Paul Krugman
Test Subject
#19 Old 9th Aug 2010 at 10:55 PM
Yes i know.I yust wanted to know if i culd get the mod.I cant know about the mods you have only on your computer.Duh!
Theorist
#20 Old 10th Aug 2010 at 2:49 PM
Thank you very much for this
1978 gallons of pancake batter
Original Poster
#21 Old 10th Aug 2010 at 6:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pata Art
Yes i know.I yust wanted to know if i culd get the mod.
You can have that mod when I think that it is ready to be released and I feel like releasing it. Shouldn't that go without saying?

If gotcha is all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing. - Paul Krugman
Test Subject
#22 Old 10th Aug 2010 at 10:43 PM
Here's my translation!
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: txt FruitCombinationStrings_POR_PT.txt (621 Bytes, 18 downloads)
Test Subject
#23 Old 11th Aug 2010 at 1:16 PM
O thanks.
Lab Assistant
#24 Old 15th Aug 2010 at 11:11 PM
I was wondering if there's a way a sim won't make the same random good fruit combination. Would be great if she wouldn't make the same ones she already knows.
Test Subject
#25 Old 17th Aug 2010 at 2:04 PM
Hye, thank you for this awesome mod! I translated the strings to Dutch.
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: txt FruitCombinationStrings_DUT_BE.txt (600 Bytes, 19 downloads)
Description: Dutch Strings

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