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Featured upload! [UPDATE] 10 new CAS Sliders (Breast, Hip, Waist, Butt, Head and more)

by jonha Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 4:56 PM - Updated 5th Jan 2012 at 10:45 PM by jonha : Update
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This is a featured upload! It showcases the best talent and creativity available on MTS and in the community.

It seems the Pets patch changed the way the sliders work in game somehow. While they still can be installed and used, there may be some unusual deformations on your sims. So please be aware of that. You may continue to use them if you can live with this, but otherwise please wait until I provide an update. Note that this will probably take some time as I need to reinstall and update the game, find out what things EA changed, maybe adjust the necessary modding tools and finally adjust the sliders to the new behavior (if possible). Seems to be a lot of work? It is. And I don't have much time currently, so please be patient.



As I posted here, I started working on Body Sliders for Sims 3. A beta-version was uploaded in this thread.

Included are:
  • Breast (female teen-elder)
  • Waist (all ages and genders)
  • Hip Size (all ages and genders)
  • Butt (both genders, teen-elder)
  • Head Size (all ages and genders)
  • Shoulder Width (all ages and genders, was experimental before)
  • Neck (all ages and genders)
  • Chest (all ages and genders)
  • Leg width (all ages and genders)
  • Calf (all ages and genders)
The head size slider and the neck slider will appear in the head region, the other sliders will appear in the mouth region until someone manages to create a new region in CAS.

These sliders are genetical and will be always visible. For example, if you use the breast slider on males, there will be no visible changes, but you can influence, what genes they may forward to their children.

These sliders use quite realistic ranges that work well on all fit/fatness states and all clothing. If you require more extreme sims, you can use a slider multiplier hack, as included with Awesomemod or NRaas Master Controller, but look at the issues below.

Known issues:
  • The basic female t-shirt (the first in the list) has some strange bone assignments. I tweaked the breast slider, so it should look okay in most cases, but it may look bad on very thin and very muscular sims with very large breasts. If you want to be sure, install GnatGoSplat's T-Shirt Replacement Meshes fix (highly recommended). This is not needed since LN as EA fixed their meshes.
  • When using a slider hack that increases the slider range, you will notice, that with the waist slider, the upper body and head will shrink on extreme settings, and with the hip and butt slider, legs and feet will shrink. Also, the hands may begin to shake. This is by design and can't be fixed unless you redo/create bone assignments for every mesh. This effect is unnoticeable in the default slider range.
  • The arm position is changed by the waist slider and the hands may intersect with the hip on extreme settings.
  • The sliders aren't affected (or are reset) by the randomize function. (this behavior changed with LN, now the sliders get random values as every other slider)
  • The adult breast slider is rather pointy and unrealistic, but probably still better than the LN slider. I'm working on it.

Slider limits:
The game has a hardcoded limit of 20 sliders per section. This unfornuately means, that you can't install unlimited sliders. As the game already has a lot of sliders, there are only very few free slots:
  • Head & Ears: 2
  • Eyes: 3
  • Nose: 3
  • Mouth: 7
As 2 of my sliders go into the head section and 8 of my sliders go into the mouth section, you can't install all my sliders at the same time without hacks. In this case I suggest installing everything but the calf slider. Also, you have to be careful if you have other sliders installed because they need slots, too.

You can install for example Twallans Master Controller and Master Controller Integration, this Slider Hack, Awesomemod, or any other mod that increases or removes the limit. But all these mods only work for specific game versions (this means if you update the game you will need to update them too, or you will get startup crashes or other issues) and they may conflict with other core mods (Twallans mods don't conflict, because they are no core mod).

If the game is crashing at startup after installing a core mod, or you are getting messages about incompatible mods, you probably
  • use mismatching game/mod versions
  • use multiple core mods at the same time
  • don't have the d3dx9_31.dll in game\bin (only necessary when your mod is not in your my documents directory)

Installation:
You have to install the package labeled BASE in any case, as it contains all the texts for the user interface. Apart from that you can choose freely, what sliders you wish to install, if you make sure, you don't exceed the slider limit.

Please follow the default package installation instructions.

Updating:
If you previously used my 5 (or 6) sliders, just download the new ones and overwrite the old files. Sims will retain their body shape (with the exception of very small tuning changes).



FAQ:
Problem: My game crashes after installing this mod!
Answer: Make sure your slider hack and and your game version are compatible and you don't have old hacks installed. The sliders themselves should not be able crash the game.

Problem: My lip/jaw (or whatever) slider stopped working!
Answer: You are exceeding the slider limit of 20 sliders per section. Please install some mod to remove/increase the slider limit. Or uninstall sliders to stay under the limit.

Problem: It doesn't work!
Answer: Please follow the default package installation instructions.

Problem: It still doesn't work!
Answer: They work. Either you put the packages to the wrong location, or your framework is not properly installed. Maybe try Delphy's Framework tool. Maybe try installing another mod so you can be sure if it's my sliders or a general framework problem.

Problem: I can't find them! / Where do they appear ingame?
Answer: Don't look where the fatness slider is. They are actually facial sliders so they are in Head->General and Mouth->General. See the rightmost screenshot. Try to scroll down.

Problem: I'm too stupid/young/foreign/lazy to understand the install instructions! I still have issues!
Answer: I'm sorry, but I won't explain everything again and I can't tell you more as I already wrote here. If you have a specific question or problem you can ask me, but I won't reply to posts like "I can't get it to work!" or "I don't understand the instructions!". I got several messages from people who had problems, and I just told them to read and follow the descriptions again and then it worked for most of them. So just read and try it again (and then maybe again) and if it still doesn't work and you have some usable problem description, you can pm me or leave a comment. Please note that this download has a lot of comments and I can't reply to all. If you think you have an important topic (and not some random "I can't get it to work"-post where you tried it only one time) and I forgot you, please write a pm which I tend to check more often. But trying to add a comment first is probably a good idea, because other people might be able to help you, too.

Question: Can you make a arm/bodybuilder/eye/height/belly/whatever slider?
Answer: Sorry, I don't have plans to create additional sliders at the moment. There are already a lot of sliders from different people.

Question: Does it work together with Awesomemod or another core mod?
Answer: Yes. If the core mod itself removes the slider limit (as Awesomemod does), everything is fine, else you have to make sure you don't install too many sliders.

Question: Where can I find other sliders?
Answer:(List is incomplete, just google)

Question: Can I use them together?
Answer: Of course. Just make sure, to either stay under the 20 slider limit or otherwise install a core mod that removes the limit (recommended).

Compatibility:
The sliders work with all currently known game versions (tested up to version 1.29) and should work with all future versions, unless EA does big changes to the slider system. In game versions after 1.24 there may be minor deformation issues as explained at the top of the page. They work on PC and Mac. Some people have reported that they work even with The Sims Medieval, but I don't have this game so I can not give you install instructions or support for this.

The possibility of a conflict with other mods is nearly nonexistent as a conflicting mod would need to use the same instance IDs. Therefore a conflict can only happen, if someone wants to produce a conflict, or if someone does a really bad job at cloning my sliders and publishes his/her sliders with the same IDs.

Additional Credits:
I want to thank Delphy for his Small Editors and everyone else, wo did research and wrote tools, that helped me creating this (s3pi, s3pe, MilkShape exporters/importers, Blender, Wolfram Alpha, Gimp, and many more).

Thanks to everyone, who tested this and sent me feedback or translations.

Tags: #breast, #size, #waist, #hip, #butt, #buttock, #slider, #head, #cas, #body

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You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 3
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Jonha_Sliders.zip | --> Install this if you want the sliders. It should work with every game version. Please install the BASE package inside this zip, too.

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Don't forget to Thank the creator after downloading! Use the Thanks button located above the screenshots above.
Basic Download and Install Instructions:

See: Game Help:TS3 CC Basicswiki for a full guide!
 
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Test Subject
#726 Old 25th Mar 2010 at 2:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fayeli
*Sigh*
I have deleted the cache's, I have started over, I have gone through everything in my mind. I have taken everything out but this and the mosaic removal..It still shows her in a bathing suit. (Again they DO NOT have the never nude trait.) I dont know. Maybe it's a conflict between the mosaic and this, I dont know.

Sorry for being such a hassle,
Fayeli


Which "mosaic removal" do you use in your game?
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#727 Old 25th Mar 2010 at 5:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fayeli
*Sigh*
I have deleted the cache's, I have started over, I have gone through everything in my mind. I have taken everything out but this and the mosaic removal..It still shows her in a bathing suit. (Again they DO NOT have the never nude trait.) I dont know. Maybe it's a conflict between the mosaic and this, I dont know.


I'm using the no mosaic mods here on this page and they all work well together with my sliders. And I don't even see the slightest possibility why my sliders could cause this. The sliders themself only add some slider data to the game, they replace no ressources and don't change scripting, the sliderhack is a replacement for the ui.dll, but obviously this only affects the user interface and shouldn't cause anything related to the nude outfits.

Maybe your game is corrupt or you have somehow managed to add more than 5 traits with the additional ones invisible. Trying to use awesomemod together with my sliderhack may have caused this. If you use awesomemod, don't use the hack. It's included in awesomemod and will conflict with it.
Test Subject
#728 Old 25th Mar 2010 at 5:39 PM
Great! I'm happy to have found this and SZ's mod as well.
Test Subject
#729 Old 26th Mar 2010 at 10:54 AM
Hi, Perhaps I'm too quick off the mark with this, but I just tried to use the standalone CAS this morning and no luck at all. It will run without any mods, but any attempt to add mods to it causes crash to desktop. I guess this is going to need its own set of mod files ? Any ideas ? Thanks.
Test Subject
#730 Old 26th Mar 2010 at 4:31 PM
This looks so cool!
I am definitely going to download it and try it out!
THANKS!

I always start writing with a clean piece of paper and a dirty mind.
Lab Assistant
#731 Old 26th Mar 2010 at 7:06 PM
Hi

I just want to make sure I am doing this right. I am using EGC and want to know where do I put the base and the other sliders? Do they go into the tunable core configuration file or just into the packages folder?

Thank you for your time.
Test Subject
#732 Old 26th Mar 2010 at 7:31 PM
Nice work .
Lab Assistant
#733 Old 26th Mar 2010 at 11:35 PM
This is an absolutely brilliant idea-- thank you so much for sharing all your hard work!
Scholar
Original Poster
#734 Old 27th Mar 2010 at 8:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreilDelphinus
Do they go into the tunable core configuration file or just into the packages folder?
.


Probably just the packages folder. Please note that the sliderhack is incompatible with EGC, so only use Jonha_Sliders.
Test Subject
#735 Old 27th Mar 2010 at 10:38 PM
Hi, i really love this mod, but i need a little help for something. I have delphy framework and both base game and WA. I have Windows XP professionnal SP3. I followed the steps to install it and it should works. But the result for the female breast isn't as good as it should be. I can't really see changes with the clothes, not as much as it should be. It seems that the clothes don't adapt to the changes. I don't understand why is it like that. What should i do to make this mod works really fine?
Scholar
Original Poster
#736 Old 28th Mar 2010 at 7:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeHellback
But the result for the female breast isn't as good as it should be. I can't really see changes with the clothes, not as much as it should be.


First note, that the screenshots are made with an old version of the sliders, the new ones have a slightly smaller range. Secondly note, that the breast volume depends highly on the fatness on the sim, very thin ones can't get very large ones. Thirdly, some clothing doesn't have proper bone assignments, so it may show no or only very little changes.
Test Subject
#737 Old 28th Mar 2010 at 8:54 PM
you know what your all imature thats too realistic you all need sex help only one love only one life keep it clean but it is ur choice im just a christian guy. this is freedom of speech!

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Test Subject
#738 Old 28th Mar 2010 at 9:17 PM
A question that's been eating away at me: is this mod done, or will there be more updates in the future?
Test Subject
#739 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 1:44 AM
hey jonha, need sum help pliz, can u tell me if i can use it with high end stuff version 3.2? since u said the slider hack is specifically linked to each patch version. thanx
Test Subject
#740 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 9:26 AM
Hi Jonha. I have a question. Are the traits edited with the sliders genitically linked? Like how a sim with big lips can pass that trait onto their child? can a female with big hips/breasts pass that on to their kid?

thanks!!
Test Subject
#741 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 9:31 AM
Are the new sliders compatible with the Indie Stone mod?
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#742 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirbunny431
A question that's been eating away at me: is this mod done, or will there be more updates in the future?


I will provide updates:

- New versions of the sliderhack
- New sliders (but they will be probably a separate upload)
- Fixes and improvements to the current sliders

Quote:
Originally Posted by smukase
hey jonha, need sum help pliz, can u tell me if i can use it with high end stuff version 3.2? since u said the slider hack is specifically linked to each patch version. thanx


I will provide an update for the sliderhack soon. The sliders themselves work file.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thekirstin
Hi Jonha. I have a question. Are the traits edited with the sliders genitically linked? Like how a sim with big lips can pass that trait onto their child? can a female with big hips/breasts pass that on to their kid?


Yes, they can. The sliders are geneteical, just as every other slider.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alidai
Are the new sliders compatible with the Indie Stone mod?


The sliders yes, the sliderhack, no. But afaik Indie Stone is deprecated. I suggest switching to Awesomemod and/or Twallan's story progression.
Test Subject
#743 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 3:43 PM
please can someone help. I'm not that intelligant when it comes to computers, as I am only 14. I don't really understand the install instructions, so please could someone tell me a step to step instructions? Which is easy to understand, and also, when I did read the install instructions it mentioned a folder in programfiles/electronicarts/thesims3/mod/packages. But I don't have a folder called mod? please can someone help me with all of this! Thankyou!
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#744 Old 29th Mar 2010 at 4:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by soph2795
please can someone help. I'm not that intelligant when it comes to computers, as I am only 14. I don't really understand the install instructions, so please could someone tell me a step to step instructions? Which is easy to understand, and also, when I did read the install instructions it mentioned a folder in programfiles/electronicarts/thesims3/mod/packages. But I don't have a folder called mod? please can someone help me with all of this! Thankyou!


Please read the faq on the front page. I won't explain everything again. You have to download delphy's framework installer (see link below), it will create a folder called mods with a folder called packages inside, and it will install all other necessary files.

http://modthesims.info/download.php?t=384014
Test Subject
#745 Old 30th Mar 2010 at 10:03 AM
I just wanted to say thanks for the answer. Thank you.
Lab Assistant
#746 Old 30th Mar 2010 at 8:18 PM
Unreal. Thanks,.

Intru informatique...
Test Subject
#747 Old 1st Apr 2010 at 9:19 AM
dont anderstand what this do ?D:
Test Subject
#748 Old 2nd Apr 2010 at 6:29 PM
I installed your sliders and your sliderHack 1.8.25-2.3.33 to remove the limits, but I've got a problem in the head section.
Some of the basic sliders don't work anymore. They are still there, but it happens nothing when I click on them.
Test Subject
#749 Old 2nd Apr 2010 at 8:22 PM
Pressing the thanks button doesn't express how much my daughter and I appreciate how much this mod improves the sim3 world (daughter's used mod for awhile but I only just played S3 for first time in nearly a year). It's just great seeing widely varied body types. Aside from not being able to make dwarves (yeah, I know, I use Delphy's height slider and read about the limits) we're largely unlimited in what we can make our toons look like thanks to you. If you ever need encouragement to add more sliders I'm so there for ya but this mod already makes a massive difference and is beyond great as is. Thanks again.
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Original Poster
#750 Old 2nd Apr 2010 at 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemitis
I installed your sliders and your sliderHack 1.8.25-2.3.33 to remove the limits, but I've got a problem in the head section.
Some of the basic sliders don't work anymore. They are still there, but it happens nothing when I click on them.


The sliderhack should remove the limit and fix those disabled sliders. If it's not working, you probably have a conflicting core mod installed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weji
Pressing the thanks button doesn't express how much my daughter and I appreciate how much this mod improves the sim3 world (daughter's used mod for awhile but I only just played S3 for first time in nearly a year). It's just great seeing widely varied body types. Aside from not being able to make dwarves (yeah, I know, I use Delphy's height slider and read about the limits) we're largely unlimited in what we can make our toons look like thanks to you. If you ever need encouragement to add more sliders I'm so there for ya but this mod already makes a massive difference and is beyond great as is. Thanks again.


Note: I'm currently working on a height slider, see here:
http://modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=394522
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