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Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 3:23 PM - Updated 13th Mar 2021 at 8:16 PM by Menaceman44 : Updated Files
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Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens and Young Adults uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

Conflicts


The mod will conflict with CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.
It will also conflict with Pointy Ears Unlocked - All Ages by Khitsune. If you use this, make sure to download the "PlusEarsUnlocker" version instead and place the file in an Override folder.

March 12th 2021
In an attempt to address the issue where Teens will not get taller when aging to Young Adults for some players, I have recreated the mod with fresh tuning and now included the Young Adult modifier tunings with minor alterations as well.

26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Built with Game Version: 1.71.86.10
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 7,466 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 7,466 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip | Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset.

Size: 40.1 KB · Downloads: 12,983 · 12th Mar 2021
40.1 KB 12,983 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker.

Size: 39.9 KB · Downloads: 5,990 · 12th Mar 2021
39.9 KB 5,990 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 42,245 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 42,245 12th Mar 2021
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Read the upload description for installation instructions. If nothing else is specified, do the following:
2. Extract: Use WinRAR (Windows) to extract the .package file(s) (if included, ts4script as well) from the .rar or .zip file(s).
3. Cut and paste the .package file(s) (if included, ts4script as well) into your Mods folder
  • Windows XP: Documents and Settings\(Current User Account)\My Documents\Electronic Arts\The Sims 4\Mods\
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  • If you don't have a Mods folder, just make one.
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Test Subject
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#101 Old 12th Jul 2020 at 1:33 PM
Wow! I can't remember when the teen size disappeared. Nevermind, I'm gonna try this. Thanks
Test Subject
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#102 Old 17th Jul 2020 at 7:49 PM
Thank you so much for this! Now I can finally have some height difference between the child stage and the YA adult stage :)
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#103 Old 22nd Jul 2020 at 2:51 AM
Awesome. Thanks.
Test Subject
#104 Old 24th Jul 2020 at 4:06 PM
Does it still work with yesterday's update?
Mad Poster
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#105 Old 24th Jul 2020 at 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChofisAquino
Does it still work with yesterday's update?

Yes. Unless new life states or alterations to how CAS generates Teens are added to the game then this file should rarely need updating.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#106 Old 17th Aug 2020 at 5:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Yes. Unless new life states or alterations to how CAS generates Teens are added to the game then this file should rarely need updating.

¡GREAT! Thanks for this mod.
Test Subject
#107 Old 10th Sep 2020 at 9:17 PM
conflict with any existing hight mods?
Mad Poster
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#108 Old 11th Sep 2020 at 2:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trash_45678
conflict with any existing hight mods?

None that I know of and nobody has reported any issues. This isn't a slider so it shouldn't conflict with height sliders and should be possible to use both types of mod at the same time.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#109 Old 21st Sep 2020 at 9:33 PM
after updating the game the shorter auto height teen stopped working, is anyone getting this issue too?
Mad Poster
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#110 Old 21st Sep 2020 at 10:21 PM
I played only a few days ago and had a Child alien age up to a Teen and both her alien form and disguised form changed to the shorter height correctly.

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Test Subject
#111 Old 27th Sep 2020 at 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iSaif96
after updating the game the shorter auto height teen stopped working, is anyone getting this issue too?



This is no longer working for me either. I love this mod! I hope it works again soon
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THANKS POST
#112 Old 10th Oct 2020 at 9:41 PM
I can't play without this mod, please update it at your spare time.
Mad Poster
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#113 Old 11th Oct 2020 at 5:01 PM
Could people who are reporting issues with this mod please be more specific? I can't find anything wrong with it in my own game. Children are still aging up into shorter Teens for me and ones created in CAS are also shorter by default. Have you tried with just this mod in your folder to rule out a conflict? Is it just specific occult types or all Sims? I need more detail to try and track this down or else I don't know what I should be looking at. Thanks.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#114 Old 11th Oct 2020 at 9:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Could people who are reporting issues with this mod please be more specific? I can't find anything wrong with it in my own game. Children are still aging up into shorter Teens for me and ones created in CAS are also shorter by default. Have you tried with just this mod in your folder to rule out a conflict? Is it just specific occult types or all Sims? I need more detail to try and track this down or else I don't know what I should be looking at. Thanks.


Thanks for your reply.

I rely heavily on mods to make the Sims playable. I have MC Command, Wicked Whims and Sice of Life installed. I have noticed that some of my adults are still the height of teens when the mod worked, maybe if I manually 'grow' them up, it might fix itself ????‍♀️

Really love this mod! Great work ????
Mad Poster
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#115 Old 11th Oct 2020 at 9:28 PM
If you find Sims aren't altering to the correct height when they age up then you should be able to fix this simply by taking them into CAS with cas.fulleditmode enabled and changing their frame or gender and then switching back.
I tried in my game again today with a test family of two kids and a few teens made in CAS with varying occult types. I used a cake to age them all up. The kids all became storter Teens and the Teens all became normal height Adults.
The only scenario I have never tested in my own game because of the way I play is what happens when a Sim ages up in an inactive household. As it uses the same tuning files for Sim aging that the game already uses though it should still get applied.
I at least know that MCCC isn't an issue as I play with that in my own game as well.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
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#116 Old 11th Oct 2020 at 11:19 PM
You are a scholar and a saint, thank you so much!
Scholar
#117 Old 12th Oct 2020 at 10:39 AM
No problem at all with this mod. I have now a household with 80 sims that was born and grow up on this lot.
Just saying.
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#118 Old 8th Nov 2020 at 11:30 AM
Looks really cool, will try it out. But if I would like my teens to be slightly shorter than this, is it possible to modify it a little bit more some how?
Mad Poster
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#119 Old 10th Nov 2020 at 3:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sweet_lilja
Looks really cool, will try it out. But if I would like my teens to be slightly shorter than this, is it possible to modify it a little bit more some how?

I realise there is a lot to read on the main post so you may not have seen it, but the last .zip is a folder containing instructions on how to edit this yourself if you find the Teens are still too tall.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
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#120 Old 13th Nov 2020 at 1:15 AM
Hi, love this mod but I'd like them to be a little shorter. I read the instructions file and am I understanding correctly that if I'm using the 'shortest' file I can't adjust it any smaller?
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#121 Old 13th Nov 2020 at 2:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mocajava
Hi, love this mod but I'd like them to be a little shorter. I read the instructions file and am I understanding correctly that if I'm using the 'shortest' file I can't adjust it any smaller?

Sadly that is correct. The way this mod works is that it automatically applies a modifier to a certain percentage for the Teen age group. The shortest version available already has this set to 100% so can't can't go further.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#122 Old 14th Nov 2020 at 12:39 AM
Hey thanks so much for this mod; I love it and use it in all of my games. I have a random semi-related question that I'm curious if you could answer. Do you think it would it be possible to have masculine and feminine frames for the same age group be different heights? Or are they reliant on the same values? More of an idle curiosity thing than a mod request/feedback, but just thought I'd ask, since you seem to have a solid grasp on how this part of the game works.
Test Subject
#123 Old 14th Nov 2020 at 3:25 PM
Pretty sure this was broken with the last update
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#124 Old 14th Nov 2020 at 5:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bmo280
Hey thanks so much for this mod; I love it and use it in all of my games. I have a random semi-related question that I'm curious if you could answer. Do you think it would it be possible to have masculine and feminine frames for the same age group be different heights? Or are they reliant on the same values? More of an idle curiosity thing than a mod request/feedback, but just thought I'd ask, since you seem to have a solid grasp on how this part of the game works.

My grasp probably isn''t as secure as it may seem.
With regards to your question though, the different genders used to have seperate settings when the game first released but the way the game works now it just has one set of settings for each age group (and occult type) and so there is no way to apply it to just one of them.
It might be possible if a modifier was created that only affected one gender but I'm not certain.
It would also mean that the mod would conflict with this one as the same file would need to be overridden by both mods.
I have too many unfinished mods as it is currently anyway so there is no chance at present that I would be able to look anyway.
You're more than welcome to take a look for yourself if you like and understand what you're looking at/for.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Mad Poster
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#125 Old 14th Nov 2020 at 5:17 PM
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Originally Posted by organizedchaos927
Pretty sure this was broken with the last update

Without a proper description of how it is supposed to have broken I will have no way of checking unless the issue appears in my own game and I'm still in the process of updating so can't check yet.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
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