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Picked upload! Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 3:23 PM - Updated 26th May 2020 at 11:03 PM by Menaceman44 : Added additional versions.
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Picked Upload! This is a picked upload! It showcases some of the best talent and creativity available on MTS and in the community.
26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

There is a seperate .zip that contains a text file in both .doc and .txt formats that explains how to edit the height with Sims4Studio to better suit your tastes if the default setting of this mod is too tall for you.

Conflicts
This mod overrides the following resources and will conflict with any other mod that also does so:

Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen Tuning 03B33DDF_E1FA47187F9E9BF1_00000000
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen Sim Data 545AC67A_E1FA47187F9E9BF1_00ABFFCF
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Alien Tuning 03B33DDF_BE63AAAEBE49A3C1_00000003
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Alien Sim Data 545AC67A_BE63AAAEBE49A3C1_00ABFFCF
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Vampire Tuning 03B33DDF_3094DEBB30BE6666_00000011
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Vampire Sim Data 545AC67A_3094DEBB30BE6666_00ABFFCF
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Witch Tuning 03B33DDF_199A4F150F33F6F5_00000015
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Witch Sim Data 545AC67A_199A4F150F33F6F5_00ABFFCF
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Mermaid Tuning 03B33DDF_6BBB96F4B8CDE5DD_0000001C
Client_CASModifierTuning_Teen_Mermaid Sim Data 545AC67A_6BBB96F4B8CDE5DD_00ABFFCF

The only mod I am aware will conflict would be CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Description: Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download. 23.9 KB 15,778 26th May 2020
HeightAdjustmentGuide.zip | Description: Only required if you want to alter the default height for this mod. 6.1 KB 2,281 22nd May 2020
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Description: Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker. 23.9 KB 1,207 26th May 2020
MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip.zip | Description: For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khisule's pointy ears unlocker. 23.9 KB 1,175 26th May 2020
MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip.zip | Description: Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset. 23.8 KB 1,986 26th May 2020
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3. Cut and paste the .package file(s) (if included, ts4script as well) into your Mods folder
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Lab Assistant
#76 Old 28th May 2020 at 4:06 AM
Wow!! I loved the shorter size. But unfortunately I can't edit the mouth in the details. I'm going to have to go back to the size I was before. Anyway the mod is just incredible, I loved it. Thank you so much for this.
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#77 Old 28th May 2020 at 1:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rosalegal2005
Wow!! I loved the shorter size. But unfortunately I can't edit the mouth in the details. I'm going to have to go back to the size I was before. Anyway the mod is just incredible, I loved it. Thank you so much for this.

Do you mean the sliders don't work on the mouth or is it that your Sim is so short that the mouth isn't on the screen? If it's the latter, then you would have to make your edits to the Sim as a Young Adult and then age them back down before leaving CAS.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#78 Old 28th May 2020 at 7:54 PM
Because it's too short, thanks for the advice.
Lab Assistant
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Mad Poster
Original Poster
#79 Old 4th Jun 2020 at 4:21 PM
Still working with the pre Eco Lifestyle patch

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#80 Old 5th Jun 2020 at 4:16 PM
Waiting patiently but I got to ask u a few things I use the toddler and child and preteen preset from redheadsims and shorter teens as well to fake a growing mod miss that in sims 3 but u are a lifesaver with this for the teens as least. I was wondering can u add the toddlers and child using those preset into ur mod and can it be done at a certain percentage of their age where we can experience all those preset from smallest toddlers to the smallest child with the ending being pre-teen body before they birthday to the next category that way each preset will be like a birthday before the real age up to a child or teen.
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#81 Old 5th Jun 2020 at 9:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lataya25
Waiting patiently but I got to ask u a few things I use the toddler and child and preteen preset from redheadsims and shorter teens as well to fake a growing mod miss that in sims 3 but u are a lifesaver with this for the teens as least. I was wondering can u add the toddlers and child using those preset into ur mod and can it be done at a certain percentage of their age where we can experience all those preset from smallest toddlers to the smallest child with the ending being pre-teen body before they birthday to the next category that way each preset will be like a birthday before the real age up to a child or teen.

While it would certainly be possible to add in those sliders for those ages to alter them automatically as this mod does, it would not be possible to get the game to alter those settings depending on age with how it currently works as the setting is per life stage, not actual age in days. In order to achieve what you are asking I believe it would require scripting and python knowledge which I am afraid I do not possess.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
THANKS POST
#82 Old 6th Jun 2020 at 4:25 AM
I love it, thanks!
Scholar
#83 Old 6th Jun 2020 at 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lataya25
Waiting patiently but I got to ask u a few things I use the toddler and child and preteen preset from redheadsims and shorter teens as well to fake a growing mod miss that in sims 3 but u are a lifesaver with this for the teens as least. I was wondering can u add the toddlers and child using those preset into ur mod and can it be done at a certain percentage of their age where we can experience all those preset from smallest toddlers to the smallest child with the ending being pre-teen body before they birthday to the next category that way each preset will be like a birthday before the real age up to a child or teen.


Once upon a time there was a heigth mod:
An upgrade was done with a growth option that never worked. The mod was abandon by the author
but others have updated at least the sliders to work.

Not much happend here but you can discuss it here:
http://modthesims.info/showthread.p...25#startcomment

Note that the mods on first page do not work. At this page there is a link to the latest working mod to my knowledge. The menus
is not working though.
http://modthesims.info/showthread.p...529#post5469529

I use this mod together with Auto Shorter Teens and set heights from MCCC by changing feet size.
http://modthesims.info/d/588159/height-slider.html
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#84 Old 6th Jun 2020 at 5:06 PM
This is needed so much! thank you!!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#85 Old 7th Jun 2020 at 5:25 AM
This issue has always annoyed at this issue and I am glad that someone finally fixed it. TYSM
Lab Assistant
#86 Old 7th Jun 2020 at 3:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
While it would certainly be possible to add in those sliders for those ages to alter them automatically as this mod does, it would not be possible to get the game to alter those settings depending on age with how it currently works as the setting is per life stage, not actual age in days. In order to achieve what you are asking, I believe it would require scripting and python knowledge which I am afraid I do not possess.

U got this far making this amazing mod Never doubt urself I watch of modders go beyond what they thought or started with
But if u can add those sliders into I don't mind having different sizing of each kid it will be a lot realistic
Lab Assistant
#87 Old 7th Jun 2020 at 3:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morphar
Once upon a time there was a heigth mod:
An upgrade was done with a growth option that never worked. The mod was abandon by the author
but others have updated at least the sliders to work.

Not much happend here but you can discuss it here:
http://modthesims.info/showthread.p...25#startcomment

Note that the mods on first page do not work. At this page there is a link to the latest working mod to my knowledge. The menus
is not working though.
http://modthesims.info/showthread.p...529#post5469529

I use this mod together with Auto Shorter Teens and set heights from MCCC by changing feet size.
http://modthesims.info/d/588159/height-slider.html

I used the feet one before I never knew of those other two menus the second one seemed really cool but i been lazy so i been using a lot of preset so this mod was like a gift from heaven.
Lab Assistant
#88 Old 9th Jun 2020 at 7:59 AM
I don't understand why teenager should be shorter than adult, I know many people irl that were same size or even taller than their parents as teenagers
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#89 Old 9th Jun 2020 at 1:15 PM
This is really good.
Field Researcher
#90 Old 10th Jun 2020 at 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vivibella
I don't understand why teenager should be shorter than adult, I know many people irl that were same size or even taller than their parents as teenagers

It depend on what age you are talking about. Some of my stories are about 13 or 12 year olds and most of them don't turn 12 and boom are adult height. The Sims game makes teens look like 19 year olds on the way out of the house. I prefer younger ones for many of my stories. It is more realistic to have shorter teens than it is to have all of them adult sized.
Lab Assistant
#91 Old 19th Jun 2020 at 4:54 AM
It is also great to differentiate adults from teenagers, as there was always a difference in the size of teenagers in the previous Sims and in The Sims 4 there was no way to know what it was, anyway, I also prefer teenagers with smaller sizes than adults. This mod is perfect !!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#92 Old 21st Jun 2020 at 6:42 AM
This is really cool!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#93 Old 24th Jun 2020 at 12:46 AM
For some reason only the female sims are short. It won't work with the male sims. Does anyone know why it does this?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#94 Old 24th Jun 2020 at 7:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fashlandhelper
For some reason only the female sims are short. It won't work with the male sims. Does anyone know why it does this?

I haven't had any other reports of this. Have you tried this mod with all others removed to confirm it's not a conflict with another mod? Female and males use the same tuning file so there isn't really a reason I can think of why it should work for one but not the other.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#95 Old 26th Jun 2020 at 7:13 AM
I have noticed that when sims age up outside of your household to adult they don't get taller again: they remain the teen height. Is this intended?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#96 Old 26th Jun 2020 at 6:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetgirl612
I have noticed that when sims age up outside of your household to adult they don't get taller again: they remain the teen height. Is this intended?

No, that's not intended behaviour. Some people have mentioned this and others don't seem to have the issue at all. I play with aging turned off for other households and only occassionally turn it on every now and again so I haven't seen if this affects my own game or not.
Do they return to the correct height if they change into different clothing? Just asking because I noticed when I removed the mod from my game during development, Teens were still shorter even though the modifier wasn't present but they would get taller again once they changed outfits.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Scholar
#97 Old 3rd Jul 2020 at 4:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetgirl612
I have noticed that when sims age up outside of your household to adult they don't get taller again: they remain the teen height. Is this intended?


I don¨t have that problem and neither the male problem posted by another user.

As I am concerned about genetics for my sims I don't like teens to be pregnant and this mod is a good help
to avoid "accidents". Thanks (again).
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#98 Old 4th Jul 2020 at 10:38 AM
This was a great idea!
Lab Assistant
#99 Old 8th Jul 2020 at 8:40 AM
For me it also works perfectly. I had no problem
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