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Repeatable Relationship Memories Plus New Fall Out of Love Memory

by Phantomknight Posted 13th Apr 2021 at 2:37 PM - Updated 4th May 2021 at 8:16 PM by Phantomknight : Updated Known Conflicts
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Description

In a normal game, the way the Made Enemies with Subject, Made Best Friends with Subject, and Lost Subject As Best Friend memories work is totally inconsistent. By default, the Made Enemies with Subject memory is unique. The Made Best Friends with Subject memory, on the other hand, is unique per sim. But then the Lost Subject As Best Friend memory, as well as the milestone best friend memories (made 3, 5, 10, etc. best friends) are repeatable!

Then there’s the whole Falling in Love thing. By default, the Fell in Love with Subject memory is unique per sim. That’s not so bad by itself, but when you change the memory to be repeatable, the game also gives the memory when sims fall out of love. Why? Probably because there is no memory for falling out of love. I guess Maxis thought this key milestone didn’t deserve a memory. Or maybe they forgot.

What Does All This Mean?

Well, in a vanilla game:
1. A sim can get the Made Enemies with Subject memory exactly once in their lifetime, no matter how many enemies they make. If they make up with an enemy, but start feuding again, they do not receive another memory of becoming enemies again. If they make more than one enemy, they do not receive another memory of becoming enemies with the second sim.
2. A sim can only get the Made Best Friends with Subject memory once per sim. No matter how often a sim fights and makes up with another, they only get a memory of the first time they became best friends. The same is true for Falling in Love. No matter how many times your sim gets their significant other to forgive them and fall in love again, they will only receive the one memory, of the first time they fell in love.
3. Because the Lost Subject As Best Friend memory is repeatable, a sim can potentially get several memories of losing another as a best friend, without getting any memories of them making up.
4. Like I mentioned above, there is no memory for falling out of love. It just doesn’t exist.

What These Mod Collections Do

I’ve put together a series of mods that attempts to fix the above inconsistent nonsense. Memories will either be repeatable (my preference) OR unique per sim (for those who don’t like cluttered memory panels). But not both anymore. I’ve also made a memory for Falling out of Love.

PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories
Includes:
PK-Repeatable-Made-Enemy-Memory
PK-Repeatable-Made-Best-Friend-Memory
PK-Repeatable-Fell-In-Love-Memory

Each mod makes its respective memory repeatable, matching the Lost Subject As Best Friend memory. Sims will get a memory for every enemy, lover, and best friend they make. But also, sims will get a memory every time they become best friends or become enemies with a sim, even if they’ve done it before. No more gaps in memory.

Note: Each file is a standalone mod; you can install one, some, or all. These mods affect new memories only. Also, the Lost Subject As Best Friend memory is already repeatable by default and so not included.

PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories
Includes:
PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Lost-Best-Friend-Memory
PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Made-Enemy-Memory

I have provided an alternate version, in case some prefer a less cluttered memory panel. In this zip, each mod makes its respectable memory unique per sim, matching the Made Best Friends with Subject and Fell in Love with Subject memories. Sims will get a memory for every enemy they make or best friend they’ve lost. But only one memory per sim, no matter how many times their relationship changes.

Note: Each file is a standalone mod; you can install one, some, or all. These mods affect new memories only. Also, the Made Best Friends with Subject and Fell in Love with Subject memories are already unique per sim by default and so not included.

PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory
Includes:
PK-Fell-Out-of-Love
PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory

PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory is the new memory; PK-Fell-Out-of-Love is the mod that makes it so that, when sims fall out of love, instead of getting the Fell In Love memory again, sims get the new Fell Out of Love Memory. Both files are required for PK-Fell-Out-of-Love.

Memory text was taken from the breakup memories and says “I guess love doesn't always last forever.” The icon used for the memory is a TS2 icon that looks like so:


Note: PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory is a standalone mod and does not require either of the other two zip files. It is also a custom memory mod that affects new memories only. Please backup your neighborhoods before installing and review the Installation and To Uninstall sections carefully before installing the mod.

Installation

Again, before installing PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory, you should backup your neighborhood.

Otherwise, to install, simply put the files you want in your Downloads folder.

I recommend you choose either PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories OR PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories. You can mix and match, in case you don’t like the combinations I’ve put together and would like to customize which memories are repeatable further. BUT! You cannot have both PK-Repeatable-Made-Enemy-Memory and PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Made-Enemy-Memory in your downloads folder. Choose one enemy memory mod (they edit the same thing).

Also, if you choose to install PK-Repeatable-Fell-In-Love-Memory, I strongly recommend that you also install PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory, or else sims will receive the Fell in Love with Subject memory when they fall out of love with a sim.

To Uninstall

Everything except PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory mod: simply remove files from your downloads folder.

Uninstalling PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory Mod
PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory is a custom memory. Like with any other mod that adds a new memory, uninstalling carries a risk of corruption. You should backup before installing. To uninstall, you should remove the memory from any sims that have it and clear gossip from the hood.

Compatibility

I made these mods using all EPs and SPs. I cannot guarantee they will work in any other game configuration. If you have a different EP/SP setup, try them at your own risk.



Conflicts

These mods will conflict with other mods that change the same memories. Known Conflicts:
DiLight's No More Stupid Memories! – Also edits the best friend memories
Midgethetree's Romantic Standards Fall Out of Love Memory Fix – Also fixes the issue of the game giving the Fell in Love memory when falling out of love
BoilingOil's No Trash Memories – Also edits the Made Best Friend memory

Again, because these mods edit the same memories, you should use one or the other. Otherwise, whichever mod loads lasts takes priority and determines what happens in the game.

So for users of BoilingOil's No Trash Memories, if you would like to use PK-Repeatable-Made-Best-Friend-Memory and keep the rest of the features of BoilingOil's mod, have my mod load last. Or you can delete the conflicting Bhav from BO's mod (BHAV – CT - Add Memory, Instance 0x00001002 (4098), Group 0x7F06D106).

Resources

Recommended Mods
There is no memory for losing a BFF; I don’t even think it’s possible to lose a BFF in a regular game. Fortunately, Cyjon’s Fragile BFF helps address this issue.

If you would like for the Fell in Love with Subject memory to be repeatable, but do not wish to install a custom memory mod, try Midgethetree's Romantic Standards Fall Out of Love Memory Fix instead of PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory.

Credits
Fyren5 for noticing the issue with the Made Enemy memory and giving me the idea for the fix
DiLight for teaching me everything I know about memories and whose memory template I used for Fell Out of Love
Midgethetree/Radium for reminding me everything I know about memories, walking me through the whole modding process, and giving me tons of instruction and direction.
Jasana_BugBreeder for this post detailing how to add a memory bhav
Whomever wrote the Globals page on the Simswiki
Nopke, CrystalFlame360, Fyren5, and CASnarl for testing and providing feedback. Thanks again!
Creators of SimPE Maxis for the memory text & icon
SaraMK at MATY for extracting base game icons

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

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PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory.zip | Standalone but recommended if you install PK-Repeatable-Fell-In-Love-Memory.

Size: 275.7 KB · Downloads: 320 · 13th Apr 2021
275.7 KB 320 13th Apr 2021
PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories.zip | Choose either PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories OR PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories.

Size: 283.8 KB · Downloads: 144 · 13th Apr 2021
283.8 KB 144 13th Apr 2021
PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories.zip | Choose either PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories OR PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories.

Size: 310.8 KB · Downloads: 274 · 13th Apr 2021
310.8 KB 274 13th Apr 2021
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1. Download: Click the download link to save the .rar or .zip file(s) to your computer.

2. Extract the zip, rar, or 7z file.

3. Place in Downloads Folder: Cut and paste the .package file(s) into your Downloads folder:
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Lab Assistant
#2 Old 13th Apr 2021 at 7:48 PM
Hey great mod! I do have some conflicts I'm not sure how to handle though. I see you listed MidgeTheTree's Romantic Standards Fall Out of Love Memory Fix but which should I pick? Are they both doing the exact same thing so it doesn't matter or is there reasons to choose one over the other? Also Repeatable Best Friends conflicts with BO's No Trash Memories but I'm not sure how his mod affects the Best Friend Memory so hard to know which to pick! Any advice? Thanks!
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#3 Old 13th Apr 2021 at 8:16 PM
Happy to see this out on MTS!! Thank you for your hard work, it was a pleasure to test with you and everyone else. :D
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#4 Old 13th Apr 2021 at 10:16 PM Last edited by Phantomknight : 4th May 2021 at 7:59 PM.
@Fyren5, Thank you!

@BellaDovah, I looked at BO's No Trash Memories, and yes, it conflicts with PK-Repeatable-Made-Best-Friend-Memory. I don't think this is intentional and I think the wrong bhav is being used in No Trash Memories, but for now, you should choose one or the other. I have contacted BoilingOil about it, but he's not an active poster, so I want to give some time before advising anything else. (See update in post 5, below.)

As for MidgeTheTree's Romantic Standards Fall Out of Love Memory Fix, yes, both it and PK-Fell-Out-of-Love attempt to fix the same issue, but in different ways. Don't install both. My mod fixes the issue by giving sims a new memory, Fell Out of Love, instead of the game giving the Fell In Love memory again. Choose my mod if you want sims to have a memory for falling out of love. Choose Midge's mod if you don't want to add a custom memory to your game.

(I'll also add that if you don't also use PK-Repeatable-Fell-In-Love-Memory, or any other mod that makes the Fell In Love memory repeatable, you probably won't ever see the error, and so could get away with installing neither.)

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#5 Old 14th Apr 2021 at 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantomknight
@Fyren5, Thank you!

@BellaDovah, I looked at BO's No Trash Memories, and yes, it conflicts with PK-Repeatable-Made-Best-Friend-Memory. I don't think this is intentional and I think the wrong bhav is being used in No Trash Memories, but for now, you should choose one or the other. I have contacted BoilingOil about it, but he's not an active poster, so I want to give some time before advising anything else.

As for MidgeTheTree's Romantic Standards Fall Out of Love Memory Fix, yes, both it and PK-Fell-Out-of-Love attempt to fix the same issue, but in different ways. Don't install both. My mod fixes the issue by giving sims a new memory, Fell Out of Love, instead of the game giving the Fell In Love memory again. Choose my mod if you want sims to have a memory for falling out of love. Choose Midge's mod if you don't want to add a custom memory to your game.

(I'll also add that if you don't also use PK-Repeatable-Fell-In-Love-Memory, or any other mod that makes the Fell In Love memory repeatable, you probably won't ever see the error, and so could get away with installing neither.)


Thanks so much for getting back to me Well I think I'm going to use your best friend mod and let it overwrite BO's and get rid of midge's mod and use yours!
Test Subject
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#6 Old 14th Apr 2021 at 11:38 AM
amazing, thank you!
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#7 Old 15th Apr 2021 at 5:13 PM
This is so wonderful! I want to add this to my game BADLY, but is it possible to get it to work with No Trash Memories??? I reeeally don't wanna deal with those stupid "Met __" memories
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#8 Old 17th Apr 2021 at 1:37 PM
This is wonderful! Thanks so much for uploading this mod!
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#9 Old 4th May 2021 at 7:58 PM
@BellaDovah, I was finally able to get in touch with BoilingOil and here's what I found out: In No Trash Memories, the Made Best Friend with Subject memory is eliminated/suppressed. Your sims shouldn't get new Made Best Friend memories at all with it installed.

So yes, if you do want to use my mod instead for that memory, loading my mod last will work. Whichever mod loads last will take priority in handling the memory. Alternatively, you can delete the conflicting Bhav from BO's mod (BHAV – CT - Add Memory, Instance 0x00001002 (4098), Group 0x7F06D106).

"May the sunlight find you, thy days be long, thy winters kind, thy roots be strong." -Grand Oak Tree, DAO

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#10 Old 15th May 2021 at 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantomknight
@BellaDovah, I was finally able to get in touch with BoilingOil and here's what I found out: In No Trash Memories, the Made Best Friend with Subject memory is eliminated/suppressed. Your sims shouldn't get new Made Best Friend memories at all with it installed.

So yes, if you do want to use my mod instead for that memory, loading my mod last will work. Whichever mod loads last will take priority in handling the memory. Alternatively, you can delete the conflicting Bhav from BO's mod (BHAV – CT - Add Memory, Instance 0x00001002 (4098), Group 0x7F06D106).


Thanks so much!
Lab Assistant
#11 Old 22nd May 2021 at 10:01 PM
It doesn't appear that Pescado's Batbox conflicts with this (a Pescado mod that doesn't conflict? Who'da thunk it?), but I'm completely unqualified to know for sure. Would you be willing to take a look, please? The relevant portion is described thusly:
Quote:
XXVI. Wipe Mystery Sim Memories
Removes all irrelevant "Mystery Sim" memories on freshly created so your sims can experience the relevant moments with some real sim instead of blabbing about this mystery sim thing. Option not available on sims with chronologies that removing these would invalidate.
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#12 Old 27th May 2021 at 7:17 PM
@croiduire sorry it took so long to get back to you! I'm on the site frequently, but I forget to check this thread--best to @ me or PM me.

Anywho, your question: I was fairly sure it doesn't conflict, as I use the batbox too, but just to be sure I ran the HCDU. No conflicts are reported/found. This makes sense, too, because my mod does not affect the Mystery Sim memories.

If you install PK-Repeatable-Relationship-Memories, then other mods that edit the Made Enemy, Made Best Friend, and Fell In Love memories will conflict. If you install PK-Unique-Per-Sim-Relationship-Memories, then other mods that edit the Made Enemy and Lost Best Friend memories will conflict. If you install PK-Fell-Out-of-Love-Memory, then anything else using my GUID (0x08A88081) will conflict.

Let me know if you need more help/that doesn't make sense.

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#13 Old 28th May 2021 at 11:02 AM
It makes perfect sense. I would prefer to use your mods, but I can't even play without the batbox. As long as they don't conflict, it's all good! Thank you! :D