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#1 Old 28th Nov 2019 at 11:44 PM
Default about youtube
i didn't know where else to put it but do you hate the new rules about youtube?
i sure do, i deleted all my video's today (hatefully) because i don't know if my video's are avaible for children or not and if you don't edit your settings on time you have to pay for every video's that's not for children under the age of 13
so i thought it would better be safe then sorry by deleting all my video's.

have youtube thought by people who only works for youtube to cash money?

and even the comments on youtube gets deleted and they disable the box when someone reply's on your comment or when brand new video is just on youtube recently
you can't even sent the link in a few weeks anymore when you need to know where something is coming from or something
(i comment sometimes too just to know where some stuff is coming from or either reply on a video about someone, or to give my opinions about a video)

i liked the old youtube more because before 2011 there weren't ads. and especially not during the video's
i've known youtube since 2006 (halfway in september) and i could tell you, even the site itself got changed because of the new youtube icon and all (i also liked the old icon from youtube)

before it was on the news, an youtuber i'm subscribed to told all the fans she'll delete her account hatefully because her video's aren't avaible for children but she still continues with her video on her other website

twitter or instagram or vimeo or dailymotion, i don't exactly remember which one, and it's the sims 2 video's. and i like sims 2 video's (especially teenage pregnancy's) maybe even more then other types of video's
it's like the owners just think about the children now a days, haven't they heard about youtube kids? (or however it's called when video's are only avaible for kids)

what do YOU all think about the new rules about youtube? i'm mad and scared at the same time for sure
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#2 Old 29th Nov 2019 at 11:01 AM
Google ( Youtube) lost a lawsuit which is why things are changing. It is the Federal Trade Commission that would be imposing the new law that states that is a video is improperly tagged or labeled that there would be a $42,000.00 fine. Google is going to do everything in their power to defend and protect themselves even though they've had the power to deal with this problem long before now. Porn channels that were being labeled as kid-friendly should have been dealt with; instead they went ignored. Then there has been the repeated wormhole issue where pedos are clipping videos that have children in them and so the gross stories go on.

It is the job of parents to make sure their kids are safe on the internet, but at the same time, internet has yet to learn to regulate itself and because there was a a refusal to do so, US Federal Government is going to do it for Google instead, possibly. Common sense in this case would have made a world of difference, but because people think they're untouchable and want to cash in on every video, common sense and logic flew out the window.

I feel bad for people that have channels that haven't engaged in any of this and are being swept up in the net, but again, Google decided to allow their platform to become the wild west, so everybody gets to pay for it. Can't help those that won't help themselves. I don't take the grumbling about all of this seriously as people could have done something and chose not to.

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#3 Old 30th Nov 2019 at 4:47 PM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 30th Nov 2019 at 9:51 PM.
This is yet another case of technology (and lack of etiquette) evolving faster than any laws (or manners) regulating it.

I belong to a number of video channels involving toys, arts and crafts and OOAK doll crafting and they're caught up in the dragnet. They are pretty benign. Sad though. Most of the content on my regular channel is a mix of stuff for kids (dolls for 3 to 12 year olds and other toys in that range), teens (collectible dolls and toys for 13-17) and adults (dolls for collectors ages 18 and older due to the dolls' delicate nature), so notification will be spotty starting in 2020.

Currently, a petition to further clarify content for kids is currently circulating the Internet to help content creators who got caught in the dragnet.

As far as I know, I will have to wait and see on the issue.

While on the subject...
$42,000 for a missed label? That's cruel and unusual. Tagging and labeling is one thing, but any misstep in that process can cost you $42k? My God, it makes the FBI Warning's maximum of $250k on piracy, reverse engineering, public exhibition, etc. on physical disc media seem lenient.

Typing and clicking is nothing compared to the orchestrated crimes the FBI and INTERPOL agreed to enact as arrestable under law in Stockholm in 1977.

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#4 Old 30th Nov 2019 at 9:32 PM
YouTube is unfortunately one of the platforms where people, where they are told they can upload cute cat videos and similar as long as it is child friendly, they will either do so - or find any and all ways they can to break the algorithms. If you for instance say a program filters out anything that looks even remotely like a picture of people's nether regions or 18+ content, you can be absolutely sure someone will figure out a way around it, usually within a few days, often messing with the content labeling so the algorithms won't immediately pick them up. YouTube is no exception. Eventually this is in some way or another going to affect the ones who keep to the rules, and with the amount of content on YT they can't exactly go through each video manually, because that would take several lifetimes.

I haven't read much into it, but have seen a few videos from accounts I follow where they are clearly frustrated. Hopefully the problem won't be as big a crisis as people seem to think it will be, or render YT useless, like for instance when Facebook changed a while back and made the site crawl to a halt (frustrating at the time, but very effective in turning my addiction into almost complete aversion).

(Dunno how this ended up in "how was your day", but I guess I had both up and posted in the wrong one . Now posted where I intended it to end up)
Theorist
#5 Old 1st Dec 2019 at 4:28 PM
My son has been telling me more and more about this and is upset because he thinks the people he watches will have to take off their videos (he watches a lot videogame vlogs/battle show/cartoon things). I stopped watching a lot of vloggers (I had so many subscriptions) because of a lot of them whining about not making money from "their hobby" and begging for Patreon $$. I had one vlog I enjoyed but when they passed the first "law" that any video with kids had to have comments disabled, I stopped watching because of the lack of comments.

I don't know what is actually up with Youtube except for what the people I watch have been saying for months, "We don't make any money anymore."

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#6 Old 1st Dec 2019 at 4:39 PM Last edited by simmer22 : 1st Dec 2019 at 6:33 PM.
^ I remember when Youtube was mainly about uploading funny or interesting videos. Now almost everyone who is uploading on a regular basis is asking for either money, subscriptions, likes, comments, or all of the above. Often combined with half the video cluttered with sponsor shoutouts and ads (which I'm not the least interested in). I tend to skip over those parts if they go on for more than 5 seconds. I get it's the new "cool job" that "anyone" can do from the comfort of their own home, but it's still annoying. Some of us have real jobs where you actually have to work for the money, you know.
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#7 Old 1st Dec 2019 at 6:06 PM
I'm subbed to 4 channels. None of them are sims related as I've had enough of YouTubers in sims community in particular blaming me for them not making them money or my personal favorite "Keeping them poor!" Yeah, no. I grew up poor, so I do know a thing or two about that. I also know the fastest way out of poverty is not sitting around and blaming the world for it. You leave the house and work, sometimes several jobs if that's what it takes. Said jobs are not going to be glamorous or have a sparkling corner office, but they will pay bills, keep food in the house and the lights on.

I also don't do the whole Patreon thing, nor do I watch 'sponsored' content as many YouTubers dodge the rules about that. They are supposed to add a disclaimer that said videos are paid content, but they don't. Instead they think they're smart and try using crafty editing to show off the product they are peddling without saying anything about it. As for the big channels that have millions of subs, I find it interesting but not surprised that they've had nothing to say about this whole thing. They are YouTubes biggest money makers, so they are allowed to break all the rules. Google will happily turn the other cheek for them and not do anything to them whether they 'obey' the rules or not.

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#8 Old 1st Dec 2019 at 6:45 PM
I think today's community, especially youths, are so used to getting peppered with ads and sponsored content of various kinds it passes right by the logic center in their brains without stopping. So they use their own money to give to people on Youtube or whatever, so these people can use Youtube as their only paid "job". Maybe I'm getting old, but to me it seems they're having fun on the expense of a lot of other people, and I'm not so sure it's fun they deserve. I've also noticed lately that the content from some of these people is lowering in quality, probably because now they have a ton of followers so the quality doesn't matter as much because people are already hooked.

Not long ago I came over some travelling videos from a couple who seemed to do their whole travelling business out of what they got from their Youtube account, wih a "we couldn't do it without you!" kind of message. And I'm like - well, if other people want to travel, they usually work to save up money for it, they don't usually rely on donations from strangers. And they're not the only ones doing it. People seem to be funding whatever hobby they have almost solely on what they earn on their Youtube account, but it's still at the expense of other people.

So honestly I don't feel too sorry for them if the new rules now come and bite them in their behinds. People should have a way to know if a video has sponsored or advertised content, and whether the videos are monetized, or if the videos aren't child friendly or contain strong language, because some people (especially kids and young adults) are easy to sway if they don't know any better, and they don't always make the best choices.

It's a strange world we live in, I guess...
Theorist
#9 Old 1st Dec 2019 at 7:37 PM
I figured when YouTube began it was cool. People can teach or learn new things or watch videos of music group or whatever. Too many vloggers thrive on drama. That's why I stopped watching. So and so would get trolled by someone and then the first person would make it personal or into a channel flame war. The worst are some of these frugal people, self reliant, preppers and religious zealots. Some of them are hateful towards each other for more views and ratings. Sorry to add, some simmers are down right stupid on YouTube. Every other sentence is ya need to subscribe to my channel. Their zombie followers begging them to share their amazing cc folders just put me off.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
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#10 Old 2nd Dec 2019 at 8:22 AM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 2nd Dec 2019 at 8:43 AM.
As far as I see it, removing family friendly content to fight the pornography problem is more along the line to adding flamethrowers to the mass shooting problem: both ideas are bad and are counterproductive to fixing the problems presented in front of the people involved...in other words, it's worse than before and is in no way a good solution.

I looked up more at Google on their categorization of content and how to dispute content that is in grey areas. It was very wordy that I could reinforce the fact that it could cause someone to incur the $42k fine very easily.

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#11 Old 2nd Dec 2019 at 12:45 PM
All I'm seeing is the government trying to regulate something that should be left to the free market. But that's a democrat majority house for you.

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#12 Old 2nd Dec 2019 at 6:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarVee
All I'm seeing is the government trying to regulate something that should be left to the free market. But that's a democrat majority house for you.


This transcends party lines. Google ignored the issue and lost a lawsuit. Even if the Republicans were involved, it would still be the same outcome.

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#13 Old 2nd Dec 2019 at 8:00 PM
This has nothing to do with politics. People are mad that they will no longer be able to monetize kids content; this is what it boils down to. Anybody that has a channel and has never pushed to be "kid friendly" has nothing to worry about. That isn't how this is playing out though. YouTubers want all the money from all the ads regardless of what they post.

I was watching somebody this morning who I haven't watched in a long time because all that persons' channel was, was a cash grab on kids content. Now all of the sudden, this same person is complaining that her channel has never had deceptive content on it and that her channel was never directed towards children. I don't know of many childless couples who spend their time scouring the internet to find the newest, fad kids toys so they can talk about said toys on YouTube. I'm sure there are plenty of people on YouTube that have done the same exact thing, but I'm not going to go searching for them and this person was lying and full of shit. She needs to go back and actually watch her own content; she had a channel specifically for this very purpose.

YouTube used to be fun when it was nothing more than a hobby for people. The content was better, people actually gave a damn instead of just uploading whatever shizz they think might make them money, ect... Whatever. Everybody is the victim, never the cause. I'm not one to think Big Government fixes things, its actually the opposite, they make things worse, but people just can't be adults and help themselves. They have to lie to all the kiddies and everybody else to make themselves feel better.

Simgurugraham on the future of the sims 4
EA's strategy, when filling a long-time request for more depth, is to occasionally subvert expectations. - Graham Nardone
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#14 Old 2nd Dec 2019 at 10:26 PM
The whole "don't say/do X or we get demonetized" thing has even become a joke to some of the Youtubers.

It's scary what kids can find on Youtube. My niece is still a toddler and with more or less free reins she can seemingly watch anything as long as it's not marked 18+ or needs login ("what's parental control? Never heard of!"), which is rather scary because there is still a lot of stuff on there that someone under the age of ten shouldn't be watching. A few times she's been casually browsing and come across videos I'd absolutely not be okay with if my hypothetical kids were seeing them, especially not at that age. Her brother who is also under ten is casually talking about "kills" for a video game he's playing (and no, he's not at the age where he should be playing those kinds of games), and I'm pretty sure he's watching gameplay videos for those games on Youtube - maybe they're not geared toward kids or meant for kids to be watching, but they sure are influencing kids. Maybe their parents have their own variation of what's okay for their kids to do, and I don't usually poke my nose in their business, but if they were my kids I wouldn't be okay with it.

I don't really care if content is demonetized if it is secretively or oviously geared towards kids. Ads and promotional content should not be allowed for those, and anything that obviously is a "this toy thingamabob is so cool and you MUST buy it!")

I also think parents should be careful what they let their kids watch, and which platfoms they let their kids roam free on. Maybe have some talks with their kids what it's okay to watch, and maybe sometimes watch videos with them to really observe what their kids are absorbing. I don't think outright banning them from wathcing will help, but perhaps talking it through with them is a better idea.
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#15 Old 3rd Dec 2019 at 1:07 AM
I only hope I'm wrong for once and that YouTube is still a presence when the date passes.

Otherwise, Google will feel quite a death knell.

I should be the only one to shine,
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Space Pony
#16 Old 3rd Dec 2019 at 4:32 AM
I am not looking forward to these new rules either, as I have had my sims youtube channel for almost 12 years now. There is a petition if you haven't seen it yet that is against the new rules of youtube. Please share the petition to help reach the goal: Sign the Petition
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#17 Old 3rd Dec 2019 at 2:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sims2ultralover5
I am not looking forward to these new rules either, as I have had my sims youtube channel for almost 12 years now. There is a petition if you haven't seen it yet that is against the new rules of youtube. Please share the petition to help reach the goal: Sign the Petition


Already signed it and pointed out how broadly written the law was that the content they're censoring could be brought back.

YouTube has been broken for a while. This law will probably be the final blow.

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#18 Old 3rd Dec 2019 at 3:07 PM
Quote:

[email protected]

Starting today, scripted or simulated violence in video games will be treated the same as violence in other scripted content like movies & TV.

This means future gaming uploads w/ scripted or simulated violence may get approved instead of age-restricted →


Quote:
One thing to add here: We may still age-restrict fictional violence if it’s particularly graphic (hate to need examples, but this might include fictional videos of people being dismembered/decapitated, or human corpses w/ these severe injuries).


https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/sta...551895065714688

Random comments: Oooh, thank God for this! Yay, YouTube!

Videos that have to go through the review process can still be demonetized. With the COPPA issues still not straightened out/ addressed yet, a person could still be fined $42,000.00 per video if they are not marked properly. Why are these people singing the praises of YouTube and seal clapping?

The more I see this stuff, the more it makes me not want to have YT in my life. Are people so desperate to get money from a video that they have to praise things that could hurt them? Perhaps this is my cue to get YT out of my life even though the 4 channels I'm subbed to don't engage in this nonsense.

PHLearn: Photoshop
Foo The Flowerhorn: A channel about fish keeping
Dave Ramsey: All things money; good and bad
Cafe Music BGM: A music channel; all music on those channels belongs to the channel owner (s)

I'm going to have to think about this one for a bit. Maybe I'll keep the 4 and delete everybody else that is bookmarked.

Simgurugraham on the future of the sims 4
EA's strategy, when filling a long-time request for more depth, is to occasionally subvert expectations. - Graham Nardone
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#19 Old 5th Dec 2019 at 12:34 AM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 6th Dec 2019 at 1:06 AM.
Well, I did what I could. Wrote a letter, signed the petition, left a comment in the petition's comment section.

As far as I done, it's short of a full blown protest with picket signs and loud chanting outside the office.

As far as I know, this COPPA revision probably will end up in a similar manner as SOPA and PIPA with the pushback it's getting.

Update: As of 7:00PM EST December 5, 2019, the aforementioned petition is 83% signed and by my father's projections, if things continue onward as expected, the petition will be completed on or before the 15th of December 2019.

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#20 Old 10th Dec 2019 at 12:26 AM
i hatefully had to delete my account since the rule starts by today about youtube, i've heard the old platforms will be gone forever in a month,
i just clicked on deleting the youtube channel so hopefully my google account won't be deleted aswell since i sent mails at the times when it's important

i also saves the important documents too,

i only agrees about uploading something for kids and which isn't for kids but no longer having reply's, search thingy (the video or music you want to type) and all the other stuff that will be gone soon i don't agrees with it.
with a little help from a youtube video i would be able to delete my youtube channel (i'd rather be safe then sorry)
Test Subject
#21 Old 10th Dec 2019 at 8:53 PM
i like youtube
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#22 Old 14th Dec 2019 at 10:47 AM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 18th Dec 2019 at 9:27 PM.
Well, YouTube is now the bigger issue. Between the FTC and Google, there's been something of a role reversal. FTC is now looking more and more a savior and YouTube is now more like an ogre, along the lines of an oni, which were vicious, flesh-eating, kidnapping and thieving monsters which their mortal foes were religiously ordained samurai.

I sat through two videos. One on the vicious about-face Google did and how they can delete entire channels and accounts. The other was a more sane way this imbroglio could have been handled better. There was no mention of pornography or pedophilia. It was an issue of data cookies.

Also read an article that said "Anything classified as kids content will automatically be hidden with an algorithm."

God, why do I feel like I'm trying to look through legal transcripts to keep the innocent from being imprisoned? All I want to do is build doll furniture, sew doll clothes and make one of a kind dolls.

Today, while cleaning my room...I found two matchboxes made for wedding favors and inside were cut and colored toothpicks resembling colored pencils. I learned it on a kids channel on YouTube. It was a set of colored pencils for 1/6th scale dolls like Barbie.

The channels I sub...

MyFroggyStuff: A mostly doll, toy and crafting channel. On Fridays during the evening EST, Toya and Bella, a mother daughter duo who had this channel for 10 years, Livestream on their channel Q&A and whatever else they like to show off.

Nick Murray Willis: Animator from the UK who takes audio clips and syncs up out of context animation.

Paralives: Official YouTube channel for Alex Massé's indie game challenge to the Sims series. Mostly in-development footage.

Nintendo: Official Nintendo of America Channel. I usually check for news on games I have interest in.

Brock Baker: Voice actor. Man gunning to beat Mel Blanc's "Man of 1,000 Voices" record and has sang cover songs in various voices.

oVertonecolor: Official promotional channel for a special colorful hair conditioner.

12/15/2019

If YouTube does go down in proverbial flames, I may go to Vimeo. Start a positive channel. Just need to work on my videos. Already in the process of of subtitling the video.

I should be the only one to shine,
I am the Golden Queen of Shadow Galactica
(Translation of a line from image song Golden Queen Galaxia)
Mad Poster
#23 Old 18th Dec 2019 at 9:27 PM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 19th Dec 2019 at 11:15 AM.
Well, here's the creators Q&A released yesterday. The representative clarified, among other things, the terms of what content falls into what classification, what technical rules are to be followed, why they didn't have mixed\general audience classifications, how to handle COPPA compliant monetization and will further work with the FTC on playing well with others, particularly them.

Link
https://youtu.be/KdIlQ9kq4F4

I should be the only one to shine,
I am the Golden Queen of Shadow Galactica
(Translation of a line from image song Golden Queen Galaxia)
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