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#1 Old 17th Jun 2007 at 3:07 PM Last edited by HugeLunatic : 24th Dec 2020 at 5:51 PM.
Default Rolling the Pacifier and Firstborn Syndrome
What the heck is rolling the pacifier? What causes all my sim kids to look the same? What is firstborn syndrome? Someone explain all this stuff!!!

Oh wait, we have!

Game Guide:Pregnancy

Definitions, info, what to do, why to do it, and all the shiny details you could want!

Sims2RPC - First-born Syndrome fix, Rich Presence & Borderless

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#2 Old 18th Jun 2007 at 11:07 AM
If you hadn't mentioned concepts I'd never heard of I never would have read the pregnancy guide. I never knew about half the stuff written there. Thanks for pointing it out.
#3 Old 17th Jul 2007 at 7:48 AM
Thanks, that really helps with the idendtical twins thingy
I never knew what 'Rolling The Pacifier' or 'Firstborn Sindrone' was
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#4 Old 21st Jul 2007 at 7:22 PM
This was really helpful! I was getting annoyed when my newborns were looking very similar to siblings - now their features do reflect mixes of family members past, and not just one.
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#5 Old 16th Sep 2007 at 11:57 AM
wow, no wonder all my sims look the same and boring, im going to start 'rolling the pacifier' from now on, too bad my CAS takes FOREVER to load =[
#6 Old 25th Oct 2007 at 1:45 PM
Is it just me or does 'Rolling the Pacifier" sound vaguely obscene? It is just me isn't it?
Test Subject
#7 Old 25th Oct 2007 at 10:01 PM
hahaha...it does
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#8 Old 26th Oct 2007 at 9:18 AM
Don't Forget that Sims Can Get Pregnant in the Sauna with Bon Voyage.


#9 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 2:09 AM
I've heard that the firstborn syndrome thing was fixed after Seasons but I don't have seasons installed right now. I downloaded the lot debugger some weeks ago and I love how each child come out with different looks and personality. I started to realize something was wrong when the Schaffer family had 5 kids (2 boys and 3 girls) who looked exactly the same with different hair and eyecolours! I ended up keeping my favourite boy from the family and deleted the rest.
#10 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 2:15 AM
Wow, I had no idea about the First Born Syndrome thing.
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#11 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 3:06 AM
Oh man, all my sims' latter children have the same personality! No wonder! That was really beginning to bug me. Thanks for that, HP!! *big hugs*
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#12 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 7:04 PM
If you're playing the game and can't go into CAS - what is it that you do again to avoid the syndrome?

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#13 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 9:00 PM
load another lot before loadign the lot that has the female you want to get pregnant. or load the lot, leave, then load again.
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#14 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 9:18 PM
No, that won't do it, L3w1s.

http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?...stborn_Syndrome

If, for some reason, you don't wanna go through CAS you'll need to use Pescado's lot debugger.

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#15 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 9:56 PM
I can't go back to cas after I have created the family though can I?

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#16 Old 27th Oct 2007 at 10:09 PM
Figgi, you don't need to go back to that particular family in CAS - just save their lot, exit to the neighborhood, enter CAS, and follow one of the procedures spelled out in the tutorial above (linked by HP), using random sims.

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#17 Old 28th Oct 2007 at 11:16 AM
Oooo I understand it now.

Gosh, this makes me realise just how complicated the Sims2 really is. The amount of specialised knowledge you need! This makes Sims3 even more scary O.O

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#18 Old 28th Oct 2007 at 11:34 AM
Well, the firstborn/rolling the pacifier thing is one of the hardest things to explain, but once you wrap your mind around exactly what's happening (the game starts each time with the same genetic seed number - generate new sims or get it to roll that number forward after the first kid, so your babies are born using a different genetic seed number and look different) it's not too bad.

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#19 Old 28th Oct 2007 at 11:47 AM
True, it does seem a lot more simpler now that I've got my head round it. (She says as she tries to de-code what HP said in the brackets).

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#20 Old 1st Nov 2007 at 7:57 PM
I'm still having a problem, all the babys still look the same.
One of my female Sims is pregnant, it's the second baby.
I left the lot, went to antoher and then returned, I used "Build a Sim" ingame and created some random Sims and I used the Lotdebugger (the one which looks like a blackbox with a Batman on it), but the newborn always looks like its brother. The Lotdebugger gives me a warning, that it will return to the neighbourhood, but it doesn't return. I'm only owning the base-game, none of the addons. Anyone here who can help me? It's really boring when the kids all look the same even if you tried everything to prevent it.


Edit: I tried it again (changed from Schönsichtingen (that's the German name of Pleasentview) to Merkwürdigenhausen (Strangetown), created a random family, changed to General Firtz' Lot and back to the nieghbourhood and lot with the pregnant sim) and its a look-a-like same gender child again.
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#21 Old 1st Nov 2007 at 8:26 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Boioi
I'm still having a problem, all the babys still look the same.
One of my female Sims is pregnant, it's the second baby.
I left the lot, went to antoher and then returned, I used "Build a Sim" ingame and created some random Sims and I used the Lotdebugger (the one which looks like a blackbox with a Batman on it), but the newborn always looks like its brother. The Lotdebugger gives me a warning, that it will return to the neighbourhood, but it doesn't return. I'm only owning the base-game, none of the addons. Anyone here who can help me? It's really boring when the kids all look the same even if you tried everything to prevent it.


Edit: I tried it again (changed from Schönsichtingen (that's the German name of Pleasentview) to Merkwürdigenhausen (Strangetown), created a random family, changed to General Firtz' Lot and back to the nieghbourhood and lot with the pregnant sim) and its a look-a-like same gender child again.


I'm very sorry if you already realize this but all the babies do look the same. When you age them to toddlers they start to look like individuals.
#22 Old 1st Nov 2007 at 8:53 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Zaggytiddies
I'm very sorry if you already realize this but all the babies do look the same. When you age them to toddlers they start to look like individuals.


Yeah, I know that baby all the babys look the same, but up to now they where all male, had a brown skin (only one prant is brown) and yellow eye-brows. What about black eye-brows or another skintone? Isn't it possible?
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#23 Old 1st Nov 2007 at 10:00 PM
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What about black eye-brows or another skintone? Isn't it possible?


The children are limited to the various genetic combinations available from the parents. Sims created from CAS are able to pass on only traits that are exhibited. Second generation sims and beyond may be "carriers" for unexpressed traits (hair color, eye color, etc) that are not expressed. I don't believe that sims can spontaneously mutate and have traits that do not exist somewhere in the family tree.
#24 Old 1st Nov 2007 at 11:12 PM
a more surefire way to tell if they are clones is to check their personality traits. if they match and they look the same, they are. otherwise, its just a chance that they happened to get the same major features such as skin/hair/eye colors.
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#25 Old 3rd Nov 2007 at 7:47 AM
Pescado's lot debugger works great for this. I just tried it out for the first time the other night and my Sim wound up having twins. They both have unique traits and features.
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