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#251 Old 14th May 2021 at 6:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MilkyMilk
Hi everyone! Hope this thread is still alive, because I'm really in love with this challenge. I started playing it and after few quarters all my peasant families became yeomans, so now there are no carpenters or fishermen in my settlement Where can I get new peasant and yeoman families when the old ones will rise in class? Hope for answer and sorry if it was already here, my English is very bad


Hmm! This is a problem I've not come across before, MilkyMilk! I'm stumped!

Find all of my Challenges in MTS Sims 2 Challenges "Ye Olde" Section:
Vllygrl's By George! Regency Play Style/Challenge; Regency/Victorian ROS;
The Medieval Charter Challenge & ROS for MCC;
The Crown of Laurels Challenge; & Besieged! New Medieval Challenge & Medieval ROS.
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#252 Old 15th May 2021 at 6:42 PM
@vllygrl -I've planned for that to come up in mine as it's a colony and some of the new settlers to my colony might be first nations couples joining the colony and others might be from Africa coming as service sims and another is convicts being sent over on exile instead of sent to prison.IIt can be convicts being sent over in any case and brining in others from a distant land to be in service is another option even if the challenge is set in Old World Europe instead of a New World colony like mine is.
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#253 Old 23rd May 2021 at 2:01 AM
@TadOlson: Excellent suggestions - you've thought ahead with your colony, and these ideas could work for many simmers!
@MilkyMilk: Welcome to the MCC and I'm glad you're enjoying the challenge! Sometimes, depending on how the dice rolls go, some families will have a founder and his adult (or teen) brother or cousin, so same surname. According to challenge guidelines, these sims would belong to the same class, and would move out and create their own homes and families. This is one way you would have "other" peasants, because even if brother #1 is fortunate to move up a station, his brother #2 does not get to ride on his coattails and move up at the same time; brother #2 has to do so on his own merits. Also, it is not that easy to move up, especially for peasants, so not all your peasants will be so fortunate! If you find it is too easy, make it harder for them! Add some ROS's that might add unfortunate events to their lives or make the rules/guidelines stricter!
Also, see TadOlson's excellent ideas above - first nations couples or singles, service sims, convicts and I would suggest second round immigrants as well, can all join your settlement at some point as needed. Also, as your settlement grows and moves to the next level, new sims are added.

Hope this helps! Have fun! Cheers, Vllygrl

Find all of my Challenges in MTS Sims 2 Challenges "Ye Olde" Section:
Vllygrl's By George! Regency Play Style/Challenge; Regency/Victorian ROS;
The Medieval Charter Challenge & ROS for MCC;
The Crown of Laurels Challenge; & Besieged! New Medieval Challenge & Medieval ROS.
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#254 Old 23rd May 2021 at 7:25 PM
@vllygrl I've been using history to inspire me on growing my colony in the new world and immigration did happen in Old World Europe with some fleeing a war torn territry to find safety and that meant they changed their home if a war broke out in their homeland and forced them to leave.I also know that some began to prosper in Tudor times and that some colonies in the New World were actually established in the 16th century as a way of leaving famine and crop failures behind when weather patterns in Europe changed because a volcanic Eruption altered them.
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#255 Old 16th Aug 2021 at 6:33 AM
I've been deliberating for years over whether or not to try this challenge -- too intimidated both by the rules and putting together all that medieval CC -- but I've finally decided to take the plunge.

I decided I'd rather start off with the landowner present as the town is growing. Therefore I would start off with the castle occupied with a noble family instead of the gentry, but they wouldn't be crowned monarchs until the settlement earns their "independence" by becoming a full city. I thought I could use the Besieged! scenario to play out a sort of war of independence that allows them to break off into their own kingdom. I hope that doesn't mess up the challenge too much. Are nobles still allowed to marry sims from the convent/military barracks?

There are a few things I'm a little unclear about. There's no option for crops when setting up the peasant households. Does that mean peasants can't be farmers? I like to set up my towns so that they're only allowed to eat what the community has grown or caught, so ideally I'd like to start with a few farms. Of course the yeoman families are allowed to have gardens and orchards, but there's fewer of them, especially if one of them needs to be set up with the hedge tavern.

Another thing is the artisans. According to the checklist I'd need a piper, juggler, street performer, bard, and minstrel. I'm at a loss as to how to make all these roles distinctive. Sims can't really make money with juggling, and I'm not sure what a piper would be doing besides playing instruments, which sort of makes them a minstrel? Is it the social caste that makes them different?

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#256 Old 16th Aug 2021 at 10:20 PM
@delonriel -I'm not too worried about that as my first couple to start my colonial settlement in my apocalypse challenge is to lead by default and the same applies to my TOT challenge since both are in the 16th century and are colonies in the new world.My first settlers get the largest lot size because they have to farm the land and live on what they grow or catch from hunting.Social classes are only the background of the sims and mean little except for those sent over as convicts and that means nothing after they've served their sentence.
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#257 Old 17th Aug 2021 at 12:15 AM Last edited by vllygrl : 17th Aug 2021 at 12:18 AM. Reason: clarity
Hello Everyone,
This is a long overdue post to tell everyone about some exciting news: ergbennett has created a fabulous Sims 3 adaptation of the MCC! I can't say enough good things about her adaptation - suffice it to say that she has done a terrific job and I am so excited about this - I am very interested to hear how Sims 3 players react to it and if they start playing it!
ergbennett is also known as gnomeofinvention on Twitch, and Ravenwood streams are every Saturday at 12:30 pm MST so you can find out more about her adaptation there. My thanks to ergbennett for taking the time to make a Sims 3 adaptation of the MCC!
Psst...!!! I also know of a simmer who is working on a Sims 4 adaptation of the MCC!!!
Happy Simming,
Vllygrl

Find all of my Challenges in MTS Sims 2 Challenges "Ye Olde" Section:
Vllygrl's By George! Regency Play Style/Challenge; Regency/Victorian ROS;
The Medieval Charter Challenge & ROS for MCC;
The Crown of Laurels Challenge; & Besieged! New Medieval Challenge & Medieval ROS.
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#258 Old 17th Aug 2021 at 12:56 AM Last edited by vllygrl : 17th Aug 2021 at 1:10 AM.
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Originally Posted by delonariel
I've been deliberating for years over whether or not to try this challenge -- too intimidated both by the rules and putting together all that medieval CC -- but I've finally decided to take the plunge.

I decided I'd rather start off with the landowner present as the town is growing. Therefore I would start off with the castle occupied with a noble family instead of the gentry, but they wouldn't be crowned monarchs until the settlement earns their "independence" by becoming a full city. I thought I could use the Besieged! scenario to play out a sort of war of independence that allows them to break off into their own kingdom. I hope that doesn't mess up the challenge too much. Are nobles still allowed to marry sims from the convent/military barracks?

There are a few things I'm a little unclear about. There's no option for crops when setting up the peasant households. Does that mean peasants can't be farmers? I like to set up my towns so that they're only allowed to eat what the community has grown or caught, so ideally I'd like to start with a few farms. Of course the yeoman families are allowed to have gardens and orchards, but there's fewer of them, especially if one of them needs to be set up with the hedge tavern.

Another thing is the artisans. According to the checklist I'd need a piper, juggler, street performer, bard, and minstrel. I'm at a loss as to how to make all these roles distinctive. Sims can't really make money with juggling, and I'm not sure what a piper would be doing besides playing instruments, which sort of makes them a minstrel? Is it the social caste that makes them different?


Hello and welcome, delonariel!
I'm glad you are taking the plunge to try the MCC and please don't be intimidated! There have been many interpretations over the years by various players who have decided to play the MCC, and I've always had the attitude that they are really more guidelines than hard and fast rules, so change and add things as you wish! No one "fails" this challenge, it's not so much about keeping score and adding up points to "win", but more about enjoying your game through a Medieval perspective which lends itself to great storytelling! AND about having fun!
Having said that, I will try and address some of your questions: first of all, I love your back story structure of using the noble family as the landowners, using Besieged! as a set-up for the family breaking off into their own kingdom, and then finally being crowned the monarchs of the region. No, it won't mess up the challenge at all -- it sounds like your unique and individual interpretation and approach and actually kind of an exciting beginning because the family will be very motivated - will they use their power for good or evil? Will they be benevolent rulers, or harsh overlords? Can't wait to hear more!!!
Nobles could marry a spouse from the convent or the military barracks, perhaps it would become part of your storytelling to invent a back story for the noble or gentry resident of convent/barracks who then marries into the noble family?
I initially set up the challenge so that Yeomen would be the market gardeners of the settlement -->City. This is because Medieval peasants would not have owned land so could not have grown any significant crops, and most likely would have been serving the landowners in the area anyway. Yeomen owned land, and had the resources to grow crops, using peasant labour even. One Yeoman market gardener to start with will be enough, perhaps he will have a brother or son who will assist him or start their own farm! If that doesn't seem like enough since you will also want a Yeoman family for the hedge tavern, you can add another Yeoman family to create a market garden. Remember, this starts out slow and is meant to build over time, so you don't have to have everything in place from the beginning - Medieval communities had many hardships during their development.
Artisans require a little creativity and perhaps some mods to set up. Artisan Occupations are those in which the Sim should be able to make a little money -- maybe not enough to live on, so you might want that Sim to be part of a family and not living on their own. The Sim should not also be employed in a career occupation at the same time, which is why they are in a different category.

Piper, Juggler, Street Performer, Busker -- these artisans are basically street performers, and can earn money by performing on community lots for tips (play for tips), or by performing on the stage (on a community lot).

Bard is a Poet/Writer (NOT a musician) and performs for gentry and nobility in their homes, think live poetry performance; you can use Mog’s “Become an author ... without a computer” mod; as well as have them perform on the stage.

Minstrel – an individual or member of a musical band i.e.: a Musician, who can make his or her living by performing for gentry and nobility in their homes or by performing on the stage.

Interesting thread about Playing Instruments as a Business at MTS here: http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=445643

I hope this helps explain things a bit better, but please let me know if you have any other questions!
Happy Simming,
Vllygrl

Find all of my Challenges in MTS Sims 2 Challenges "Ye Olde" Section:
Vllygrl's By George! Regency Play Style/Challenge; Regency/Victorian ROS;
The Medieval Charter Challenge & ROS for MCC;
The Crown of Laurels Challenge; & Besieged! New Medieval Challenge & Medieval ROS.
Field Researcher
#259 Old 17th Aug 2021 at 11:58 AM
Thank you for such a quick and detailed response! That did in fact answer all my concerns and makes perfect sense. I wasn't familiar enough with medieval history to understand the difference between peasants and yeomen. I've been blessed (?) with several very large families, and since yeomen children don't go to school, they should be able to produce quite a lot of crops. I decided to start out with a market gardener and beekeeper/orchard. The beekeepers will also be the brewsters, selling lemonade which I'll pretend is mead or cider. Hopefully they'll eventually be able to afford the hedge tavern. If not, I'll give it to the third yeoman family. I use maxis crops which grow very slowly, so I'm sure the artisan roles will be very welcome in the future to bring in a few more bucks to farming families.

I especially like the option of being able to buy land with the nobles for the peasants to work on! That way I can also support future peasants who wouldn't be able to afford their own homes otherwise.

With the nobles able to marry from the bachelor households, I won't have to worry about the family dying out. The lord's mother is going to be heading the convent so she's in a good position to vet any girls who might join her family.

The dice were behaving particularly oddly when I rolled for my families, and I've ended up with a settlement consisting almost entirely of women, with two adult men out of 38 sims. One family of seven consists of six females and one male toddler! There are a few male teens and elders, so I'm thinking there must have been a war recently. I have so many toddlers that I might have to open up the foundling home early, but I'll see how it plays out.

Given how very many daughters I have, I also wanted to ask about the Artisan Apprenticeship. How does that work? Do they move in with an established artisan, or simply spend time with them and then enter into that profession themselves? Is that what the apprenticeship fee is for? 4k sounds like a lot for yeomen and peasants to be able to afford.

I'm using an edited version of the Veronaville map with the river widened to one day make room for a port so they can ship their goods. I can't wait to get started
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~~like a dirty dog
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#260 Old 22nd Aug 2021 at 10:55 PM
I've found a few custom careers here like a farmer career that could serve for sims working on a landowner's farm as farm laborers or for convicts who got shipped over to work until they've served their sentence.I also have most sims having to make money without taking formal jobs at first when the colony is too small in population to support jobs except for a few options being available part time.My colonists get homesteads and become farmers at first and some are crafters or working in a trade.
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#261 Old 5th Oct 2021 at 5:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vllygrl
Hello Everyone,
This is a long overdue post to tell everyone about some exciting news: ergbennett has created a fabulous Sims 3 adaptation of the MCC! I can't say enough good things about her adaptation - suffice it to say that she has done a terrific job and I am so excited about this - I am very interested to hear how Sims 3 players react to it and if they start playing it!
ergbennett is also known as gnomeofinvention on Twitch, and Ravenwood streams are every Saturday at 12:30 pm MST so you can find out more about her adaptation there. My thanks to ergbennett for taking the time to make a Sims 3 adaptation of the MCC!
Psst...!!! I also know of a simmer who is working on a Sims 4 adaptation of the MCC!!!
Happy Simming,
Vllygrl


Thank you so much for the shoutout! I've finally finished a sort-of-final draft of my adapted rules and started a new thread here: Medieval Charter Challenge for Sims 3 . I'd love to hear feedback from any Sims 3 players who try it out.

Quick note: I'm taking a break from livestreaming the challenge (streaming a different save that's modern and not medieval), but I'll get back around to it in January. I finished my first rotation with my town at level 2, and I'm getting close to unlocking some more lots. Can't wait to get back at it.
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#262 Old 19th Oct 2021 at 5:54 AM
You're welcome, ergbennett, and thanks for the update! I'll be checking out your MCC for Sims 3 thread and looking forward to your MCC for Sims 3 livestream continuing in January.
Cheers, Vllygrl

Find all of my Challenges in MTS Sims 2 Challenges "Ye Olde" Section:
Vllygrl's By George! Regency Play Style/Challenge; Regency/Victorian ROS;
The Medieval Charter Challenge & ROS for MCC;
The Crown of Laurels Challenge; & Besieged! New Medieval Challenge & Medieval ROS.
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