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Lab Assistant
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#1 Old 25th May 2007 at 2:33 PM
Default seasons and roofing - I need your help
I wasn't here for some months, but now I'm simming again.
My begging or demand: I'm totally confused now with the wintertime in my houses.

What I think I know:
*** beneath/under boolproped roofs snow is falling into the house.
I tried and deleted all my "roof-windows", sat a false floor on top, so everything was flat and I could set a "real" sims-roof on top. But I don't know the reason why: the complete house is covered with roofs drawn with the roof-tool now and in some rooms the Windowsills have still snow on top.
I had connection stairs from a (floortiled) basement-garage to the kitchen (on the foundation, 1. floor), an my sims changed their outdoor-clothing not coming into the kitchen, but only after having passed the door between kitchen and hall.
*** If the upper floor is smaller than the floor beneath, I have snow on the windowsills though there is a roof above. Not really the whole section covered with snow but the windows.

I couldn't really find something about this problem here. Is it a seasons-desease-desaster? Or is it a bug only in my game?

Yes, I'm playing, but I love building and decoration. And I allways try to find a compromise between goodlooking and playable.
But if all the split-levels, all the none-box-houses would not work anymore - it would take my great fun of building away.
Could you give any advice, any link?

I'm really down, because this snowy thing makes me going nuts. What's the reason?
The only explanation would be: the game-structure doesn't recognize my houses as "house"??? (Because of sloped walls / landings?)
Does anyone know, if snow is getting into houses if they have no foundation at all?

Please, if my eyes are covered with tomatoes because there are threads about the problem out there, just delete this thread.
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Lab Assistant
#2 Old 25th May 2007 at 3:18 PM
Welcome back, simsjeanie! :D

This thread might help you. http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=223637

I was going to start eating all natural foods, until I heard of all these people dying of natural causes.
My other favorite website, www.SimSafe2.com, I'm Petunia Mae Witherbottom there.
Mad Poster
#3 Old 25th May 2007 at 3:56 PM Last edited by patul : 25th May 2007 at 4:02 PM.
Have a look here to test your roofing : http://www.modthesims2.com/showthre...stpost&t=204112

May be you wil find some answers..or extra pblems !
And it is not very easy to help you without pics


You know a site allowing re-upload of free build/buy stuff in lots ? Help us to update the list !

* Plus j'échoue plus je m'approche de la réussite
* The more I fail the more I approach the success

(Lao patul MMVI AD)
Lab Assistant
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#4 Old 26th May 2007 at 9:08 PM Last edited by simsjeanie : 27th May 2007 at 7:16 AM.
Thank you so much!
I've read your links (and the links in the links / rather slowly, because I need time to get what you're saying, silly old german woman I am ) and now I know, that I was right: boolproped roofs don't work in seasons.
But still no answer why there was snow on some window-sills of some rooms of the house. (In one room the diagonal windows had no snow, all windows on straight walls had snow on their sills ??? )
Before doing anything else I will use the "build-mode/shift/alt"-info (thank you!!!) to see what's going on in my houses.
Then I will try to find out how do get a screenshot and post it here.
(Unfortunally this house is in spring again, perhaps I try to turn the weather-button on top to winter / hope that my orchards won't die.)
You're a helpfull building-company!

edit: couldn't get this pop-up-window pop up, whatever I tried. It doesn't work with seasons? I read the first link again and found the mysterial words of basegame . . .
Now I have to read more.
Played the whole night through up to now to get my sims to winter again. I really don't know, wheather the rain or hail is falling into the house. It seams as if, but there are no puddles in the house. Anyway - the sims are affected to rain, hail and snow. They even get up the middle of the night (with red energy!) to look out of the windows. I allways click "Close all windows". Perhaps I should remove the hack. It's hard work to keep them platin with this ep!
I should have slept better than trying - with no results. A-aaaaahh . . . my own energy is deep red . . .
Mad Poster
#5 Old 27th May 2007 at 8:55 AM Last edited by niol : 17th Aug 2007 at 5:07 AM.
simsjeanie,

ensure the buttons were pressed at the same time.
Also, stay healthy without using up your energy... Sleep when your body tells such a need. Surely, ensure all the dangerous things are avoided before so, such as turning off the boiling water on the stove, locking the doors well, etc... :D

Linkage for roof and attic things:

A. build feature tutorials/hints/tips:
Bigger attics
http://www.modthesims2.com/member/s...ad.php?t=156028
roof Attic walls
http://www.modthesims2.com/showpost...02&postcount=12

1. weather-related (snow, hail, rain, outside or inside)
attics in seasons [abel1980]
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=223637
Info box indicating weather state @ build mode
http://www.modthesims2.com/showpost...957&postcount=6
seasons and roofing
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=233485
Sims freezing in a Maxis house
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=244718

2. cheat helps:
RESOURCE: Helpful roof slope angles
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=228157

3. build feature helps:
How Do I Make This Roooooof?
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=232043
%$%*$( ROOF &(*&*__^$
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=243574
Lab Assistant
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#6 Old 29th May 2007 at 2:56 PM
Well, thank you again. And I'll try it again.
I'll have a break, going on vacations for a few days.
Then I'll have a new try.
(offtopic: oh, niol, fact is: my body doesn't tell me to sleep - instead it allways whispers: "Try to do the dungeon once more with the well in the -2 basement." Sometime I'll wake up in the middle of the night just thinking how some building could be done successfull. I fear the sims are not healthy for me . . . )
Mad Poster
#7 Old 29th May 2007 at 5:32 PM
If you want to play TS2 the longer you will, then take good care of yourself is the only way to reach that goal and feeling...

Playing it healthily can be a choice if you let that happen ...
Alchemist
#8 Old 9th Jun 2007 at 12:13 AM
Thanks to all of you - I recently uploaded an a-frame starter, where I was saving money by making maximum use of the 'roof' walls. Someone with Seasons found their sims froze in the bedroom, and I have been wondering if this meant none of my basegame houses would work with Seasons. However, now I can fix it. It will cost more though...

It's wonderful that so many people share their findings and help for the game. Thankyou!
Alchemist
#9 Old 9th Jun 2007 at 5:14 AM
I've altered the faulty A-frame, but now I need someone with Seasons to check for me that it is fixed. I don't know if this is the right place, but I can't find a better one. Can someone let me know where to load the testing package?
Thanks.
Lab Assistant
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#10 Old 13th Jun 2007 at 11:56 AM
Was trying and fiddling again and just want to let you know: Maxis did a stupid job. The round (spiral?) roofs don't work the way they should.

I've built a tiny "water-castle":



The top floor was absolutely flat. And then - when winter came - I had this:



Snow inside again! I went to the top floor and found this:



You can easily see, that the round roof didn't do what the rectangular roofs do: the roof that is placed on a lower level didn't vanish. And although the top is totally covered by the round roof there is snow inside (falling down to the 1rst floor in that part (staircase) that is open up to the top / 1rst picture).

But the solution is so easy that's it's a shame I didn't think of it before:



First I pulled the roof the way the green arrow shows, then again the way the yellow arrow shows. Well, it was better than, but I didn't get the triangles (red arrow) covered anyway. After some time I had the idea just to cover the whole top floor with tiles. And that was it. Now more snow in the house!

So - if you use the round roofs I suggest you cover the top floor right under the roof with tiles to keep your sims nice and comfortable in their homes.

PS: I think you builders know such things anyway, but for the "dummies" like me it might be a little help. Sorry, if this was already said at an other place, then just delete it.
And I hope the pictures are not to big, it was the first time I tried to get screenshots and to upload them in a post.

@ aelflaed - please don't think I want to ignore your question! I just don't know the answer, sorry!
Alchemist
#11 Old 13th Jun 2007 at 1:16 PM
Thanks, Simsjeanie. I am uploading the revised version anyway, and hopefully someone will let me know whether it is now weatherproof. The thread is here...
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=234551
Lab Assistant
#12 Old 13th Jun 2007 at 1:24 PM
The more pics, the easier it is to understand. :D

I was going to start eating all natural foods, until I heard of all these people dying of natural causes.
My other favorite website, www.SimSafe2.com, I'm Petunia Mae Witherbottom there.
Mad Poster
#13 Old 13th Jun 2007 at 4:59 PM
Simple....but very useful (especialy if you havent seasons to test it), thank you !

You know a site allowing re-upload of free build/buy stuff in lots ? Help us to update the list !

* Plus j'échoue plus je m'approche de la réussite
* The more I fail the more I approach the success

(Lao patul MMVI AD)
Mad Poster
#14 Old 13th Jun 2007 at 6:17 PM
The thing is that the semi-spherical or the conical roofs are actually regarded as rectangular or square blocks.
Just check out their shadows. The shadow will show you how these roofs are counted graphically.
If one does the roof mostly for decoration, then the smaller roof may look better.
Yet, if it's mainly for game-play, the shadow region has to be either the same as or larger than the room region.
Alchemist
#15 Old 14th Jun 2007 at 1:59 AM
Putting a 'ceiling' on the a-frame would not have helped that particular house, since it was the roof walls that were the problem. However, it's good to know for the future.
Lab Assistant
#16 Old 27th Jun 2007 at 3:04 PM
To get the whole thing covered,
make a low fence around it and fill it with tile than put the roof on.

When you jump on your way down why do you ask yourself why did you jump?
Sometimes the quote 'think before you leap' comes in handy at that point
If you happen to see me down there you'll know I wasn't following my advice
Then we all know what happens...SPLAT!
Mad Poster
#17 Old 28th Jun 2007 at 9:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aelflaed
Putting a 'ceiling' on the a-frame would not have helped that particular house, since it was the roof walls that were the problem. However, it's good to know for the future.


The a-frame case is that the two sides that reside on the ground have no attic wall to close the room.

Attic walls can form rooms like the default ones.
May read these threads/posts

http://www.modthesims2.com/showpost...02&postcount=12
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=106473

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthre...0#startcomments
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=223637
Lab Assistant
Original Poster
#18 Old 28th Jun 2007 at 1:24 PM
niol, you're my King of Links!
Thank you, I've learned again!
Mad Poster
#19 Old 28th Jun 2007 at 4:25 PM
Also, tile the area where one can see the snow or shadow and its above.
Or, simply unuse the snowable areas.
Alchemist
#20 Old 29th Jun 2007 at 3:01 AM
Niol, I don't think I quite understand about the attic edges - do you mean you have found a way to seal the roof edge where it meets the ground?

I would like to know how to seal the attic if possible, without building a wall three tiles in from the edge. The point about cheap attic housing is lost, if you have to build walls anyway to keep out the snow.

I have checked all the links you posted, several times in some cases. Is there a way to seal those edges with a low wall or something?
Mad Poster
#21 Old 29th Jun 2007 at 7:17 PM Last edited by niol : 1st Jul 2007 at 5:19 AM.
aelflaed,

To get the hidden attic wall out, you may try to edit
[gamedir]\EA Games\The Sims 2\TSData\Res\Catalog\Scripts\Walls.txt

Quote:
Originally Posted by niol
This's the attic wall script I use and this can be an example. Or use this as a quick use, back-up the original wall.txt file somewhere, then replace the default wall 3 atic walls definition with the following, and save it at the file
[gamedir]\EA Games\The Sims 2\TSData\Res\Catalog\Scripts\Walls.txt
(not the back-up one.)


# attic walls
wall 3
defaultPattern "blank"
wallThickness standard
mayChangeSurface true
mayAttachObjects true
mayCutAway true
requiresFlatBottom false
requiresFlatTop false
submersible true
verticalSpan floorToRoof
#verticalSpan floorToFloor
deleteTools roof partition
requiresSupportUnderneath false
bearsLoad true
catalogTextIndex 6
#notInCatalog
thumbnailResource 0x499db772 0xe9261575


If you feel comfortable with modding the scripts yourself. This is a nice resource reference.
Modding InfoCenter - Partitions: walls, fences, fence arches
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=106473

Back into the game, at the wall section, you'll see an icon different from default wall, that's the unleashed attic wall. with it, build the attic walls to close the borders of the roofs.
Alchemist
#22 Old 1st Jul 2007 at 12:28 PM Last edited by aelflaed : 2nd Jul 2007 at 1:07 AM. Reason: question
Thanks for the clarification, Niol. I will give it some thought.

(edit) I've tried the wall.txt edit, and it works fine for closing that roof edge. Thankyou! And it was even easy for me to do, despite my nervousness about editing game files. (I have kept a copy of the original script, just in case)

I only tried it quickly last night, but will test it in my problem A-frames later.
I'm still not sure it solves my weatherproofing issue (and it's impossible for me to check without the EP), but I will experiment some more and see how it goes.

If the weather is coming only through the unsealed floor edge of the roof, that should be fine. But is snow also getting through the attic walls? I'm confused now.

(edit) I've looked again at the house that caused problems - still haven't had any feedback about whether I have fixed it successfully, but the rooms were always properly enclosed with 'ceilings' and walls, some normal, some attic ones. So it must have been the attic walls that were at fault.

Thanks for your advice, Niol.
Mad Poster
#23 Old 2nd Jul 2007 at 4:52 AM
The unleashed attic walls will work in all EPs so far.
To know about the weather, may try this
http://www.modthesims2.com/showpost...957&postcount=6

One more sign to spot out if a room is completely closed by walls is the cell-darkening one can see after building the last wall segment of rectangular boxy room.

The another test can be wallpapering. If one holds the "shift" key and click at the inside wall while the outside walls also get wallpapered, it means the room is not completely closed by walls.

So, there're at least 3 easy ways to get to know if a room is fully closed.

Whether it's rain, hail, snow or else, these graphical effects are "generally" defined not to pass through a complete closed room with "proper" roofing like default roofs ad plain floor-tiled roofs.
Alchemist
#24 Old 2nd Jul 2007 at 10:44 AM
Yes, the room was closed as far as these tests go (except for the info window test, which is Seasons-specific). And still the Sims froze, apparently. Anyway, I have done my best to fix it. Thanks for all the time you have spent on this, Niol.
Mad Poster
#25 Old 3rd Jul 2007 at 1:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aelflaed
... (except for the info window test, which is Seasons-specific). And still the Sims froze, apparently...


The info window test is working in all versions except it doesn't list out weather when without EP5 Seasons.

Can you give out some screenshots of the buildings where the sims froze?
I guess something must be missing.
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