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#51 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 10:23 AM
Quote: Originally posted by pirate_wolf_12
Pretty sure the first 10/10 review, the one by angarvin43, is trolling. I don't mean that in a "10/10, whatever' way, but the whole "EA is the great", "Sim City's reboot was successful", "please release DLC's and not expansion packs" is too over the top.
Lol, that review is hilarious! My favorite part is this " I can't imagine how bad the gaming industry will become if EA doesn't exist in this world. "

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Lab Assistant
#52 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 10:27 AM
Quote: Originally posted by monsterfurby
Not making any statement regarding Sims 4 itself, but I think your approach might be flawed. See http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 ...


As a matter of fact there is so much downgrading by trolls, but also so much payed upgrading that in the end it's not a review score, it's more like an ongoing battle between greed and hate, EA representing the greed, trolls representing the hate, and while the trolls are outnumbering the EA-bots, they have more patience (me3's score was once down to 1.9).
I like the fact that there are options like twitch and similar lifestreams these days, so that you can take a look at it with your own eyes. You don't even have to listen.
Lab Assistant
#53 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 10:45 AM
Quote: Originally posted by SuperFake
As a matter of fact there is so much downgrading by trolls, but also so much payed upgrading that in the end it's not a review score, it's more like an ongoing battle between greed and hate, EA representing the greed, trolls representing the hate, and while the trolls are outnumbering the EA-bots, they have more patience (me3's score was once down to 1.9).
I like the fact that there are options like twitch and similar lifestreams these days, so that you can take a look at it with your own eyes. You don't even have to listen.


Completely agreed. In the end, numerical scores are inherently flawed, and people on the internet tend to gravitate towards extreme positions one way or the other. The only way you can really find out whether a game is for you or not is to either read enough opinions to form your own or actually play/watch the game in question.
Forum Resident
#54 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 12:12 PM
Quote: Originally posted by TotallyJW
Lol, that review is hilarious! My favorite part is this " I can't imagine how bad the gaming industry will become if EA doesn't exist in this world. "

That part is actually true. EA has set an example of what not to be.

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Field Researcher
#55 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 2:20 PM Last edited by Nina333 : 3rd Sep 2014 at 2:56 PM.
“The Sims 4″ Game Review

Quote:
Truth be told, the new installment in the game looked like a stripped-down version of The Sims that came out in 2000, only with better graphics.


Review: 'Sims 4' Aspires to Greatness and Fails

Quote:
...there's an unshakeable feeling while playing "The Sims 4" that even though the Sims have evolved, something still isn't quite right about them...
#56 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 2:40 PM
Quote: Originally posted by pirate_wolf_12
Pretty sure the first 10/10 review, the one by angarvin43, is trolling. I don't mean that in a "10/10, whatever' way, but the whole "EA is the great", "Sim City's reboot was successful", "please release DLC's and not expansion packs" is too over the top.


Quote:
angarvin43
Sep 2, 2014
10
"Fantastic! Every body, EA did that again! After the great success of reboot in Sim City, fans of simulation games are wondering what the next simulation title will be launched by EA. I can't imagine how bad the gaming industry will become if EA doesn't exist in this world. For starters, EA is currently one of the best simulation developers in the world, and in general it is the leader in trends of development of various games around the world.

Sim City has already drawn so much attention and become a legend of simulation games in modern era. Today, another legend has born, which is this wonderful game.

Sims 4 has significant improvement over its predecessor. It has an improved UI, which is more user friendly. Its graphic is superb and oustanding. On a technical side, the optimization is perfect, the game is running extremely smoothly. The game play elements also bring the simulation of life to a new level. It has a lot of elements added, and offers a great variety of game play choices for players. Also, it is very realistic, which is an outstanding life simulator.

All in all, the game has a lot of innovative and creative improvement, which is a must-have for all fans of simulation.

I am already looking forwards for more DLCs to come. Please do not release expansions again like the old-days, as this takes too much time for development. Fans want new contents as soon as possible. Developers, please try to release more and more DLCs on a weekly, or if possible, on a daily basis. Fans are eager to pay for more FUN!

Every one, please join me to celebrate the great launch day of such fantastic title! "


More like a EA insider / reviewer paid by EA for writing over-compliment about the developer (EA) not the gameplay itself.
Normal users/customers/players/Simmers would not write long sentences in professionally great structure with the smell of marketing like this.

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Lab Assistant
#57 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 2:46 PM
Quote: Originally posted by BloodyScholastic
More like a EA insider / reviewer paid by EA for writing over-compliment about the developer (EA) not the gameplay itself.
Normal users/customers/players/Simmers would not write long sentences in professionally great structure with the smell of marketing like this.


And you know that, because...?

Regardless of what you think about the game, conspiracy theories like that are just silly. Publishers don't waste money like that. The trolling theory is far more likely.
Scholar
#58 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 2:54 PM
Quote: Originally posted by monsterfurby
And you know that, because...?

Regardless of what you think about the game, conspiracy theories like that are just silly. Publishers don't waste money like that. The trolling theory is far more likely.


Yikes. I guess you don't know about the paid 'viral marketers' on reddit.

Trust me, it's my automatic reaction to disbelieve conspiracy theories, especially complicated ones, but this one really isn't that complicated and you can outsource people to post reviews and messages online very cheaply.
Lab Assistant
#59 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 3:55 PM
Quote: Originally posted by gwynne
Yikes. I guess you don't know about the paid 'viral marketers' on reddit.

Trust me, it's my automatic reaction to disbelieve conspiracy theories, especially complicated ones, but this one really isn't that complicated and you can outsource people to post reviews and messages online very cheaply.


Working for a fairly large publisher (not EA), I have yet to see that happen in practice. Our head of PR hasn't heard more than allegations of planting paid user reviews either. Yes, you can of course pay people, but I really don't see that as being worth it from a cost-benefit perspective.
Scholar
#60 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 3:58 PM
I heard that the wall telephone is gone...am I right? I'm just wondering because I read a review that said something about wall telephones being gone from the game...Please tell me I'm wrong.
Forum Resident
#61 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 4:10 PM
It was proven that for some bioware game, I think dragon age 2 or Mass Effect 3, Bioware or EA employees had written a positive review about their own game. The account was traced back to them.

Wether you trust metacritic user scores or not, all previous sims games had a positive userscore, sims 3 had one of 7.5 and sims 2 of 8.9.

That's considerably higher than the 4.3 that users give to sims 4.

In case it has not been noticed yet, the person giving it a perfect 10 in the review quoted above seems to be sarcastic.
Forum Resident
#62 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 4:11 PM
Am I the only one that thinks the angarvin43 review is sarcasm and hyperbole? I think it was meant to be funny.

eta: Kind of ninja'd by Inhuman One. :P
Field Researcher
#63 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 4:52 PM
I see catloverplayer on the official forums rates it a 7 out of 10. I'm surprised; he's like the biggest Sims fan there is.

"We've been attributing the state of The Sims 4 to greed but I think it's time to give sheer incompetence another look."
-Honeywell
One Minute Ninja'd
#64 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 6:44 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Nina333


Review: 'Sims 4' Aspires to Greatness and Fails


Well, that review is problematic for EA. It's not even in gaming media, but an AP review posted on ABC News. Given their desire to reach out to a broad base of players, especially new and "casual" players, general media reviews might very well carry greater weight than gaming media reviews in that demographic.

The funny part to that is, IMO, EA did manage to accomplish something positive for the new and casual player. The barrier of entry to play in both CAS and Build mode were lowered in this game. CAS is probably easier for a casual player to get an OK looking sim in than the 3 CAS, and the simplified, modular Build mode is also easier for the non-builder focused player to throw together a quick, but acceptable home for their sims. But the problem is the lack of development in the third leg of this game, namely, live mode. Because that's where most players do spend their time, and that part seemingly got far less love than the first two.

Which goes to show you, the whole experience needs to be nourished and developed, not just areas your market surveys "tell you" are issues for players. Sure, CAS and Build mode needed some simplification for some players, but stripping out game play to reallocate "scarce" resources for those tasks still leaves you with less than you started with. It'll be interesting to see the reviews trickling out now that the game is released. I guess they were rightly concerned with having Day 1 reviews running, which is why they held back release to the media, after all.
Field Researcher
#65 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:01 PM Last edited by BudgieSimBoy : 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:20 PM.
Quote: Originally posted by tonicmole
IGN has their review in progress. So far it's fairly negative.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09...-4-review?watch


I think Dan & Kellie's short first part Play through review was good, Dan certainly was amazed that with the break up and downsizing of worlds that there is also a loading screens between lots, In fact most of the handful of reviews seem to picking up on this fact of loading screens being brought back like Sims 2 after Sims 3 Open world . Kellie's main grip seemed to be with the lack of cast in the removal of cast which seems to be a common theme for players coming from TS3.

Apart from that it was fair look at an early getting to know the game first part review. Thanks for the link tonicmole
Scholar
#66 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:11 PM
From that ABC review:

Quote:
t would be awesome — if it all flawlessly worked. In my review copy of "Sims 4," I ran into many unforgiveable glitches, such as Sim babies resembling Freddy Kruger and Sims awkwardly swapping chairs while gathered around a table. In one instance, a bizarre Rip Van Winkle goof caused all of my neighbors to age faster when I wasn't controlling them. They later died.


Yikes, demon babies appearing in reviewers' games is not good. It seems to be quite widespread, I'm really curious how they missed that one in QA.

My guess is: babby-object is one of the last things that was hurriedly added when they realized players cared about family play, and wasn't thoroughly tested.
Field Researcher
#67 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:17 PM
Quote: Originally posted by gwynne
From that ABC review:



Yikes, demon babies appearing in reviewers' games is not good. It seems to be quite widespread, I'm really curious how they missed that one in QA.

My guess is: babby-object is one of the last things that was hurriedly added when they realized players cared about family play, and wasn't thoroughly tested.


I noticed she made reference to the fact she was playing it on a laptop. Does the demon baby only affect those with low-end video cards?

I agree though, I think the babies were one of the last things they added to the game, just like they were in TS3.

"We've been attributing the state of The Sims 4 to greed but I think it's time to give sheer incompetence another look."
-Honeywell
Field Researcher
#68 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:18 PM
Every time I look at the user score on Metacritic; it gets lower; now it's dropped down to 4.1

"We've been attributing the state of The Sims 4 to greed but I think it's time to give sheer incompetence another look."
-Honeywell
Scholar
#69 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:26 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Glic2000
I noticed she made reference to the fact she was playing it on a laptop. Does the demon baby only affect those with low-end video cards?

I agree though, I think the babies were one of the last things they added to the game, just like they were in TS3.


I don't think low-end cards are the problem, it's possible it's 'laptop', meaning perhaps a problem with an actual discrete gaming card or its drivers; OR it also seems possible it's a dual-chipset problem. Someone here has made another thread about the problem, and they have a typical NVIDIA 7##M / Intel HD #### dual setup. That person thinks their rig is not recognizing the NVIDIA.

I have a friend with a MSI ghost that is NVDIA 860M/Intel 5000 and the game does seem to use the NVIDIA (ONLY once forced to in the NVIDIA control panel), but I don't think any babbies have been spawned there.

So my references are very low. But...I suppose it could be Intel-specific, especially if non-technically-inclined players with dual video don't realize the game isn't being recognized automatically as something that should kick in the 'real' video chip, as I have personally witnessed it fail to do. So I just talked myself around to the opposite argument of my opening sentence. That is very much the kind of week I am having.
Lab Assistant
#70 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 8:51 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Glic2000
Every time I look at the user score on Metacritic; it gets lower; now it's dropped down to 4.1


Now 4.0 lol
Lab Assistant
#71 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 9:01 PM
Demon babies....

I agree with Gwynne - I don't think it's a low end graphics card issue. I have a Nvidia GT 740m that is supposed to run this game on high/medium. I can't even get the game to recognize the card, it keeps finding my Intel card that runs it on medium/low. Yes, I did all the forcing...etc...etc...nothing will work. It appears to me (I can't verify this) that the game is attempting to use both cards and causing a glitch. The game found/matched the wrong one and wants to use that one. I over rode it in global settings and my device wants the game to use the other card. Conflict....demon babies are spawned.

Also, the reason it was missed in QA is because those are probably monster desktops that run the game on uber high settings.

They should have tested it on a middle-range laptop as well. Heck, when the recommended specs were released? They didn't even include laptop cards in it. Remember?

Hmmm...laptop mode...wonders if switching to that will fix the babies but I don't want to lose visual quality when I can just age up those objects for now.
Scholar
#72 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 9:11 PM
Quote: Originally posted by LucyVP86
Demon babies....

I agree with Gwynne - I don't think it's a low end graphics card issue. I have a Nvidia GT 740m that is supposed to run this game on high/medium. I can't even get the game to recognize the card, it keeps finding my Intel card that runs it on medium/low. Yes, I did all the forcing...etc...etc...nothing will work. It appears to me (I can't verify this) that the game is attempting to use both cards and causing a glitch. The game found/matched the wrong one and wants to use that one. I over rode it in global settings and my device wants the game to use the other card. Conflict....demon babies are spawned.

Also, the reason it was missed in QA is because those are probably monster desktops that run the game on uber high settings.

They should have tested it on a middle-range laptop as well. Heck, when the recommended specs were released? They didn't even include laptop cards in it. Remember?

Hmmm...laptop mode...wonders if switching to that will fix the babies but I don't want to lose visual quality when I can just age up those objects for now.


At my office we test on different ranges of hardware including really old crap. (A decision I frequently make: "toss it or give it to QA".) That said, I don't think we test on laptops. Okay, I know we don't test on laptops, so I don't know why I'm being coy about it. Maybe this is something QA departments in general should reconsider.
Theorist
#73 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 10:50 PM
Back to "official site reviews." I put Sims 4 poor reviews in Google. Came up with a bunch. Some site called Craveonline (are we allowed to post names of review sites here?) said it was getting trashed over on Amazon. They also showed features you didn't know were in the game. Some look cool, yes... I am not anti or pro as I don't have the game. I just like to read all sides of the story. Continues to tank at Metacritic at a humble 3.9.

I wish they had listened to the REAL long term fans...I know you cannot please everyone but....

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
Lab Assistant
#74 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 10:54 PM
Field Researcher
#75 Old 3rd Sep 2014 at 11:03 PM
Quote: Originally posted by HCAC
Back to "official site reviews." I put Sims 4 poor reviews in Google. Came up with a bunch. Some site called Craveonline (are we allowed to post names of review sites here?) said it was getting trashed over on Amazon. They also showed features you didn't know were in the game. Some look cool, yes... I am not anti or pro as I don't have the game. I just like to read all sides of the story. Continues to tank at Metacritic at a humble 3.9.

I wish they had listened to the REAL long term fans...I know you cannot please everyone but....

Wow has the person who wrote the review at Craveonline played it ?

The Sims 4 First Impressions – The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Careers are very shallow. Maxis has re-introduced the “warp” style of the original The Sims, where instead of going to a work location or having any interaction at all, your character disappears after entering a car, only to reappear once work is over. There are some tasks to be done, such as making friends and improving skills, in order to get promotions, but that’s it. If you enjoyed the Ambitions expansion of The Sims 3, you may be sorely disappointed with The Sims 4.
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