Removing Necklace's from Clothes?

knightguy82

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#1

15th Sep 2009 at 10:41 PM

Removing Necklace's from Clothes?

using Delphy's CAS Texture+Unitool how can i remove a necklace from a top i'm editting? its not recolorable so its not in patterns that i can see

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daluved1

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#2

15th Sep 2009 at 10:51 PM

Necklaces are usually an Overlay added on top of the base texture. The easiest way to remove them is to open up whatever CAS part you're trying to change and extract the Overlay texture. Open up the overlay in an image program of your choice then completely black out the alpha channel of said overlay. Re-save the image and import back into CTU.

Alternatively you can just type in the key number of an already blank overlay from another CAS part....although this is more trouble than simply importing a new texture.

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knightguy82

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#3

16th Sep 2009 at 6:36 AM

whats a good "free" image program to use?

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jonha

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#4

16th Sep 2009 at 8:40 AM

Gimp is good, but not very easy for beginners.

But you don't have to "blacken" the "alpha channel". It's way easier, to just import the overlay, and simply use the rubber / tool or just delete the necklace using a selection. This way, you won't kill buttons, etc. too

If you want just set the overlay to empty, there are easiert ways. In ctu, you can for example replace the overlay key with "key:00B2D882:00000000:34CC2DBA7857B5CB", that is the game's default empty overlay.

knightguy82

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#5

16th Sep 2009 at 9:37 AM

the necklace seems to be apart of the top..

i am looking in right place right? Texture Details: Base Texture

i use Adobe PhotoDeluxe Home Edition 4.0 with a plugin but i dont know if i need change any of the settings before saving... since Ms Paint cant open DDS files

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jonha

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#6

16th Sep 2009 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by knightguy82

the necklace seems to be apart of the top..

i am looking in right place right? Texture Details: Base Texture

Depends on the clothing. In this case you seem to need to edit the base texture, in other cases you wil need the overlay, and sometimes you maybe need to edit even both.

Quote:

i use Adobe PhotoDeluxe Home Edition 4.0 with a plugin but i dont know if i need change any of the settings before saving... since Ms Paint cant open DDS files

You should change the Following:
DXT3 to DXT5
select Generate Mipmaps
And set mipmap generation to either Cubic or Kaiser for higher quality

Looks OK otherwise

knightguy82

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#7

16th Sep 2009 at 11:34 AM Last edited by knightguy82 : 16th Sep 2009 at 12:36 PM. Reason: add images

urgh now it i removed necklaces from textures i seen an saved the files with changes noted an now the necklace is showing up as black

is there anywhere else i might look? i'm sure i'm missing something but till i get the hang of this i havent a clue what lol

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dose exporting the texture an replacing it import the new Alpha channel? that might explain the black line i think

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daluved1

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#8

16th Sep 2009 at 12:23 PM

You need to black out the necklace area on the alpha channel

Simply erasing it on the base texture will get you nowhere

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knightguy82

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#9

16th Sep 2009 at 12:30 PM

but how do you black out necklace on the alpha channel?

damn them for changing formats from sims 2 i used know how using SimPE haha

but then they gave you the option if you wanted to import/export the texture or alpha channel

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daluved1

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#10

16th Sep 2009 at 12:36 PM

I personally don't know how to use Photo Deluxe...but you'll want to look for something that says "channels" or maybe "decompose". Or you might want to google how to edit color channels in Phot Deluxe or whatever it's called.

Edit - I believe that last black and white sreenshot you posted was the alpha.

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jonha

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#11

16th Sep 2009 at 1:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by daluved1

You need to black out the necklace area on the alpha channel

Simply erasing it on the base texture will get you nowhere

Erasing it should make the alpha channel black. If not, then it's a very weird image editor.

knightguy82

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#12

16th Sep 2009 at 1:29 PM

i'm downloading Gimp so hopefully i'll get it figured out

least once it downloaded i kindve know what i gotta do *whew*

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daluved1

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#13

16th Sep 2009 at 4:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by jonha

Erasing it should make the alpha channel black. If not, then it's a very weird image editor.

Not with photoshop, the texture and the alpha channels are independent. I think that technique only works with Gimp and Paint.NET...not sure though.

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knightguy82

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#14

16th Sep 2009 at 11:13 PM Last edited by knightguy82 : 16th Sep 2009 at 11:24 PM.

i thought Gimp opened dds files? urgh

nm i found a gimp plugin here http://nifelheim.dyndns.org/~cocidius/dds/#download

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AsakuraStar

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#15

16th Sep 2009 at 11:23 PM

You need a plugin to open DDS files with GIMP. Grab it from here

knightguy82

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#16

16th Sep 2009 at 11:42 PM

haha i edited my post a min after you posted that link but thanks AsakuraStar

now what settings should i save it at? i know DXT5 but theres a few an do i need to change anything else?

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jonha

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#17

17th Sep 2009 at 12:04 AM

The gimp plugin is good for opening DDS files, but produces very bad result when compressing them and doesn't like images with multiple layers.

You can use your settings with DTX5 for testing, but for the final result, I recommend that you use nvdxt for the dxt compression.

I use a batch file like this:

Code:

"C:\program files\NVIDIA Corporation\DDS Utilities\nvdxt.exe" -Sinc -quality_highest -dxt5 -file multiplier.tga 
"C:\program files\NVIDIA Corporation\DDS Utilities\nvdxt.exe" -Sinc -quality_highest -dxt1c -file specular.tga
"C:\program files\NVIDIA Corporation\DDS Utilities\nvdxt.exe" -Sinc -quality_highest -dxt5 -file mask.tga
"C:\program files\NVIDIA Corporation\DDS Utilities\nvdxt.exe" -Sinc -quality_highest -dxt5 -file bumpmap.tga

You probably need to edit file names and path names. And then save the files just as tga in gimp and let nvdxt do the dds conversion.

You can get nvdxt here: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/...ies_legacy.html

knightguy82

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#18

17th Sep 2009 at 1:39 AM

why the hell did they make something so simple have so many damn steps

it was way easier in sims 2 using SimPE lol

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knightguy82

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#19

17th Sep 2009 at 2:12 AM

is photoshop any better?

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daluved1

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#20

17th Sep 2009 at 2:48 AM

I think Photoshop is much more easier to use than Gimp/Paint.NET...albeit I'm a bit biased because I've been using Photoshop since the dawn of time.

I think a good imaging program like Photoshop/Paint Shop Pro is worth shelling out the big bucks for. They're a good longterm investment and you can use them for years.

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knightguy82

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#21

17th Sep 2009 at 3:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by daluved1

I think Photoshop is much more easier to use than Gimp/Paint.NET...albeit I'm a bit biased because I've been using Photoshop since the dawn of time.

I think a good imaging program like Photoshop/Paint Shop Pro is worth shelling out the big bucks for. They're a good longterm investment and you can use them for years.

what program an version you use?

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daluved1

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#22

17th Sep 2009 at 3:15 AM

Adobe Photoshop 7.0

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knightguy82

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#23

17th Sep 2009 at 3:35 AM

would Adobe Photoshop CS4 work just a well? its free to try at least

i cant seem find a download link for Adobe Photoshop 7.0

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#24

17th Sep 2009 at 4:07 AM

If you have a computer capable of running TS3, there's no good reason not to use CS4 (the current version – 7.0 is several years old), it should run just fine on your machine. I don't think you're going to find a 7.0 trial, it's unlikely that Adobe would still support it.

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#25

17th Sep 2009 at 9:26 AM

Or, if the price of the latest version of Photoshop is too steep for your budget (as is the case with me!) you could buy a second-hand copy of an older version, as I did. I use version 6 and it does everything I need to do for The Sims (and for everything else I do, for that matter!). If you don't need the added features in CS4 for other purposes, any version back to 6 will be fine for TS3.

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