In TS1, Sims could hook up with any sex as long as their motives were taken care of. In TS2, I didn't notice much of a change because I once had a gay Sim whose elder nanny flirted with him only one time when he aged up to an adult, and because their relationship was so high, they fell in love. Needless to say, I was irked, especially when I hadn't saved the game in a long time. In TS3, it seemed to have gotten better, and while Sims could technically fall for any sex, it seemed challenging when I tried to make a gay Sim hook up with a straight Sim. In fact, the straight Sim thought my gay Sim was being creepy, and I had to keep apologizing while sexually harassing him all over again in a repeated cycle just to see how far it'd go. It was quite the failure, and my gay Sim never got in the straight Sim's pants, after all, leaving him all blue-balled.

So, how are gay Sims in TS4? I have yet to play it because I'm saving up for a new laptop, hence my curiosity. I assume there is (yet again) no sexuality system. Do you have to perform numerous romantic interactions with the same sex to get them to be consistently gay? Can gay Sims woohoo with the opposite sex without knowing them well now that there's a separate romance bar? I found that in TS3 my gay Sims almost never had issues with being consistent with their sexuality. Is it the same way in TS4? My sister plays TS4, but she's traditional-minded, so I can't exactly expect her to make a test gay Sim for me to find out.

Oh! And is marriage still called marriage for gay couples? I could've sworn it was in TS3.

P.S. I searched for "gay Sims" but there were no threads covering this, so I apologize if there is a thread like this.

Gay sims in TS4 walk on clouds and farts rainbows! Wheee!

Ok on serious note, they are just like normal romantic relationship, except for the fact they can't try for baby. Even so, a mod can change that too.

From my experience sims literally care about nothing. You can get them to easily hook up with anyone you want. Is the other sim in a committed relationship? No biggie, they'll still go for your sim after a couple of flirts. And basically, if the sims is feeling flirty they will pretty much go after anything that moves that's in the appropriate age bracket... so if you don't want them cheating you have to watch them closely.

LOL @ emino

Tamsin88, are you serious? So, then, what's the point of that family-oriented trait? Does it even work? I heard it was supposed to make Sims loyal. I guess that was a rumor.

Yep. Basically all sims can be utter sluts if you want them to be. One of the first things I tried when I created my first playable sim in TS4 (not the CAS Demo) was to see about seducing a married sim and found that it was pulled off pretty easily after a few attempts. I have gotten much better at it and it gets easier as you learn the tricks so to speak.

I'm an uber-straight dominant male in real life but I have so many gay and lesbian friends and relatives around me often that I feel no threat, I play my sims both male and female like myself when it comes to sexuality... Which oddly means that 99% of my male sims like girl sims and most of, if not all of, my female sims like girl sims to... So playing gay or straight not a problem in this game, whatever floats your sim boat. Straight guy wants to seduce a married mother sim, no problems. Lesbian sim wants to seduce the same married mother sim, no problems. Want to lure the married mother sim away from her husband sim, no problems. Want to lure her back and forth between your straight and lesbian sim many times, no problems. Want to lure your lesbian sim away from the ping-pong ball of a mother sim into a straight relationship with your straight sim, no problems.

No challenge. You can literally make any townie sim (or self created sim in another family/relationship) into your sexual bitch at the drop of a proverbial hat. Have some flirty mood setting items about the house and they become your sexual sim slave. In previous incarnations of the franchise (well, 1 & 2 I think, didn't play 3 a lot?), at least it was a challenge when a sim's first romantic encounter set their preference and you really had to work at bringing them over to your sexual preference side... Sometimes too easy is to damn easy. Was fun to begin with but gets old. I challenge myself not to just have seduction households and play like 'normal' people probably do...

-- The Roc

Not noticed any traits that make it harder, not even the loner or non-committed when you put in a small effort to seduce them. Family oriented I think justs makes the sim your sim seduced want to have a bigger family regardless if it is with your sim or the one they were with if they were married already... or both? Loners just want have some alone time occasionally, before or after you've had sex with them doesn't matter, I've noticed very little? Non-committed types still like the woohoo as much as any sim, just not with any given sim for the rest of their sim-life.

-- The Roc

MrRoc, that sucks about the hookup experience with your Sims. I could've sworn it wasn't that easy in TS3, but I could be wrong. Twallan was a godsend for TS3 because of Master Controller (was it that mod?) that allowed you to set the sexual preference all the way to a high number for virtually no choice of an inconsistent sexuality. I hope there is a mod similar to that for TS4. Granted, they'll still be sluts, but at least, they'll be consistent sluts.

Look for MC Command Center in TS4 Mods section here.

A mod like that would probably suit me, sort of hardwiring a sexual preference. I won't say I deliberately set out to make all the female sims I play seduce other females, I do sometimes just want female roommates to just be roomies. But inevitably there will be a stage in a session where none have anything they need to be doing and I'm bored with how it is going (and the other sim looks pretty - that seems to play a part?), so I just end up 'going' for it. LOL

Because of my welfare work and the fetish scenes my wife and I moved in, I love all the aspects of human emotions and relationships in the sims - I can play very complex scenarios when I set my mind to it. I'd like to be able to replicate, so to speak, certain relationships, by having hard coded sexualities for my sims for straight, gay/lesbian, bi, and undecided-wishy washy, because hey, some people really do blow in the breeze but don't/can't/won't identify as bisexual or whatever. But I've not seen such a mod yet.

-- The Roc

Emino, thanks! I can't do anything about it now until I get my new laptop, but it's still good to know that it exists. The only good thing about not being able to play the game right now is that, by the time I do get a new laptop, I'll have had all sorts of packs to play with since my sister has been purchasing all the packs with my account (we share it because it's so much cheaper, even though we can't play simultaneously). I can't imagine playing the base game alone.

MrRoc, that's a good way to put it. The Sims can be great for all sorts of things. I do agree that it'd be nice to have a more fluid sexuality for certain Sims. The problem is, whenever you have a Sim perform romantic interactions with a specific sex, the sexuality points for the attraction to the opposite sex reduce. Granted, if you set the number very high with Master Controller, those reduced points won't seem like much.

Gay Sims? Do Sims actually have kind of sexual preferences in the game? I only found Sims trying to seduce every Sim possible...

I just call them gay Sims, but I guess, technically, there is no sexual preference unless you download a mod. I do wish there were an in-game sexual preference feature, but I wonder how much controversy that'd cause. I guess after learning that Sims are hardly faithful to their significant others, a fix for that would be nice to avoid having to watch them like a hawk. I mean, it's kind of ironic that romance is a popular gameplay style, yet true fidelity is nonexistence.

They could simply make a similar option like aging for people denying or hating the existance of non hetero people.

A normal working system based on romance and relations would be nice, because that annoys me from the first Sims game on.

I agree. I don't even know if there's a mod out there for functional fidelity. Personally, the family-oriented and hopeless romantic traits should at least force Sims to be faithful, and leave cheating to the Sims with the commitment issues trait and any other related trait.

I think BioWare was "asked" (to put it mildly) to do something like this for SWTOR over the inclusion of same-sex mini-romances in the game's expansions. IIRC, they rejected the idea because allowing people to completely disable [Flirt] options for NPCs of the same sex as the PC would basically be facilitating discrimination. Granted, SWTOR is an (MMO)RPG, which brings a number of unique concerns to the table, and is produced by an entirely different group of people. But I expect the idea would receive a similar response from the TS4 team.

Still, it would be great if the game gave us more to work with concerning Sims' orientations and preferences.

You'll have to buy a 40 dollar expansion pack to get access to it though! Oh, and don't forget the "Gayfabula Stuff Pack" which contains five sets of wings and pink boots.

I really love how sexually fluid my sims are. They're basically like me in real life, because I often find that gender doesn't matter when I find somebody to be attractive-looking and feel sexually attracted to them. So I like being able to relate to my sims that way.

However, at the same time I'm also highly monogamous and it does bug me a little that my sims aren't entirely monogamous at all. So yes, it would be nice if we could adjust how monogamous they were in nature. heck, why not a polygamous mod too while we're at it.... even though I tend to frown against poly relationships in real life.^^;; yes I know I'm werid as hell.

Isn't that what pansexual is? I've only learned about pansexualism this year, so it's new to me. I think it's cool that you can date anyone regardless of sex and gender identity, and in a sense, Sims are that way, like you mentioned. Imagine if there were a sexuality chooser that included all these different sexualities. I bet some parents of teen and younger Simmers would throw a fit.



I feel the same way. In TS3, I didn't have much of an issue only because I made my couples spend more time with each other, so they never really had the chance to cheat. And then, that wretched full moon "curse" that came with Supernatural that forced Sims to slap and kiss random Sims, regardless of sex. I still hold on to the mod for that very dearly, and without it, I wouldn't play the game. This is why mods are so valuable. Imagine a completely mod-free game? Well, I guess some Simmers play that way, but I sure don't. I couldn't.

I wrote a mod to show/change gender preferences quite a long time ago, but I've never gotten around to improving how gender preference actually works in the game. I guess I just never cared enough to work on it, but I did have some ideas. I've found the numbers change so wildly in the game that there's currently very little purpose to them.

I just trying yesterday to make my sim seduce another male. Easy as pie, unfortunately. and when they kissing in front of public (accidentally), people are just ignoring them. Honestly, I want some negative reaction from NPCs so there are some challenge and interesting stories since I really want him to have many boyfriends

I really wish there was a sexuality system that we could select and sims would be born with because I think it'd be more interesting. Like when they become a teen you can select their sexuality.



I also wish we could choose "relationship style" too. Being able to choose between monogamous, non-monogamous, and polyamory. polyamory isn't the one where a guy has a bunch of wives (polygyny). F that sexist practice.

They don't seem to all be naturally bisexual to me.

I have one lesbian sim who was trying to woo her neighbour, but she didn't take her advances very well. The neighbour had never flirted with anyone (fresh out of CAS) and she was very good friends with my sim.

That could just be because she's not in a flirty mood or she's already married/attached. Some sims will reject advances if they aren't flirty or they will reject if they are married/taken (seems to be a small amount of them- romantic sims will flirt with everything lol). If you are persistent though you can basically override these.

The neighbour had the Romantic trait and the Happy emotion. In any case, I just got them up to BFF and then she didn't reject my sim anymore.

it seems like sims dont build romantic relationships on their own in my game i wish they could fix that