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#1 Old 5th Sep 2015 at 6:04 PM Last edited by hamburgerdress : 18th Sep 2015 at 4:29 AM.

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Default alien offspring looks human (something wrong with my multi-pt mod?)
didn't really know which category i should've put this in so i just put it in "other" as you probably already have read if you klicked on this

anyway, i'm trying to make my own multi-pt mod for my own personal use, but whenever i test it out in game, the only thing alien about the alien offspring is their facial structure. everything else (hair, eyes, skin) is human. i don't know what i'm doing wrong. whenever i check in SimPE it says that the offspring have the alien skin and eyes and that they're dominant, yet they're not showing up in game, and the alien abductors' hair color, which is black hair, is supposed to be dominant, but it's treated as recessive (sometimes, not always). so, in other words, if i have a blond sim who gets abducted, my alien baby will (not always) have the same hair color as the human parent, even if the alien gene donor has black hair. sometimes the offspring even inherits completely random hair colors that has nothing to do with either the alien gene donor or the sim carrying the alien baby.

i have also tried removing my multi-pt mod (in a safe way which didn't corrupt the neighborhood) to see if being abducted by the original pollination technician would result in the same, but that was not the case. the offspring came out just fine, so, it seems that the problem lies in my multi-pt mod. it's gotta be something i've done wrong, however i do not know whatever it is that i actually did wrong. i've tried making the multi-pt mod over again from scratch, with the same sims as gene donors, but i was left with the same result.

also: i use the regular alien eyes and skin when creating my alien gene donors, so there's no custum content involved. well, except for the default replacements that i use, but that should have no effect on whether the multi-pt will mess up or not.

and lastly, i've been very sleepy as i've been typing this, so i might have been unclear at some points, and for that i'm sorry. please ask if you need some kind of clarification on anything
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#2 Old 6th Sep 2015 at 11:49 PM
That sounds strange. I do know it's possible for the alien babies to have human skin and/or eyes but it's rare. For example see attached twins of Lazlo Curious and the default PT. One has alien skin/eyes/face structure and the other has alien skin, but human eyes and what looks like a human facial structure (he grew up more alien-like.)

Did you save before birth and reload multiple times with the same mod in to check it's not a random number glitch? Did you roll the pacifier first?
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#3 Old 7th Sep 2015 at 12:34 AM
One of my alien babies has the PT's face but his mother's skintone (yes it was a woman who got preggers with the alien )
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#4 Old 7th Sep 2015 at 12:55 AM Last edited by joandsarah77 : 7th Sep 2015 at 1:07 AM.
Here is one of my alien abduction toddlers
All her dads genetics. :/ So yes it's very possible to have a very human alien, they will however be carrying the other genes which could show up in their own kids.

her birth to show she is an alien

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#5 Old 8th Sep 2015 at 10:09 AM
Quote: Originally posted by simsfreq
That sounds strange. I do know it's possible for the alien babies to have human skin and/or eyes but it's rare. For example see attached twins of Lazlo Curious and the default PT. One has alien skin/eyes/face structure and the other has alien skin, but human eyes and what looks like a human facial structure (he grew up more alien-like.)

Did you save before birth and reload multiple times with the same mod in to check it's not a random number glitch? Did you roll the pacifier first?


this is what i did:
i have a test hood that i use to test new mods and other things, so that if something goes wrong, it won't affect my other neighborhoods. i made two sims, got them pregnant with insim and had them give birth to the aliens. both parents had normal looking babies, except for their facial structures, which were the same of the alien parents. i did the same again, without exiting, and the same happened. i tried many times but i always got the same results. i exited without saving and tried again and got the same results. when i removed the mod and did the same to get a normal alien baby, the baby had the usual alien appearance.

i haven't tried anyone elses multi pt mod, so i don't know if this is something that happens with all multi pt mods or just mine. i don't think this is what's causing the problem i'm getting, but maybe there's a mod that's conflicting with the multi pt mod? does anyone know if such a mod exists?
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#6 Old 8th Sep 2015 at 10:37 AM
Pretty alien toddler, @Jo
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#7 Old 8th Sep 2015 at 11:08 AM
@hamburgerdress Do you use custom skins? I think you said you don't, but what you're describing sounds an awful lot like the old dominant custom skin problem. Do you have a link to the defaults you're using?

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#8 Old 8th Sep 2015 at 4:12 PM
I use a multi-PT mod and all my alien babies got a green skin. I didn't know they could get their human parent skin color.
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#9 Old 9th Sep 2015 at 6:52 AM
Quote: Originally posted by esmeiolanthe
@hamburgerdress Do you use custom skins? I think you said you don't, but what you're describing sounds an awful lot like the old dominant custom skin problem. Do you have a link to the defaults you're using?


i use custom skins, but not for my aliens. i use the regular eaxis alien skin, only it's replaced with this
also, i geneticize all of my custom skins, so they shouldn't dominate over the alien skin. same goes for the custom eyes i use
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#10 Old 9th Sep 2015 at 11:14 AM Last edited by esmeiolanthe : 9th Sep 2015 at 11:49 AM.
It sounds to me like you made a mistake when geneticizing your skins, then. You started with custom, non-geneticized skins, and they're still acting non-geneticized. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about geneticizing to be able to troubleshoot and fix the problem, but hopefully someone else can.

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#11 Old 18th Sep 2015 at 4:26 AM
Quote: Originally posted by esmeiolanthe
It sounds to me like you made a mistake when geneticizing your skins, then. You started with custom, non-geneticized skins, and they're still acting non-geneticized. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about geneticizing to be able to troubleshoot and fix the problem, but hopefully someone else can.


this is not true, i know this because i took out my multi pt mod and tried having alien babies without it, and all my aliens came out looking as they should. also, most of the skins i download are already geneticized, i just re-geneticize them so that they're all on the same spectrum, so even if i had made a mistake when geneticizing my skins, they should still have their original values.
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#12 Old 18th Sep 2015 at 11:38 AM Last edited by esmeiolanthe : 18th Sep 2015 at 11:51 AM.
You now have a very valuable diagnostic result: with the mod, skins work correctly. Without the mod, they do not. Therefore, there is something wrong with your multi-PT mod. Hopefully someone who knows more about multi-PT mods can help figure out what, because I don't know about them. Rereading after some caffeine, I see that you already knew that.

Your second assertion, that if you made a mistake when geneticizing your skins, they should still have their original values, I don't think is correct. As I understand it, there are many values you can use when geneticizing, not just A or B. If you put the decimal point in the wrong place or typed an 8 instead of a 2, you could probably make a skintone far too dominant fairly easily. You can test whether you actually did so by taking a sim with a skintone you fiddled with and a sim with a Maxis skintone and having them have lots of babies. (Preferably multiple sims with Maxis skintones, like S1 and S4.) If you come out with the same problem on a regular basis. then you messed up something with the skintone. If everything behaves as expected, then you did something wrong when you transferred the skintone into the multi-PT mod.

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#13 Old 18th Sep 2015 at 11:02 PM
http://www.modthesims.info/download...7890#post557890
did you get the kit from that post?
if so, did you do all steps correctly?

if you did any step incorrectly (and/or if the alien is not what you want), probably start over.
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#14 Old 19th Sep 2015 at 6:45 AM
Quote: Originally posted by esmeiolanthe
You now have a very valuable diagnostic result: with the mod, skins work correctly. Without the mod, they do not. Therefore, there is something wrong with your multi-PT mod. Hopefully someone who knows more about multi-PT mods can help figure out what, because I don't know about them. Rereading after some caffeine, I see that you already knew that.

Your second assertion, that if you made a mistake when geneticizing your skins, they should still have their original values, I don't think is correct. As I understand it, there are many values you can use when geneticizing, not just A or B. If you put the decimal point in the wrong place or typed an 8 instead of a 2, you could probably make a skintone far too dominant fairly easily. You can test whether you actually did so by taking a sim with a skintone you fiddled with and a sim with a Maxis skintone and having them have lots of babies. (Preferably multiple sims with Maxis skintones, like S1 and S4.) If you come out with the same problem on a regular basis. then you messed up something with the skintone. If everything behaves as expected, then you did something wrong when you transferred the skintone into the multi-PT mod.


yes, i know, however, even if i accidentally wrote the wrong value, no skin should, as far as i know, dominate over the alien skin, because the alien skin has no value. it's at 0, and 0 dominate over everything. i've had babies in game before, and no skin has ever worked incorrectly (though, i might've missed testing some skins). i don't think the fault lies there, instead, i think i must have messed up the actual multi pt mod, and not any of my skins

edit: i forgot to add, but you proably already know, the only skins that can dominate over alien skins are ungeneticized custom skins (they are also set at 0), but all of my skins are geneticized. even if they've accidentally been given an incorrect number, they still have a number that's higher than 0
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#15 Old 19th Sep 2015 at 6:49 AM
Quote: Originally posted by mdsb759
http://www.modthesims.info/download...7890#post557890
did you get the kit from that post?
if so, did you do all steps correctly?

if you did any step incorrectly (and/or if the alien is not what you want), probably start over.


yep, i got it from that post, and i'm pretty sure i did all the steps correctly. i tried two times, actually, but i guess i'll have to start over a third time to see if i get any different results
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#16 Old 19th Sep 2015 at 6:11 PM
I just downloaded this hack cuz I hate that one PT guy...all my alien babies are related! does this hack work?

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#17 Old 20th Sep 2015 at 7:23 AM
Quote: Originally posted by DizzyBoo
I just downloaded this hack cuz I hate that one PT guy...all my alien babies are related! does this hack work?

Uhm, if you downloaded a PT replacement, the father of your alien baby should be one of the aliens from the hack you downloaded (unless your replacement only has 1 PT) and when you say 'this hack' I hope you aren't talking about the PT kit fwiffo made.
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#18 Old 21st Sep 2015 at 7:22 PM
Quote: Originally posted by hamburgerdress
this is what i did:
i have a test hood that i use to test new mods and other things, so that if something goes wrong, it won't affect my other neighborhoods. i made two sims, got them pregnant with insim and had them give birth to the aliens. both parents had normal looking babies, except for their facial structures, which were the same of the alien parents. i did the same again, without exiting, and the same happened. i tried many times but i always got the same results. i exited without saving and tried again and got the same results. when i removed the mod and did the same to get a normal alien baby, the baby had the usual alien appearance.


I've emphasised the part I think is relevant here. I wonder if you're suffering firstborn syndrome ? Though it would be pretty unlikely that both sets of parents would have the same issue.

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#19 Old 21st Sep 2015 at 8:20 PM
Quote: Originally posted by simsfreq
I've emphasised the part I think is relevant here. I wonder if you're suffering firstborn syndrome ? Though it would be pretty unlikely that both sets of parents would have the same issue.


well, there's 4 different pt's and i tried having alien babies with multiply different sims, so i don't think that's what causing it. plus, i've heard that if you randominize genetics in cas it should "shake up" the genetics system, thus resulting in more genetic variety when you have babies in game, so i tend to always do this when i know my sims are close to giving birth. also, i only exited the lot, not the entire game.
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#20 Old 21st Sep 2015 at 9:31 PM
Exiting the lot without saving and trying the birth again only changes the gender of the baby. It doesn't prevent firstborn syndrome or change genetics. A better test would be repeated pregnancies with the same sim on the same lot in the same play session. Use the Blender to initiate and accelerate the pregnancies, and you can have some consistent data with controlled variables in no time. Each accelerated pregnancy will take about five minutes start to finish, so you could knock out seven babies in less than an hour. That will give you much better data than your current apparently near-random method of testing.

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#21 Old 21st Sep 2015 at 10:26 PM
Quote: Originally posted by MileyTheSimmer
Uhm, if you downloaded a PT replacement, the father of your alien baby should be one of the aliens from the hack you downloaded (unless your replacement only has 1 PT) and when you say 'this hack' I hope you aren't talking about the PT kit fwiffo made.


Well I did download it but then found a better one! I got Boiling Oil's mod. And I love it

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#22 Old 23rd Sep 2015 at 12:13 AM
Quote: Originally posted by esmeiolanthe
Exiting the lot without saving and trying the birth again only changes the gender of the baby. It doesn't prevent firstborn syndrome or change genetics. A better test would be repeated pregnancies with the same sim on the same lot in the same play session. Use the Blender to initiate and accelerate the pregnancies, and you can have some consistent data with controlled variables in no time. Each accelerated pregnancy will take about five minutes start to finish, so you could knock out seven babies in less than an hour. That will give you much better data than your current apparently near-random method of testing.


that's literally exactly what i've done. i only exited without saving because there were too many sims on the lot. and also, exiting without saving does actually change the genetics. or, at least it does for me. i always save before giving birth, in case the babies skin turns out to be lighter or darker than the parents'. if that happens, i just exit and give birth again. that's why i regeneticized all of my skins, because all creators geneticize skins on their own spectrums so if u happen to download skins from two different creators, things, or in this case babies, will almost never turn out good
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#23 Old 16th Oct 2015 at 8:16 PM
I'm having a very similar issue. I'm using a multi PT mod and all abduction babies are born with the skintone & eyes of their non-alien parent. When I remove the PT mod, the babies are born with my default replacement alien skintone & eyes. I've tried at least three different mods by different creators, and I've tested using the Maxis default skins so I know my CC isn't the issue. Does anyone know what could be going on here?
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