I was wondering about asking her (Sophie) to move in, but there probably isn't a strong enough relationship with Dustin. If I were Dustin I'd ask Angela to move in and then both would stop going to school. (I have a mod that lets teens invite each other to move in.) That new baby is going to need a lot of attention. I'd have at Dustin and Angela enrol in Simlogical Flexi-School, which means they don't go to school, but they don't lose grades. Then at least one of them can take a teen job. (I played the Newsons that way for several real years!) You may even find a way to let one of them get an adult job, once they've reached the top of the teen career. They might also think about selling that pinball machine. The sooner they sell it, the better a price they'll got. In my game it was sold long ago. It wasn't really theirs -- Dustin was "minding" it for Gordon King, but it was getting too "hot", so Dustin sold it. He had to pay Gordon of course, but he actually got far more for it than he paid to Gordon. (Don't tell Gordon!!)

I understand that the official school leaving age in Veronaville is 14, but nobody really enforces school attendance for anyone over eleven. I suppose it's what comes from having a 14-year-old head of state (Her Esteemed Grace, Juliette Capp, Grand Duchess of Veronaville). I know of at least one much younger child who never goes to school, because his dad says he needs him to help run his shop! But he says he's teaching his son how to run a business -- "far more useful than any book-learning!"

Anyway, I wish Dustin the best of luck! He'll need it!

Yeah, I just remembered Inge Flexi school .. I didn't have it installed so I had to quit and put it in .. so while he still had to quit his criminal job, nor did he really stand the change of goin to college, at least he'll graduate school .. I think they should have enough money from Brandi's life insurance that paid out for them to be able to do w/o Dustin needin to work just yet .. ok, just put the mods in so now to restart the game and finish this round of the Broke house

I really don't think that Angela's parents would be happy about her moving in with Dustin and dropping out of school. They already consider him a bad influence. This would just confirm it.

Making her stay home and look after a baby that isn't even hers and ensuring that she won't be able to go to college and get a decent job? Yeah, they would not be happy!

I agree. However, is there a way for maybe the Pleasants could adopt the Broke children? I know that Dustin and Daniel don't get along, but maybe the Pleasants take them in for good sake. Taking in orphans would be a great headline for Mary-Sue's career and public reputation.

If that's not an option, where's Gordon King? Could he move in and become the kids adopted father?

Daniel is too busy cheating and Mary-Sue doesn't really seem to care about her own children.

I'm not sure that raising them into a life of crime is a good idea either lol.

Well, outside of social services, I guess Dustin is on his own then.

It's strange how Pleasantview isn't a type of town that will come together and help a family in need. Weren't Brandi friends with Nina and Dina? What are they up to? I'm sure they plenty of time to raise a couple of minors,

I don't care for the EAxis set of pairin for the Pleasant twins and rarely keep them. If after I remove their crush, love, steady and so forth from reach other and let them be friends .. most times they actually get the .. sorry brain fart here, but the opposite of bolts .. when they say "yeah, not interested them" .. There was a few times when one of the twins got back with the EAxis set love interest .. but funnily enough I also had it so that Lilith was attracted to Dustin a couple of times.



I agree with this.

I did install Inge's Flexit school .. however I had some issues gettin it to work .. I posted in stupid questions thread for some help, but things where not to be :/ .. this is what I said over there



So, sadly we'll never know how things coulda turned out .. which really bummed me out as I wanted to try and have Dustin make it work .. should this happen in another play through I will let it happen and see where it leads .. :D

Would friends in RL really help you raise your baby? I mean, sure they might babysit occasionally or buy you some diapers, but actually helping raise the child?

I think, however, that Pleasantview as a name is kind of a joke, because the town is full of not so pleasant stuff. XD

Well - yeah? It's something that happens all the time, actually. Your friends are part of your support network, and any decent support network is a lot more likely to take care of your kids when you can't than strangers are. Brandi doesn't have any blood kin remaining, but if Brandi has close friends they would probably, if nothing else, keep tabs on her sons and help them with things like staying in school.

It's a sad state for Pleasantview when Don is looking like the best caretaker material here, since, you know, he has a steady job.

he may not be the best when it comes to marriage material .. but he's generally been a really good dad in my games

My first thought was, "I couldn't care less what her parents think! Angela and Dustin should do what's right for them!" I may be in my 70s now, but at heart I fear I'm still an irresponsible teenager. Probably more irresponsible now than I was when I was really in my teens.

Mary-Sue and Daniel-- especially Daniel -- have proved themselves to be some of the worst parents I've ever come across.Their treatment of Lilith borders on the unforgivable. As Angela, whom I believe to be basically a good person, learns to think for herself, she will -- and indeed should -- pay less and less attention to trying to please her parents. I think Dustin shows more real love to her than they've ever done.

I find Don better as someone who brings people together. With ACR, my Don Lo got turned into the town's bicycle as visiting ladies, including Lilith and her cousins, had their way with him . He asked the townies amongst them to come live together with him. With that, they advanced their careers together, and left to found a mansion named after him. The ladies, adhering to Don's words, befriended more people, found their own families and so on.

He has a daughter, but she's an alien. He was also nearing the old age so he had her adopted by Tosha Go and did not even get to even visit the mansion before he passed away.

Well she has to care what her parents think until she's 18 and isn't a minor anymore. But I honestly don't think that the best thing for her is to drop out of school to raise a baby. If Dustin does care for her then he'd want her to succeed.

Until our oldest child turned eighteen, a very good friend was named as guardian for our minor children. Fortunately it never worked out that their courtesy uncle had to raise them, but the situation with blood relatives was always such that a single, childless guy was a better choice than actual family. Would have sucked for all involved, especially my husband and I as we'd have been dead! NotUncle had agreed to the situation, knowing how much it would affect his life, but he adores his NotNephews and NotNieces, and they do him. (In fact, he's so much a part of the family that my oldest was eighteen before it clicked in his brain that NotUncle was in fact not my biological younger brother, even though I have no siblings and he knew that.) Now the adult children would get custody of the younger, and they'd make it work. They're all very good young people.

I'm resurrecting this thread to ask for opinions on W.C. Micklethwaite, my sims' butler. (I am not asking for mod help- I already have all of the mods I want for this hood, I am purely asking from a storytelling point of view )



He is currently employed by the Gooberdapples, who are both working sims. They have a teen daughter and toddler twins.

The dilemma is- he's a good butler at some things, but at other things he sucks. And, he complains all of the time! So he obviously hates his job.

Should my sims keep him, or let him go?

Reasons to keep him:


Reasons to let him go:


Reasons why I want the Gooberdapples to keep him-
He's amusing (on account of his short, chubby stature), and causes drama. And he blames me for everything!

Reasons why I want the Gooberdapples to let him go-
He could retire and have a happy life as a townie (I like this idea because he will keep his butler behaviours when on lots, which can be entertaining )
I could generate a new butler- hurrah! (I like making characters).

So, should I let poor Micklethwaite out of his misery, and retire him? Or should I keep him with the family that is obviously quite fond of him?

So you have a pyromaniac butler who who won't shut up about cleaning, and his food sucks when he isn't burning down the house?

Retire him and spawn a new one-but make the new one read a couple of cooking books before you let them do the cooking!

Burned lobster ain't cutting it!

He could even: move in next door and so the family would be able to see him every day!

Can you invite butlers to move in?

I think you can even marry them, so moving in should be fine.

By the sound of it he'll have to be let go anyway once the family runs out of money to pay him, because of installing new kitchens lol. Or they could invest in a sprinkler.

Oh yes you can! You can move them in, and get married to them, the whole nine yards.

I completely forgot about my Tinsel Town couple where the wife hired a butler, they fell in love with each other, and she kicked out her husband to let the butler take over his duties.

The husband was not happy and so he killed both of them.

They invested in one of those today, to go with the replacement kitchen!

Yikes. Plot twist at the end!

I think you know me well enough to know that, if it were in my game, I'd have to let him retire; my nerves simply couldn't cope with all the fires. (In reality I needed only one moderately severe fire to put in Squinge's No More Fires mod. Nobody died and nothing was destroyed, but the lovely but silly child-like McBain teens couldn’t resist running to look at the fire, and the Veronaville Fire Brigade's response time was not up to its usual high standard. In the end I locked Gerry and Glenda in their rooms for their own safety!)

Even in retirement, I'm sure he'd still be a friend of the family. They could invite him round every day and feed him with food that wasn't burnt, and hadn't been cooked in a kitchen that was burning down! That might even make him a little less grumpy.

Being a little bit vertically challenged myself (I hang out with Sim teens because they're closer to me in height than the adults!) I see Mr. Micklethwaite as a bit of a fellow spirit!

My first instinct is to say, @simsample, how is this even a question--this butler is perfect for your game, causing the exact type of drama you seem to love. I did a doubletake to see who asking the question!

But I can see how for the family it's not exactly fair to keep paying for new kitchens. So yeah, I think you should let him go, but maybe make him playable? Surely someone who made such a (good?) impact on your game deserves to be played a little bit, right? Plus, those who can't do, supposedly teach--I could see Micklethwaite starting a Butler academy or something. He might be better at training someone else to do what he couldn't. Anyway, he'll need some way to earn money because I also think the Gooberdapples should sue for damages! Make him pay for all those expensive kitchen remodels.

Maybe Micklethwaite should start his own appliance store?

"And this one, ladies and gents, is fireproof. Allow me to demonstrate!"