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#1 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 11:08 AM
Default How to make visitors go to the right front door?
Hi y'all.

I have AL. Since I play some apartments with garages, I use the NoEntryThroughGarageDoor mod, since Sims will go through ANY door except the apartment door.

Back to residental lots. I usually build them in a way that the real entrance to the house is elevated, ie on a deck (and to get there, Sims need to walk up those four stairs). Since I have the NETGD mod, I need to make doors for my Sims to get out of the garage. I build the garage seperately.

The thing is, visitors will only ring bell on the garage door (not the big car doors, but the back door).

If I delete those doors (the backdoors) visitors will ring bell to the 'real' main doors. If I fence around the backdoor garage doors, visitors will still ring at the backdoors. If I build a fence and then lock the fence (Household Only) around the backdoors visitors will stand at the lot portal. Also the pizza man will never ring, the newspapers are going to be delivered at the edge of the lot and Rod Humble will also give me his present at the far edge of the lot.

Is there any way to set a front door, with an object, or with a cheat like in Sims3? Thank you.

Jonain päivänä mä toivon, että pääsen käymään Suomessa – ja heti perillä unohdan kaiken, mitä oon oppinut suomen kielestä, ja sanon vaan 'kahvia'.
DJ. who?
Instructor
#2 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 11:39 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Peni Griffin
I discovered another cause of the "front door in back problem!" I'm so stoked.

You know how sometimes it says "interior door" or "front door" in the catalog description? Those are serious! If an interior door is used as the front door and an exterior door is used as the back, the newspaper, garden club lady, Mr. Humble, etc., will all go round to the back. Presumably this coding carries over from one door to its clones.

Since I discovered this while troubleshooting Widespot, I can also tell you that the programming for distinguishing between interior and exterior doors changes with different EPs, as solving the problem in base game didn't necessarily solve it in playtest with all EPs. My playtest was not thorough enough to tell you which EPs do and do not make the distinction, but my suggestion is, that if the usual dodge of deleting and replacing the door doesn't work, you try changing to a different door.

Even Mootilda did not know this. Even if nobody but the playtesters ever plays Widespot, I feel like I've now made a useful contribution to the community!


I saw this a few days ago posted in what did you discover thread, maybe this will help?
Mad Poster
#3 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 12:44 PM
That's only going to help her if that's the actual problem, of course. Somebody on here has said that the lowest door is always recognized as the front, and if that's her problem then she can't fix it unless she changes the design on her houses and stops putting them on foundations, or uses the stage tool to create a kind of loading dock in the garage to which the small door would be attached; but it's hard to think of a reason to have a loading dock in a residential garage.

I had this problem at the frat after I installed their garage, but since I knew about the front-doors-placed-last peculiarity and not about the lowest door peculiarity at the time, I deleted both doors and replaced the front door second, and since then date rewards have landed at the mailbox again. Which implies that the lowest door peculiarity has exceptions, and that might be a matter of which door is used.

So I think DJ should try the door-replacement method, and make sure that the small garage door is labeled as "interior" in the catalog, and see if this double-whammy is enough to overcome the lowest-door-as-front coding.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
(My simblr isSim Media Res . Widespot,Widespot RFD: The Subhood, and Land Grant University are all available here. In case you care.)
Mad Poster
#4 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 5:55 PM
Sell all out-door doors and rebuy the frist out-door (exterior) you want as your front door then buy all the others.

If this does not work then only use interior for all but the front door.
Site Helper
#5 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 6:30 PM
You could also try MATY's front door hack:
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/s...pic,1483.0.html
The Great AntiJen
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#6 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 8:05 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Peni Griffin
Somebody on here has said that the lowest door is always recognized as the front, and if that's her problem then she can't fix it unless she changes the design on her houses and stops putting them on foundations, or uses the stage tool to create a kind of loading dock in the garage to which the small door would be attached; but it's hard to think of a reason to have a loading dock in a residential garage.

As I understood Pescado (when I DL his hack), the game looks for the nearest door on the ground level first - hence it will pick the garage door. His front door hack helps though not always. The game will also pick basement doors since basement doors, if you build them properly with a wall and door onto the outside, are sitting on the deformed-downwards ground level. At the Goths, the visitors used to go round the back of the house and down the steps to the basement (cellar) door. Idiots.

As I said, Pescado's hack helps some of the time - I'm wondering if the apartment milk bottle hacked object might help. I could try that out.

I no longer come over to MTS very often but if you would like to ask me a question then you can find me on tumblr or my own site tflc. TFLC has an archive of all my CC downloads.
I'm here on tumblr and my site, tflc
#7 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 8:20 PM
I always thought it was that the last door placed was recognized as the front door. So when building if I placed the back patio door last that would be the door recognized as the front door. I've always known bout the interior/exterior door thing so I still have sims going to the back door at times which is why nowadays all my houses are built to the lot edge so most don't even have a backyard. So or is first placed door the lowest and it goes up from there?when you say lowest numbered door does that mean the last door placed is the lowest number? (OT but I just found out today about Widespot and I can't wait for the final version, a neighborhood from Peni with her delicious sim building concoctions? A dream come true)
Mad Poster
#8 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 9:07 PM
Last door placed has always worked for me, too - except when it hasn't. The interior door thing changed with different EPs, apparently, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the code changed more than once. It also wouldn't surprise me to find that we're missing one crucial piece of information which would make all the rest of it make sense.

(OT but thank youi for your interest. I meant to get Widespot submitted today, but ran into a kerfluffle trying to get it into the submission queue and my head is so bad I couldn't trust myself to understand all the directions, so I'll try again tomorrow and then it'll be up to the powers. I hope they'll host it here, as this is where it's most likely to find a receptive audience; but if not I'll change my sig to enable interested parties to get hold of it. I also hope I backed myself out of the submission queue properly, as I don't want to make a bad impression on the people in charge.)

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
(My simblr isSim Media Res . Widespot,Widespot RFD: The Subhood, and Land Grant University are all available here. In case you care.)
Needs Coffee
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#9 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 9:51 PM
I look forward to seeing it up. I kind of got sidetracked into writing an update on my legacy and figured you had a ton of play testers.

Not sure if this hack would help.
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/s...hp?topic=1483.0

"I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be questioned about their motives." - Unknown
~Call me Jo~
The Great AntiJen
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#10 Old 8th Jan 2013 at 10:51 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Peni Griffin
Last door placed has always worked for me, too - except when it hasn't. The interior door thing changed with different EPs, apparently, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the code changed more than once. It also wouldn't surprise me to find that we're missing one crucial piece of information which would make all the rest of it make sense.

I have a feeling that the reason Pescado's hack only works some of the time is because the issue isn't straightforward. I think he said so on that hack thread.

Edit:
The FOJ: "Yes, a door on a lower level will be preferentially chosen over any door on a higher level, by default, which results in wigginess with doors to garages that must be on the lowest level. Solutions for this are currently being contemplated."
It is an old thread though. I can't believe I remembered that accurately.

I no longer come over to MTS very often but if you would like to ask me a question then you can find me on tumblr or my own site tflc. TFLC has an archive of all my CC downloads.
I'm here on tumblr and my site, tflc
Theorist
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#11 Old 9th Jan 2013 at 11:23 AM
Peni... who's that she you're talking about?

Thanks guys for the answers! I also assumed that the problem was in having the garage door on the ground level, and the 'real' entry door on the foundation.

I'll try Pescado's front door hack. Thanks Mootilda and joandsarah!

(But still I don't understand... if you block access to the garage backdoor... can't Sims realize that they should look for some other door to deliver/ring?

Jonain päivänä mä toivon, että pääsen käymään Suomessa – ja heti perillä unohdan kaiken, mitä oon oppinut suomen kielestä, ja sanon vaan 'kahvia'.
DJ. who?
Mad Poster
#12 Old 9th Jan 2013 at 1:22 PM
We're talking about sims here. They only realize what the programming allows them to realize. And the entry coding isn't the same as the dishwashing coding.

In a female-majority venue, such as this one, "she" is the correct generic pronoun. If you want people to know you're male, use a definitively male user name.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
(My simblr isSim Media Res . Widespot,Widespot RFD: The Subhood, and Land Grant University are all available here. In case you care.)
Theorist
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#13 Old 11th Jan 2013 at 7:10 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Peni Griffin
If you want people to know you're male, use a definitively male user name.


Really? I thought that it was obvious DJ. stands for "Disc Jockey", or any other person who shouts "WWOOOO ARE YOU READY FOR MORE" in dance clubs, not for Donna Jo or another female name.

And that this venue has more female members, I agree. Previously, I though HP, maybesomethindunno, you (Peni), taytodemayto, whiterider were all guys. Boy was I wrong.

Jonain päivänä mä toivon, että pääsen käymään Suomessa – ja heti perillä unohdan kaiken, mitä oon oppinut suomen kielestä, ja sanon vaan 'kahvia'.
DJ. who?
Mad Poster
#14 Old 11th Jan 2013 at 7:18 PM
And Disc Jockey is a gender neutral term, so there you go.

I don't mind when people get confused about my gender, myself, or use either pronoun to refer to me, though since I know that P-e-n-i sounds like "Penny" it always surprises me a little. But, slap an S on there and it's as masculine a name as they come, so my surprise is unreasonable and I know it. The only people to whom my gender matters, already know.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
(My simblr isSim Media Res . Widespot,Widespot RFD: The Subhood, and Land Grant University are all available here. In case you care.)
Banned
#15 Old 11th Jan 2013 at 7:30 PM
Actually it's time for English to evolve a gender-neutral singular pronoun. Just start allowing "they" as standard. So what if it's plural - until a couple centuries back so was "you" ("thou" was the 2nd person singular.)

Yeah, I can't tell how many times I've just sold the backdoor to keep sims from using it. I've also already with attatched garages (most of mine are separate) not had a door to the rest of the house - I just teleport using a hack.
Needs Coffee
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#16 Old 11th Jan 2013 at 8:02 PM
Far as people's gender goes I always look at their profile, if no gender is given I use 'they', although I've still been wrong as some people have it set wrongly!

"I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be questioned about their motives." - Unknown
~Call me Jo~
Theorist
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#17 Old 12th Jan 2013 at 2:15 PM
Another interesting fact; we'll never know if Simsample's a she or a he.

Matt, is it like the prepare thyself Shakespeare used? I have a friend who constantly uses the term, even though we speak Croatian. "E, da, zaboravio sam reći - sutra imamo ispit. Prepare thyself." Took me a while to realize what did he write there. And yeah, continuing to write about English grammar and correct usage of gender nouns or whatever those might be, and yet thinking of should we call a plant a male or female in some rare cases when there's rain puddles on Mars because the futuristic Sims4 is glitchy, we're gonna get our posts removed cause it's kinda off topic. We're talking about the stupidity of Sims here.

*khm*SimsampleAreYouAGirlOrABoy*khm*

Jonain päivänä mä toivon, että pääsen käymään Suomessa – ja heti perillä unohdan kaiken, mitä oon oppinut suomen kielestä, ja sanon vaan 'kahvia'.
DJ. who?
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#18 Old 15th Jan 2013 at 6:46 PM
Quote: Originally posted by DJ.
Another interesting fact; we'll never know if Simsample's a she or a he.


*khm*SimsampleAreYouAGirlOrABoy*khm*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CGVgAYJyjk
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